View Full Version : Metric vs Imperial
Eroick
2006-10-13, 02:48 AM
Which do you prefer?
vuniw
2006-10-13, 02:49 AM
US has the imperial so i guess i should want that more but i wish we had metric so i prefer metric deffinitly, it makes more sense
monkeyman
2006-10-13, 03:16 AM
If there was a choice for "Whoever invented the Imperial system should be tortured to death" I'd vote for it. I just don't get it. There's no logic to it, all it is is memorization of conversions. Metric just works better. If you can multiply/divide by ten, you're set.
In school, we were taught Imperial until about 6th grade, and then forced to use metric for the rest of our education...what!?!?!?
So no...I really, REALLY, don't like the Imperial system
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 03:22 AM
Imperial is too confusing. I am better at Metric, obviously even though we dont use it that much here.
dudewithasock
2006-10-13, 03:41 AM
If there was a choice for "Whoever invented the Imperial system should be tortured to death" I'd vote for it. I just don't get it. There's no logic to it, all it is is memorization of conversions. Metric just works better. If you can multiply/divide by ten, you're set.
In school, we were taught Imperial until about 6th grade, and then forced to use metric for the rest of our education...what!?!?!?
So no...I really, REALLY, don't like the Imperial system
What he said
john_childs
2006-10-13, 04:02 AM
My car runs on the imperial system. As long as that is true, I can never get my mind to think metric.
Who buys gas by the liter?
How many kilometers is it to get from Bellevue to downtown Seattle?
Is 95 km/h too fast?
If I go on a 30 km Coker ride, how far did I go?
And don't even talk about metric temperature. I know what's comfortable in Fahrenheit. I have no idea what Celsius temperatures are.
JJtheunicycle
2006-10-13, 04:05 AM
My car runs on the imperial system. As long as that is true, I can never get my mind to think metric.
Who buys gas by the liter?
How many kilometers is it to get from Bellevue to downtown Seattle?
Is 95 km/h too fast?
If I go on a 30 km Coker ride, how far did I go?
And don't even talk about metric temperature. I know what's comfortable in Fahrenheit. I have no idea what Celsius temperatures are.
i think the temp is......take the Farientheit (sp?:p) multiply by 2.8 (or 1.8 i forgot) and add like 30ish, then you have the Celcius, but down here in montana, we use Celvin, it gets pretty cold here
forrestunifreak
2006-10-13, 04:33 AM
i think the temp is......take the Farientheit (sp?:p) multiply by 2.8 (or 1.8 i forgot) and add like 30ish, then you have the Celcius, but down here in montana, we use Celvin, it gets pretty cold here
It's Kelvin, and I bet you don't know what the tempeture range is right now in Kelvins.
Monocyclist
2006-10-13, 04:53 AM
I wouldn't really care if we used metric or Imperial, although Metric truly is better. I only say that because i'm used to imperial though. If I grew up using Metric the first time i'd see imperial i'd be thouroghly disgusted.
harper
2006-10-13, 05:03 AM
Polls are useless and annoying. (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53871) Their results are never posted. They are there for one of five reasons (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53755&highlight=post) except for the ones that involve units of measure.
UniBrier
2006-10-13, 05:33 AM
If I go on a 30 km Coker ride, how far did I go?You drove 45 miles to get to the ride then rode 30 km on the Coker. Assuming the Coker ride had the same start and end point you had a net gain of zero km. Assuming your drive was an out and back you had a net gain of zero miles. Nothin plus nothin is still nothin.
Metric certainly makes more sense but all these years of using the Imperial System has knocked the sense out of me. I do drive Metric in Canada.
dan de man
2006-10-13, 06:48 AM
I have no idea what Celsius temperatures are.
easy 0 degrees= freezing temp
,......100 boiling= easyer than
-30 = freezing or something like that
aslong as you have water you can create the celcius scale
john_childs
2006-10-13, 07:04 AM
easy 0 degrees= freezing temp
,......100 boiling
Yes, theoretically simple.
The problem is my brain does not think Celsius.
Is 35C getting too warm to ride?
If I know it is going to be 65F when I go for a ride I know exactly what to expect. I know exactly what I need to wear to be warm or cool enough. If someone told me it was going to be 35C I would have no clue if that is warm, warmer than comfortable, or too damn hot.
When I hear a Celsius temperature I have to find a conversion table to find out what it is in Fahrenheit, then I know what it is.
A measuring system is more than just numbers. It is also being able to visualize and know what those numbers represent in the real world. For that, I'm all imperial (except for a few metric measurements for bike parts).
wobbling bear
2006-10-13, 07:40 AM
A measuring system is more than just numbers. It is also being able to visualize and know what those numbers represent in the real world. For that, I'm all imperial (except for a few metric measurements for bike parts).
this feeling could be quickly overriden.
I underwent two monetary changes in France: one was from "old" Francs to "new" Francs and it took an awfull amount of time to think about prices in the new money (though it was just a division by 100!)
then later we switched to Euros (whith a strange rate) and to my great surprise the switch was quick!
edit: I hope that will reassure the brits ;-)
dan de man
2006-10-13, 10:21 AM
Yes, theoretically simple.
The problem is my brain does not think Celsius.
Is 35C getting too warm to ride?
If I know it is going to be 65F when I go for a ride I know exactly what to expect. I know exactly what I need to wear to be warm or cool enough. If someone told me it was going to be 35C I would have no clue if that is warm, warmer than comfortable, or too damn hot.
When I hear a Celsius temperature I have to find a conversion table to find out what it is in Fahrenheit, then I know what it is.
A measuring system is more than just numbers. It is also being able to visualize and know what those numbers represent in the real world. For that, I'm all imperial (except for a few metric measurements for bike parts).
I understand where your coming from its like your brain is hardwired to think fairein heit
and yes 35C is way to hot
(35C=95F) (http://mistupid.com/convert/index.htm)
maestro8
2006-10-13, 03:50 PM
While we're at it, let's throw out this "imperial-like" date and time system... 365 days in a year? Let's decide, either 100 or 1000. 60 minutes / hr? Make it 100. 24 hrs/day? Make it 10. The definition of a second is quite arbitrary, so we can stretch it to make this work.
BTW, I voted "I hate polls" even though I only have a strong disliking for them. It seems to be the case that no one can properly design a poll and I'm forced to click the lesser of all evils.
gkmac
2006-10-13, 05:03 PM
I had a brutal reminder of why I hate imperial just recently, after my Schlumpf test ride. I knocked up a spreadsheet to turn pedalling rpms into speed in mph. It would have been a heck of a lot easier if it was metric all the way, as I had to waste time working out how many inches there were in a mile.
Brian MacKenzie
2006-10-13, 05:03 PM
My car runs on the imperial system. As long as that is true, I can never get my mind to think metric.
Who buys gas by the liter?
How many kilometers is it to get from Bellevue to downtown Seattle?
Is 95 km/h too fast?
If I go on a 30 km Coker ride, how far did I go?
And don't even talk about metric temperature. I know what's comfortable in Fahrenheit. I have no idea what Celsius temperatures are.
1. Me
2. <yawn> Microsoft mappoint
3. Not on a 4 lane highway
4. 30 km
5. 05-20 celcius is nice.
Victory
2006-10-13, 05:46 PM
With temperature,volume, and long distances I use metric as Canada is now officially metric.
With my work though I got used to measuring things on a ruler or tape by the imperial system.
I think I would prefer metric as it makes sense.
mscalisi
2006-10-13, 05:47 PM
Easy. Metric.
Would you rather say "I just rode 62.13 miles" OR "I just rode 100 kilmeters"?
How about:
"My top speed is about 19MPH" vs. "I can hit 30KMH on my unicycle"?
edit: Not to mention other things that would be longer in metric.
UniBrier
2006-10-13, 05:54 PM
Not to mention other things that would be longer in metric.If things were really bigger/longer in metric, Texas (http://www.cafepress.com/texasspirit/212665) would have converted long ago.
Spudman
2006-10-13, 05:59 PM
I'm already familiar with inches, feet, and miles, so I voted for Imperial. The metric system is nice for doing scientific calculations, but the Imperial system is like 47.9 times cooler for everything else.
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 05:59 PM
1. Me
2. <yawn> Microsoft mappoint
3. Not on a 4 lane highway
4. 30 km
5. 05-20 celcius is nice.
nice:D
I wish we had metric here...
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 06:05 PM
Yes, theoretically simple.
The problem is my brain does not think Celsius.
Is 35C getting too warm to ride?
If I know it is going to be 65F when I go for a ride I know exactly what to expect. I know exactly what I need to wear to be warm or cool enough. If someone told me it was going to be 35C I would have no clue if that is warm, warmer than comfortable, or too damn hot.
When I hear a Celsius temperature I have to find a conversion table to find out what it is in Fahrenheit, then I know what it is.
A measuring system is more than just numbers. It is also being able to visualize and know what those numbers represent in the real world. For that, I'm all imperial (except for a few metric measurements for bike parts).
Simple.
Step outside and feel what the temp is then check what the number is on the thermometer.
Thats not too hard.
phlegm
2006-10-13, 06:46 PM
I don't have a Coker yet, but I try to keep up on my 73er... ;)
Mikefule
2006-10-13, 06:46 PM
The decimal system is great. Look, I've got 10 apples. I could share them between 2 people, or 5 people, or of course 10 people.
If I had 12 apples, I could share them equally between 2, 3, 4, 6 or of course 12 people. Only 2 more apples, but 67% more options.
Oh, hang on! So you can divide 12 into thirds, quarters, halves, or sixths. That's handy. You can only divide 10 into halves or fifths, and who uses fifths? So why do we use base 10?
Any system that uses a constant number base all the way through is going to be easier than one with different number bases, I agree. Decimal is a pretty bad choice, though. In day to day life, we sork in halves, quarters and sometimes thirds. How often do we work in fifths?
That is why the old imperial system often worked in units of 8, 12 or 16.
12 inches to the foot. Easily divisible several ways - and you can roughly measure an inch with the width of your thumb; or the length of a foot with, er... your foot.
12 pence to the shilling (as it used to be).
16 oz to the pound. That makes it easy to divide a pound of cooking ingredients into 16ths, 8ths, quarters, or halves. How do you slice a pie or a pizza? Not into tenths or fifths - try doing that by eye. Or fold a sheet of paper into fifths - go on, try it. Now try quarters or eigths.
The only reason we use base ten is because that is one easy way of counting with 10 fingers/thumbs. Binary would have been better. No more complicated, but you could count up to 1,023 just using your fingers and thumbs. (1 111 111 111 in binary)
The metric system is just as arbitrary as the imperial system, but it has two advantages:
It fits in with our system of counting which is arbitrarily based on 10.
It is internally consistent.
The imperial system was (is) arbitrary, but many of the units are useful, and most are easily divisible.
Even the mile: 1,560 yards. What's that all about? It divides into 2 x 880, or 4 x 440, or 8 x 220, or 16 x 110, and that makes more sense than 1,000 which only divides into 2 x 500 or 5 x 200.
gkmac
2006-10-13, 06:51 PM
Any system that uses a constant number base all the way through is going to be easier than one with different number bases, I agree.Yes I do agree, particular as it's easier to remember that it's 10, 100 or 1,000 in something. For instance...Even the mile: 1,560 yards....it's actually 1,760 yards. Did you make a mistake, or was this actually a "deliberate mistake" Mikefule puzzle?
Dude! I never thought of that! From now on I'll always use binary when counting on fingers. It's simpe and so much more powerful!
Thank you, Mikefule! :) :):D :D :D
Mikefule
2006-10-13, 07:01 PM
Yes I do agree, particular as it's easier to remember that it's 10, 100 or 1,000 in something. For instance......it's actually 1,760 yards. Did you make a mistake, or was this actually a "deliberate mistake" Mikefule puzzle?
Bad typing. :o It's been that sort of week. Every week since 1981.:( 880 x 2 = 1760, of course.
blackbike
2006-10-13, 08:50 PM
imperial and fareheit are the stupidest things ever.
with farhenheit water freezes at like 30 something and boils at like 200 and something.
with celcius it freezes at 0 and boils at 100
Mikefule
2006-10-13, 09:04 PM
imperial and fareheit are the stupidest things ever.
with farhenheit water freezes at like 30 something and boils at like 200 and something.
with celcius it freezes at 0 and boils at 100
You write as if the freezing point of water were:
Constant
Important
The freezing temperature of water varies with pressure and salinity. Pressure varies with altitude or depth. Salinity varies enormously. So, do you mean the freezing point of pure distilled water at exactly 1 Bar pressure? A Bar being an arbitrary unit approximating 1 atmosphere of pressure at sea level in average conditions.
And why should the freezing temperature of water be so important? Why not count all our temperatures from the melting point of carbon? Or take the simplest element, Hydrogen.
The only absolute in temperature is absolute zero, 0 degrees Kelvin. But above that, all units of measurement are arbitrary.
You might just as well say, "In Fahrenheit, 100 degress is very hot; in Celsius, very hot is, er... 30 something. So Fahrenheit is more sensible."
The important things about units is that they are a human construct, used to suit human purposes.
Here's an interesting clip from Wikipedia, showing that there was a purpose and plan to Fahrenheit's scale. He didn't understand the physics as modern physicists do, and made a sincere atttempt to start with ) degrees at the lowest point measureable:
<<There are several competing versions of the story of how Fahrenheit came to devise his temperature scale. One states that Fahrenheit established the zero (0 °F) and 100 °F points on his scale by recording the lowest outdoor temperatures he could measure, and his own body temperature. He took as his zero point the lowest temperature he measured in the harsh winter of 1708 through 1709 in his home town of Gdansk (Danzig) (−17.8 °C). (He was later able to reach this temperature under laboratory conditions using a mixture of ice, ammonium chloride and water.) Fahrenheit wanted to avoid the negative temperatures which Ole Rømer's scale had produced in everyday use. Fahrenheit fixed his own body temperature as 100 °F (normal body temperature is closer to 98.6 °F, suggesting that Fahrenheit was suffering a fever when he conducted his experiments, that his thermometer was inaccurate, or lastly it is believed that he used a cow's temperature instead of his own), and divided his original scale into twelve divisions; later dividing each of these into 8 equal subdivisions produced a scale of 96 degrees. Fahrenheit noted that his scale placed the freezing point of water at 32 °F and the boiling point at 212 °F, a neat 180 degrees apart.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 09:06 PM
I don't have a Coker yet, but I try to keep up on my 73er... ;)
sweet i only have a 50 though so id be left in the dust!
ThisGuyIKnow
2006-10-13, 09:13 PM
The decimal system is great. Look, I've got 10 apples. I could share them between 2 people, or 5 people, or of course 10 people.
Even the mile: 1,560 yards. What's that all about? It divides into 2 x 880, or 4 x 440, or 8 x 220, or 16 x 110, and that makes more sense than 1,000 which only divides into 2 x 500 or 5 x 200.
You missed some. Here is a better list.
2 x 500, 4 x 250, 5 x 200, 8 x 125
The imperial system relies heavily on fractions, which are much more difficult to add or subtract that decimals.
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 09:14 PM
You write as if the freezing point of water were:
Constant
Important
The freezing temperature of water varies with pressure and salinity. Pressure varies with altitude or depth. Salinity varies enormously. So, do you mean the freezing point of pure distilled water at exactly 1 Bar pressure? A Bar being an arbitrary unit approximating 1 atmosphere of pressure at sea level in average conditions.
And why should the freezing temperature of water be so important? Why not count all our temperatures from the melting point of carbon? Or take the simplest element, Hydrogen.
The only absolute in temperature is absolute zero, 0 degrees Kelvin. But above that, all units of measurement are arbitrary.
You might just as well say, "In Fahrenheit, 100 degress is very hot; in Celsius, very hot is, er... 30 something. So Fahrenheit is more sensible."
The important things about units is that they are a human construct, used to suit human purposes.
Here's an interesting clip from Wikipedia, showing that there was a purpose and plan to Fahrenheit's scale. He didn't understand the physics as modern physicists do, and made a sincere atttempt to start with ) degrees at the lowest point measureable:
<<There are several competing versions of the story of how Fahrenheit came to devise his temperature scale. One states that Fahrenheit established the zero (0 °F) and 100 °F points on his scale by recording the lowest outdoor temperatures he could measure, and his own body temperature. He took as his zero point the lowest temperature he measured in the harsh winter of 1708 through 1709 in his home town of Gdansk (Danzig) (?17.8 °C). (He was later able to reach this temperature under laboratory conditions using a mixture of ice, ammonium chloride and water.) Fahrenheit wanted to avoid the negative temperatures which Ole Rømer's scale had produced in everyday use. Fahrenheit fixed his own body temperature as 100 °F (normal body temperature is closer to 98.6 °F, suggesting that Fahrenheit was suffering a fever when he conducted his experiments, that his thermometer was inaccurate, or lastly it is believed that he used a cow's temperature instead of his own), and divided his original scale into twelve divisions; later dividing each of these into 8 equal subdivisions produced a scale of 96 degrees. Fahrenheit noted that his scale placed the freezing point of water at 32 °F and the boiling point at 212 °F, a neat 180 degrees apart.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit
yeah but farenheight is hard to spell:p so ha. and also its better to use celcius because if you want to do an experiment what is the absolute zero in Farehnheight? i know that it is 273.15 in celcius or you can just use 0 K which is based on degrees C. So celcius works better for science so use it if you want to be smart.
forrestunifreak
2006-10-13, 09:21 PM
Yes, theoretically simple.
The problem is my brain does not think Celsius.
Is 35C getting too warm to ride?
If I know it is going to be 65F when I go for a ride I know exactly what to expect. I know exactly what I need to wear to be warm or cool enough. If someone told me it was going to be 35C I would have no clue if that is warm, warmer than comfortable, or too damn hot.
When I hear a Celsius temperature I have to find a conversion table to find out what it is in Fahrenheit, then I know what it is.
A measuring system is more than just numbers. It is also being able to visualize and know what those numbers represent in the real world. For that, I'm all imperial (except for a few metric measurements for bike parts).
Yeah, Celsius tempeture doesn' make sense like that. Zero degree's C sounds cold, but it's really still shorts-and-t-shirt weather! With fahrenheit, the numbers actually make sense. ZeroF is pretty cold, 100 is about as hot as you want to be in, and halfway in between is perfect for riding in.
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 09:26 PM
The decimal system is great. Look, I've got 10 apples. I could share them between 2 people, or 5 people, or of course 10 people.
If I had 12 apples, I could share them equally between 2, 3, 4, 6 or of course 12 people. Only 2 more apples, but 67% more options.
Oh, hang on! So you can divide 12 into thirds, quarters, halves, or sixths. That's handy. You can only divide 10 into halves or fifths, and who uses fifths? So why do we use base 10?
Any system that uses a constant number base all the way through is going to be easier than one with different number bases, I agree. Decimal is a pretty bad choice, though. In day to day life, we sork in halves, quarters and sometimes thirds. How often do we work in fifths?
That is why the old imperial system often worked in units of 8, 12 or 16.
12 inches to the foot. Easily divisible several ways - and you can roughly measure an inch with the width of your thumb; or the length of a foot with, er... your foot.
12 pence to the shilling (as it used to be).
16 oz to the pound. That makes it easy to divide a pound of cooking ingredients into 16ths, 8ths, quarters, or halves. How do you slice a pie or a pizza? Not into tenths or fifths - try doing that by eye. Or fold a sheet of paper into fifths - go on, try it. Now try quarters or eigths.
The only reason we use base ten is because that is one easy way of counting with 10 fingers/thumbs. Binary would have been better. No more complicated, but you could count up to 1,023 just using your fingers and thumbs. (1 111 111 111 in binary)
The metric system is just as arbitrary as the imperial system, but it has two advantages:
It fits in with our system of counting which is arbitrarily based on 10.
It is internally consistent.
The imperial system was (is) arbitrary, but many of the units are useful, and most are easily divisible.
Even the mile: 1,560 yards. What's that all about? It divides into 2 x 880, or 4 x 440, or 8 x 220, or 16 x 110, and that makes more sense than 1,000 which only divides into 2 x 500 or 5 x 200.
good point about dividing by 8 but you can use a pizza that is 16 cm around to get 8 even pieces. If your point is right how easily is it to divide one foot( 12 in) into 8ths? not to easy... it gives you a fraction, 3/2. if you say that you can now use fractions that voids your earlier points so i think you loose either way no matter how small a victory it is for me your way is not perfect.
Mikefule
2006-10-13, 09:27 PM
You missed some. Here is a better list.
2 x 500, 4 x 250, 5 x 200, 8 x 125
The imperial system relies heavily on fractions, which are much more difficult to add or subtract that decimals.
Fair point. I carried over my valid argument from 10 and 100, and applied it to 1000 without thinking it through.
1/4 + 3/4 = 4/4 = 1/1
2/3 - 1/ 3 = 1/3
In what sense is that difficult?:p
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 09:29 PM
Yeah, Celsius tempeture doesn' make sense like that. Zero degree's C sounds cold, but it's really still shorts-and-t-shirt weather! With fahrenheit, the numbers actually make sense. ZeroF is pretty cold, 100 is about as hot as you want to be in, and halfway in between is perfect for riding in.
I wouldnt wear a tee shirt when it was freezing outside unless im doing some extreme riding. 0 F is something i would not want to be in and is not just pretty cold!
forrestunifreak
2006-10-13, 09:30 PM
I wouldnt wear a tee shirt when it was freezing outside unless im doing some extreme riding. 0 F is something i would not want to be in and is not just pretty cold!
Aw, you pansy, I've unicycled in -35F before. :) :pyeah and it sucks.
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 09:32 PM
Fair point. I carried over my valid argument from 10 and 100, and applied it to 1000 without thinking it through.
1/4 + 3/4 = 4/4 = 1/1
2/3 - 1/ 3 = 1/3
In what sense is that difficult?:p
In a mathmatical sense
timbob1907
2006-10-13, 09:32 PM
Aw, you pansy, I've unicycled in -35F before. :) :pyeah and it sucks.
okay but your used to it.
ThisGuyIKnow
2006-10-13, 09:41 PM
Fair point. I carried over my valid argument from 10 and 100, and applied it to 1000 without thinking it through.
1/4 + 3/4 = 4/4 = 1/1
2/3 - 1/ 3 = 1/3
In what sense is that difficult?:p
How about 3/16 + 1/2 or 5/8 - 1/32?
I certianly know how to do this sort of problem but it's a bit trickier than it would be with metric measurements.
Brian MacKenzie
2006-10-13, 09:44 PM
I think the most complicated thing when I go to the states is that they only have 60 minutes in an hour, not 100. It drives me up the frikkin wall
phlegm
2006-10-13, 09:50 PM
I think the most complicated thing when I go to the states is that they only have 60 minutes in an hour, not 100. It drives me up the frikkin wall
Yeah, but down here a baker's dozen is 13, not 11. Don't you prefer 13 donuts to 11? ;)
bcwheelriderguyhehehehehe
2006-10-13, 09:50 PM
I don't understad metric. Everyone is all like "It's just multiples of ten" but It drivees me crazy. 12" in a foot, 16 ounces in a pound, an inch is divided into eigths. Simple.:cool:
ThisGuyIKnow
2006-10-13, 09:53 PM
I don't understad metric. Everyone is all like "It's just multiples of ten" but It drivees me crazy. 12" in a foot, 16 ounces in a pound, an inch is divided into eigths. Simple.:cool:
That's just because you're blockheaded. Metric is no more difficult ot understand than the imperial system, it's just that you're used to the imperial system and stubborn to the idea of other systems.
Mikefule
2006-10-13, 09:54 PM
good point about dividing by 8 but you can use a pizza that is 16 cm around to get 8 even pieces. If your point is right how easily is it to divide one foot( 12 in) into 8ths? not to easy...
Obviously, all these numbers are a compromise. If we used a prime number (say, base 11) then we'd be really stuffed. (OK, so binary is based on a prime number, but that's an exception.)
If we used 60, we could divide by:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30 (I may have missed som,e it's late) but 60, although hugely versatile, would be unwieldy as a number to use in your head. That doesn't stop us from using it in seconds and minutes, though.
To divide a foot into eigths, take a quarter of 12 (3) and halve that. These old systems were not based on 8, 12 16 and so on because people loved complicated sums, but because in every day life, they needed numbers and sizes that were easy to work with by eye or experience. The size of the pizza is immaterial. It could be 31.7 cm round. You could still easily divided it into quarters, then halve the quarters, then halve the eighths, all by eye.
The Imperial system is not better than the decimal system, because it is too complex, with different number bases at different levels, and little consistency between linear, area and volume measurements. However, the decimal system is far from perfect. If our entire counting system were based on 12, and we were used to using base 12 instead of base 10, we would all be better off. Trouble is, it's too late to change.
Note that computer people use hexadecimal - they work in 16s.
Brian MacKenzie
2006-10-13, 10:06 PM
Yeah, but down here a baker's dozen is 13, not 11. Don't you prefer 13 donuts to 11? ;)
I think we just discovered the obesity problem in the USA :)
bcwheelriderguyhehehehehe
2006-10-13, 10:10 PM
That's just because you're blockheaded.
Yeah I suppose:o I can just remember stuff better that way. Because thousands, hundreds, tens all the same with more zeros. More zero's=More confusion (for me).:D
john_childs
2006-10-14, 12:25 AM
I think we just discovered the obesity problem in the USA :)
Obviously it's because everyone in the USA is addicted to Tim Hortons.
forrestunifreak
2006-10-14, 12:30 AM
I think the most complicated thing when I go to the states is that they only have 60 minutes in an hour, not 100. It drives me up the frikkin wall
Ha, I didn't know they used 100 minutes in an hour. then an 8 hour work day is longer? :D
spazdude222
2006-10-14, 12:40 AM
I don't understad metric. Everyone is all like "It's just multiples of ten" but It drivees me crazy. 12" in a foot, 16 ounces in a pound, an inch is divided into eigths. Simple.:cool:
how about mass? do you know what a slug is? or a stone? do you know how to convert from slugs to pounds? i know how to convert from kilograms to newtons...metric is superior in pretty much every way
p.s. weight and mass are way different, and slugs and stones are the imperial units for mass, just as kilograms and grams are the units for metric mass.
spazdude222
2006-10-14, 12:44 AM
I think we just discovered the obesity problem in the USA :)
lol yeah...but a bakers dozen is 13...not 11...the whole point to them was that in the middle ages, some wiseguy bakers thought "hey, if i make my rolls smaller, i can sell a dozen, for the same price with less dough used." Long story short, the king (or somebody in power...lol) found out and decreed that rolls be sold by wieght, and a "set" of a dozen rolls found to be under weight ment bad news for the baker...like, death-type bad news...so they'd throw in an extra roll just to be sure their bread would meet the requirement...thus we have a baker's dozen of 13
monkeyman
2006-10-14, 12:48 AM
i know how to convert from kilograms to newtons...
While you're at it, convert 3 grams to density. :p
spazdude222
2006-10-14, 01:13 AM
While you're at it, convert 3 grams to density. :p
ok yes, i suck at physics, it is a calculation, not a conversion, i realize that, my bad...but still metric is way easier, and i grew up with imperial
monkeyman
2006-10-14, 01:21 AM
but still metric is way easier, and i grew up with imperial
No argument there...
I think a good agreement to this is that, based on Mikefule's argument, Imperial seems to be more useful for everyday judgements...however, in working with physics/other stuff that requires units and conversions, I think the metric system is superior.
Brian MacKenzie
2006-10-14, 01:41 AM
Ha, I didn't know they used 100 minutes in an hour. then an 8 hour work day is longer? :D
It equals out after 8 hours, once you understand the metric system
UniBrier
2006-10-14, 01:55 AM
I found http://www.homebasics.ca/article_images/2753-20606970.jpg margarine (http://www.imperialmargarine.ca/)but I can't find any metric margarine.
Can places that have gone metric still find "Taste fit for a King"?
monkeyman
2006-10-14, 02:05 AM
Best. Pun. Ever.
PopeSamXVI
2006-10-14, 02:10 AM
I don't know. I like weighing 6 quarters 7 pounds (half a stone).
Eroick
2006-10-14, 03:39 AM
I found http://www.homebasics.ca/article_images/2753-20606970.jpg margarine (http://www.imperialmargarine.ca/)but I can't find any metric margarine.
Can places that have gone metric still find "Taste fit for a King"?
Afreakingmazing.
I laughed for like ten minutes.
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