Which nation has the least to be ashamed of?

[BillyTheMountain]

Not that the USA and other nations haven't done lots of things to be proud of. We're just focusing on all the stuff they are ashamed of, and that excludes them from this election.

I think Canada is up there along side Burkina Faso, but they could have some skeleton in their closet I don't know about.

What do you think?

[DK]

Vanuatu?

[dudewithasock]

No country has nothing to be ashamed of, some are just better at hiding their faults.

[vuniw]

i agree with canada..

[burjzyntski]

Canada, or Atlantis.

Mu is up there, too.

[ntappin]

Canada has alot of major human rights violations under their belts aswell, I'm thinking along the lines of gathering up all the japanese (and mistaking alot of chinese and other asians for japanese) and putting them in camps, taking all their posessions and holding them against their will. Not to mention all the crap we have put the natives through (which they are now completely taking advantage of in my mind). We act pretty nicely now but we still aren't perfect and our recent past is pretty bad. I can't really think of any country that is good but I don't know enough about history. What about Greenland? I know nothing of them but maybe that is a good thing.

[James_Potter]

Antarctica...or Neverland

[zfreak220]

yea, neverland doesn't have anything to hide.....

[dudewithasock]

Neverland

I beg to differ.

http://www.usmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/55910071jacknland.jpg

[ntappin]

Antarctica...or Neverland

Isn't Antarctica like part of the United states or something? or is it internationaly owned?

[abbabibble]

dudewithasock's right about that one.
and when he's right, he's RIGHT.


I vote australia.

[unisteve]

What about Switzerland? I always thought they were pretty neutral...

I shall wikipedia it.

EDIT: Wikipedia told me that the Swiss helped the Nazis launder the money they stole from the Jews in WWII. :( However, "these actions have resulted in latter-day efforts at restitution to the victims of Nazi Germany and/or their heirs"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland

[abbabibble]

yeah... switzplace.
and they've got good chocolate.

[abbabibble]

free, politically neutral, and full o' chocolate.
that's the way to live.

[burjzyntski]

ooh ooh pick me pick me!


..Amsterdam?

[onelesscar]

you would think that. :p

some conservatives would think otherwise.

"coffee shops"

[jaco42]

Yikes Switzerland is the worst country to say that about. During WWII they took most of the money taken from the Jews and after the war refused to give it back, and this is one of the reasons they are one of the few countries not in debt. They sat back during WWII and played banker.

[Borges]

ELLEORE! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elleore)

[one wheely]

the actual contry of vatican city hasn't done wrong

[iridemymuni]

how are you gunna explain that one to jesus?




jks

[tomtrevor]

i vote Australia! mainly because i live there (here)

[max_pfeifer]

i vote Australia! mainly because i live there (here)

what he said :p

[edsbelly]

i vote Australia! mainly because i live there (here)

what he said :p

What they said.

Also, we have Frankston, THERE IS NO WAY TO BE ASHAMED WHEN YOU HAVE FRANKSTON (inside joke)

Ed

[BillyTheMountain]

the actual contry of vatican city hasn't done wrong

Maybe not. But google suggests otherwise.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4263426.stm

The Vatican is helping Croatia's most wanted war crimes suspect evade capture, a top UN prosecutor alleges.

http://www.remnantofgod.org/ustashe.htm

Vatican Bank Refuses to Release Stolen Roma Gold, April 1, 2006

Vatican Bank Lawsuit Progressing, February 23, 2006

Lawsuit to be Amended, Janauary 13, 2006

The Vatican Threat Against the Serbian State, Belgrade August 27, 2005

Vatican Dealt Another Legal Setback in Holocaust Claims Lawsuit, June 14, 2005

Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Reinstates Lawsuit Against Vatican Bank, Details and Link to Court Decision, April 18, 2005

[iridemymuni]

well they could be doing a lot worse i suppose

[tomtrevor]

quite.

[cosmic_dave]

What about that guy who made his appartment a seperate country in Britian?

[s7ev0]

I love Australia. Lived there for a year. Generally it fares well in terms of Human Rights, etc.

However -

Institutional racism against aborigines (including a disproportionately high rate of aboriginal deaths in custody)?
Indefinite detention of fefugee asylum seekers (against Human Rights legislation)?

No country is lily-white.

[ian.stockwell]

How about New Zealand, not that I know much about it, but nobody's suggested it yet.

[BluntRM]

The autonomous regions of Mexico; Chiapas, the Zapatista controlled territory? I love a good literacy rate...

For an industrialized nation I like Canada, but as an active NATO member they share in an aggressive foriegn policy; domestic policies are at least by regional comparison tolerable, but I've never lived there, people tell me it's nice.

The anarchists say "Smash the State!" and when asked why: "A tree that has been fashioned into a club can not be expected to sprout leaves" (Buber). So what good is a state mechanism if it is only the "monopoly of force". But once you come to what is necessary, "material force must be met with material force"(Marx (http://www.marxists.org/)). Assuming state power is only the first act of disassembling the hierarchy that creates human rights abuses; "Poverty is the largest industry in the world"(Leah), and it's unreasonable to think that the old guard will change what it has perpetuated for so long.:)

[aleksi.palola]

What about Greenland?
Well Greenland is actually part of Denmark.

And I think Sweden hasn´t much of to be ashamed of, but since I´m finnish I "have to" dislike Sweden I vote for Finland ;)

[BluntRM]

What is the improper use of state power? Any state is a rationalization so it just seems like listing Tibet or Austrailia is really just in slight perspective. Throw out a modifier, and you have a pseudo-empiracle discussion. Now you can argue agreed points of ashamedness. Systemic hunger, poverty, corruption, violent foriegn policy, violent domestic policy: what comes to mind first?

[BillyTheMountain]

How about New Zealand, not that I know much about it, but nobody's suggested it yet.

You may be onto something there. I know people from NZ are offended if you mistake them for the "shameful" aussies, just like Canadians are offended if mistaken for Americans.

NZ is nuclear free.

[BillyTheMountain]

What is the improper use of state power? Any state is a rationalization so it just seems like listing Tibet or Austrailia is really just in slight perspective. Throw out a modifier, and you have a pseudo-empiracle discussion. Now you can argue agreed points of ashamedness. Systemic hunger, poverty, corruption, violent foriegn policy, violent domestic policy: what comes to mind first?

All good points. Want to make a rating scale of shameful government deeds?

And which of these you list do Canada or NZ impose on their own or others?

[bugman]

All good points. Want to make a rating scale of shameful government deeds?

And which of these you list do Canada or NZ impose on their own or others?

Looking for a place to move Billy? I am sure wherever you go there will be a Walmart.

[kristine]

Canada.

Canada.

Canada.

[Unitik908]

im gonna go with vatican city

Chase

[skrobo]

I beg to differ.

http://www.usmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/55910071jacknland.jpg
BURN!!
I think its dijabouti, because it has a funny name
dijabouti turn red?
not sure about the spelling

[skrobo]

or the US,

yeah we mess up sometimes, but hey, doesn't everyone
get up and get on w/ it
the past is the past
everyone knows what the US does wrong, why be ashamed of it??

[forrestunifreak]

I have a feeling that what Billythemountain thinks the US "should be ashamed of" is quite different from what I would say.

[JJuggle]

NZ is nuclear free.
But not Echelon free.

[JJuggle]

Systemic hunger, poverty, corruption, violent foriegn policy, violent domestic policy: what comes to mind first?
Indonesia.

[MuniAddict]

I'm damn PROUD to be an American, the greatest nation on ______'s (insert diety of choice, or none if athiest) green earth! And if I were from a different country, I'd probably say the same of that homeland as well. :D Everyone should have some sense of pride, in themselves, and their heritage, even though people can't chooses who, what, when or where they will be born. The most successful individuals don't wait for opportunities; they create them. It's very easy to blame others, or even an entire country, but in the end we must take responsibilty for our OWN actions, and not be "victi-crats." And whether you want to believe it or not, there is no doubt that MANY countries in the world that claim to hate us are just plain resentful and jealous of Amercia for our free, democratic way of life, and wealth of opportunities for all! Toot toot! Yay! There's my 4 pesos.:cool: Blah, blah, blah. Yada yada yada.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

And whether you want to believe it or not, there is no doubt that MANY countries in the world that claim to hate us are just plain resentful and jealous of Amercia for our free, democratic way of life, and wealth of opportunities for all! Toot toot! Yay! There's my 4 pesos.:cool: Blah, blah, blah. Yada yada yada.

To assume other people would be jealous of you is not pride it's pompousness, which I am willing to admit IS the reason that other countries resent us. Internationally speaking the US is a big pompous jerk.

[jake_amos]

i'm gonna have to say australia

all i know is that England might have the most to be ashamed of perhaps?

Isn't Antarctica like part of the United states or something? or is it internationaly owned?

antarctica is internationally owned but it is mostly australian and american but mostly australian

[jake_amos]

You may be onto something there. I know people from NZ are offended if you mistake them for the "shameful" aussies, just like Canadians are offended if mistaken for Americans.

NZ is nuclear free.

yeh but new zealand get it the worst

Like this humourous anicdote " New Zealand has found a new use for sheep... WOOL"

[JJuggle]

Like this humourous anicdote " New Zealand has found a new use for sheep... WOOL"
That's actually more of a quip than an anecdote.

[BillyTheMountain]

I have a feeling that what Billythemountain thinks the US "should be ashamed of" is quite different from what I would say.

You go first.

[sparrowhawk]

no-one has mentioned Ireland yet!!

[Brian MacKenzie]

Petoria?

edit: No, turns out they annexed Joe Swanson's pool

[bugman]

Galt's Gulch.

[MuniAddict]

To assume other people would be jealous of you is not pride it's pompousness, which I am willing to admit IS the reason that other countries resent us. Internationally speaking the US is a big pompous jerk.I'm sorry you feel that way about your country. And it's not an "assumption", it's a fact.

[MuniAddict]

Just to clarify, I am speaking mostly of N. Korea, China, Syria, Iran and anywhere else where people "live" under a dictator's thumb and are robbed of their freedom. These self-appointed Thug Rulers HATE America's, Israel's, Britain's, Canada's (and many others) free and democratic society, and because it THREATENS their power to see the US trying to spread democracy throughout the world. It is EVERYONE'S fundemental human right to be FREE, and it is a noble endevor to try to promote that ideal. If the activists who protest in the USA (and have every right to do so!) tried that in the above countries, they would likely be executed or at least imprisoned for life! I don't hear ThisGuyKnow complaining about that; he seems only to find fault with America, which is far from perfect I grant you that. Some people say "Love it or leave it". I say if you really don't like the way things are, VOTE for change. God forbid, If Hillary every becomes president, Jeff will magically stop complaining and everything will be fine & dandy again.:D

[johnfoss]

the past is the past
everyone knows what the US does wrong, why be ashamed of it??
Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it. The mistakes, that is. Forget where you've been and you'll eventually end up there again. The more and better we remember our mistakes or shameful acts, the better-equipped we are to rise above them in the future.

Your suggestion is to not be ashamed of what we did, or do wrong. Does that include anything? You're writing a blank check there.

As for least ashamed, I was thinking Switzerland after visiting, but then I read (very little) about the WWII money stuff. So no vote. As a general rule though, it seems that the smaller your country is, and the less wars it's been involved in, the less bad stuff it's likely to be known for. Vatican City? Easy. Unless you count the Crusades...

The United States is very big. It was created by "stealing" the land from native peoples, partly through genocide, and by wars with other interlopers. Some of that genocide was still going on as late as 100 years ago. Read Teddy Roosevelt's quotes on how he gave kudos to the exterminators. Now much of the same may be true for most countries, but since ours is newer it has less of a "that was then" excuse. We allowed humans to be bought and sold as property. We interred our own citizens based on race without due process. We can rise above these things and stop being ashamed, but we dare not pretend they never happened.

[johnfoss]

I know we're off-topic here. You for not playing along with the topic, and me for responding...

And if I were from a different country, I'd probably say the same of that homeland as well. :D Everyone should have some sense of pride, in themselves, and their heritage, even though people can't chooses who, what, when or where they will be born.
I agree, but that's not what this thread is about. It was started by BillyTheMountain, so that should tell you enough. But being proud of where you're from applies to everyone, even if they're from Iran or North Korea. Being proud of your home should not be confused with nationalism either. I can be proud of my hometown, my state and my country without being proud of their politics. There's always plenty to be proud of.

And whether you want to believe it or not, there is no doubt that MANY countries in the world that claim to hate us are just plain resentful and jealous of Amercia for our free, democratic way of life, and wealth of opportunities for all!
I know what you're trying to say, but the above quote is off the mark. Totalitarian-type states are not jealous or resentful. They are ego-driven and often meglomaniacal. Actually, I'm not a Psychologist, so there may be some of those feelings in there, but generally if a bad leader wants a free society, it's easy enough for him to copy one of the ones out there and allow people to get rich. But usually they want to focus the nation's riches on themselves.

*The people* in those down-trodden nations may be resentful, jealous or hateful. More ambitious ones may just figure out ways to sneak over here, in ragtag rafts or shipping containers, to live the American dream. We can be certainly proud of that part, the popularity, if we can get a handle on how to bring these people in while avoiding our current immigration problems.

A lot of Americans make lots of pompous noises as well. Sharing your opinion is fine of course, but when it's coming from someone who's never been more than a mile or two over the Mexican or Canadian borders, it's likely an uninformed opinion. It helps a lot to step outside your country and look back. One might even say that you can't fully understand your home until you've lived outside of it for a while.

You can learn a lot by visiting other countries. Like the fact that democracy wasn't invented here, and lots of other countries have governments by the people; some arguably better than ours. You can see how people live, what they think about life in general, whether or not they feel "free."

Thanks for not being one of those "love it or leave it" persons. Love it and *cherish* it. Work for a better home.

[ThisGuyIKnow]

Just to clarify, I am speaking mostly of N. Korea, China, Syria, Iran and anywhere else where people "live" under a dictator's thumb and are robbed of their freedom. These self-appointed Thug Rulers HATE America's, Israel's, Britain's, Canada's (and many others) free and democratic society, and because it THREATENS their power to see the US trying to spread democracy throughout the world. It is EVERYONE'S fundemental human right to be FREE, and it is a noble endevor to try to promote that ideal. If the activists who protest in the USA (and have every right to do so!) tried that in the above countries, they would likely be executed or at least imprisoned for life! I don't hear ThisGuyKnow complaining about that; he seems only to find fault with America, which is far from perfect I grant you that. Some people say "Love it or leave it". I say if you really don't like the way things are, VOTE for change. God forbid, If Hillary every becomes president, Jeff will magically stop complaining and everything will be fine & dandy again.:D

You seem to still bitch about democrats even though they aren't in power. Why should democrats stop bitching about Republican actions and mindsets when they are no longer in power.

It's not our place to tell other countries what they can and can't do. I am also not going to argue that democracy and freedom are the best system. They are not for everyone. Afterall some people like to be told what to think and how to act. It is a pompous and arrogant to assume that our value system is in any way fundamentally superior to all other systems. If the people of a nation are no longer willing to tolerate their government they will overthrow it. As long as other countries don't try to step in, such as the United States involvment in so many other countries, there will be eventually be revolution and things will work out. I still stand by my belief that Iraq was on the verge of a revolution from within. Many of the insurgents fighting our troops today were the same people trying to overthrow Sadaam. They wanted him out, we've come in and replaced him, so they want us out. It makes sense to me. They have pride in their country so they are fighting back against an invading force. No one wants other people's values forced upon them, so how is it any less worse for the United States to do this to them, than their own leaders?

If we want to promote our ideals we should do so with examples not by force. In the meantime we need change our foreign policy to let other countries decide for themselves what they want to do instead of trying to force things on them. Many of the world's dictators are in power because the United States put them there against the will of that countries people.

[BluntRM]

"The Authoratarian Personality" by Theodore Adorno and Erich Fromm's "The Anatomy of Human Destructivness" and "Escape from Freedom" are entirely interesting books with regards to totalitarianism in psycho-analytic Freudian thought... (Fromm is the better writer however).:D

[fexnix]

Well Greenland is actually part of Denmark.

And I think Sweden hasn´t much of to be ashamed of, but since I´m finnish I "have to" dislike Sweden I vote for Finland ;)

Us Swedes did let the nazis use our railroads to get to norway. That is something to be ashamed of...

[MuniAddict]

You seem to still bitch about democrats even though they aren't in power. Why should democrats stop bitching about Republican actions and mindsets when they are no longer in power.

It's not our place to tell other countries what they can and can't do. I am also not going to argue that democracy and freedom are the best system. They are not for everyone. Afterall some people like to be told what to think and how to act. It is a pompous and arrogant to assume that our value system is in any way fundamentally superior to all other systems. If the people of a nation are no longer willing to tolerate their government they will overthrow it. As long as other countries don't try to step in, such as the United States involvment in so many other countries, there will be eventually be revolution and things will work out. I still stand by my belief that Iraq was on the verge of a revolution from within. Many of the insurgents fighting our troops today were the same people trying to overthrow Sadaam. They wanted him out, we've come in and replaced him, so they want us out. It makes sense to me. They have pride in their country so they are fighting back against an invading force. No one wants other people's values forced upon them, so how is it any less worse for the United States to do this to them, than their own leaders?

If we want to promote our ideals we should do so with examples not by force. In the meantime we need change our foreign policy to let other countries decide for themselves what they want to do instead of trying to force things on them. Many of the world's dictators are in power because the United States put them there against the will of that countries people.

Iraqi people came out to vote in SUCCESSFUL elcetionS amid death threats and violence, and they came to vote in DROVES! Far in excess of the our national voter turn out! That's democracy, NOT "force". And they drafted their *own* constitution, not ours. AHve we "stolen" their oil? No. It belongs to them, but I wouldn't have a problem with letting some of it pay for the rebuilding of their country. (This idea has been bandied about onboth sides of the aisle). And the Dems will do ANYTHING they can to block, derail and stifle ANYTHING the republicans try to do, and yes, the reverse is true as well. That's why I'm an independant. Both major parties are regularly bought off by special interests and it makes me sick!:eek:

[ThisGuyIKnow]

Iraqi people came out to vote in SUCCESSFUL elcetionS amid death threats and violence, and they came to vote in DROVES! Far in excess of the our national voter turn out! That's democracy, NOT "force". And they drafted their *own* constitution, not ours. AHve we "stolen" their oil? No. It belongs to them, but I wouldn't have a problem with letting some of it pay for the rebuilding of their country. (This idea has been bandied about onboth sides of the aisle). And the Dems will do ANYTHING they can to block, derail and stifle ANYTHING the republicans try to do, and yes, the reverse is true as well. That's why I'm an independant. Both major parties are regularly bought off by special interests and it makes me sick!:eek:

And this consitution they have drafted and the leaders they have elected have caused brought about a civil war based on religious difference that were co-existing relatively peacefully before we came in and shook things up.

Also we aren't in Iraq to take their oil. We're there to stop them from selling it in order to maintin control of the market. One of the things that brought about this war in the first place was the threats to switch the oil market over to the Euro instead of the dollar.

I am also not a big fan of the way that interest groups with money are able to control both sides of the government. This is why I am for public campaign financing. If both candidates recieve the same amount of money from the same source and aren't allowed to take money from anyone else it puts the legislative decisions in the hands of the voters not in those of the donors. It would cost some tax payer money but save money in the long run by cutting back on the government hand outs to corporations.

[MuniAddict]

And this consitution they have drafted and the leaders they have elected have caused brought about a civil war based on religious difference that were co-existing relatively peacefully before we came in and shook things up.

Also we aren't in Iraq to take their oil. We're there to stop them from selling it in order to maintin control of the market. One of the things that brought about this war in the first place was the threats to switch the oil market over to the Euro instead of the dollar.

I am also not a big fan of the way that interest groups with money are able to control both sides of the government. This is why I am for public campaign financing. If both candidates recieve the same amount of money from the same source and aren't allowed to take money from anyone else it puts the legislative decisions in the hands of the voters not in those of the donors. It would cost some tax payer money but save money in the long run by cutting back on the government hand outs to corporations.I'm with you on the last part!:D

[BillyTheMountain]

You guys are getting OFF-TOPIC!!

This is NOT the Iraq debate thread.

LOts of good posts, though!

[leo]

..Amsterdam?
That's a city. Not a country.
It's part of the Netherlands, who ripped Indonesia, Surinam, and still The Netherlands Antilles, before the left the country alone with no decent government.
Besides that the Queen ownes 80% of Shell that supported the Apartheid system in Zuid-Afrika (http://www.shellfacts.com/chp01.html).
Or more recent; they handed over political prisonners to the US in Afganistan, without know what their destignation (quantanomo bay?) would be, or what else would happen to them.
Not to mention how bad they did in Screbenica (after the US did'nt pass intelligence they already had).
Or what about supplineg chemical weapons to Saddam (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4358741.stm)?
Or the stuff that Stork-Fokker an Philips recently suplied to the US weapon industry.
So anyway, I think other countries better deserve a nomination.

Save choise would be a small isle like Sao Tomea, or Micronesia, or Sealand (a squated rig),
My choise is Finland, as it give home to a lot of serious political refugees.
Sure they will have stuff to be ashamed of, but more to be proud of.
Was finland also that country where the yellow-jew-star did'nt work in ww2, because the entire country was wearing it (after a king or so gaved the example to do so).


Vatican City?
Played a dirty role in WW2 as well.
And more recent by banning condoms.
But if it comes to ab/using violence and aggression, it would be a save choise.
That is is, if you consider they were'nt the ones who blew up Ireland with the conflicts with the IRA. Or other conflicts that had the catholic religion involved.

Antarctica...or Neverland
I had the same impulse when reading "Neverland"...
Though I had a better picture in stock.

[harper]

Galt's Gulch.


Ayn Rand really pushes the Raphael HOT button. Be careful where you spray, Chad. Say...Chad...that's a good one, eh? No there might be a little behind the desk hanky-panky there. My choice is the Duchy of Grand Fenwick; up until they attacked NYC.

[Geeta]

Costa Rica. Costa Rica is historically politically neutral; therefore peaceful. While they naturally have some exploitation happening, they make efforts to be fairly green (environmentally) as well.

[JJuggle]

Costa Rica. Costa Rica is historically politically neutral; therefore peaceful. While they naturally have some exploitation happening, they make efforts to be fairly green (environmentally) as well.
They are also one of the few countries without a military and even fewer among those that do not rely on another country to provide their defense.

[JJuggle]

Ayn Rand really pushes the Raphael HOT button.
At least she has the decency to be dead.

[MuniAddict]

At least she has the decency to be dead.That's real classy.

[JJuggle]

That's real classy.
Too bad Castro's still breathing! Hopefully he'll die a miserable death SOON! That will be a happy day indeed!
Tienes cojones muy grandes, compañero.

[harper]

Tienes cojones muy grandes, compañero.

This is a family forum and let's hope you didn't acquire this information through personal contact.

[MuniAddict]

Tienes cojones muy grandes, compañero.Big difference pal! Castro has murdered and oppressed his own people!Ayn Rand simply wrote books and had*opinions*. If you're trying to equate the two you are quite ignorant!

[JJuggle]

This is a family forum
My apologies.

and let's hope you didn't acquire this information through personal contact.
I don't see how that's any of your business.

[MuniAddict]

My apologies.


I don't see how that's any of your business.Grow up!

[JJuggle]

Big difference pal! Castro has murdered and oppressed his own people!Ayn Rand simply wrote books and had*opinions*. If you're trying to equate the two you are quite ignorant!
Since this is clearly getting heated, I'm going to go with the flow. I was not equating Castro and Rand. I was equating our, yours and my, posts and suggesting that you were being hypocritical by calling me on my quip about Rand being dead after you wished death on Castro. Of course, I did not wish death on another human being as you did so equating them was actually being generous on my part. But if forced, I'll choose to be ignorant rather than brutal and barbaric.

[JJuggle]

Grow up!
Your beef is with Harper. ;)

[BillyTheMountain]

You guys are getting OFF-TOPIC!!

LOts of good posts, though!

Are you guys getting off topic AGAIN?

How can I get some PEACE here?

[BillyTheMountain]

Save choise would be a small isle like Sao Tomea, or Micronesia, or Sealand (a squated rig),
My choise is Finland, as it give home to a lot of serious political refugees.
Sure they will have stuff to be ashamed of, but more to be proud of.
Was finland also that country where the yellow-jew-star did'nt work in ww2, because the entire country was wearing it (after a king or so gaved the example to do so).



I think you are on to something here. They defied Hitler successfully! As a community, without violence, by sticking together.

[JJuggle]

I think you are on to something here. They defied Hitler successfully! As a community, without violence, by sticking together.
That was Denmark. And the story of the yellow stars is a myth.

[BillyTheMountain]

That was Denmark. And the story of the yellow stars is a myth.

Not a myth. It cannot be! Show me a trustworthy link!

[JJuggle]

Not a myth. It cannot be! Show me a trustworthy link!
That Denmark acted to save its Jewish population is not in question. The yellow star bit though is a myth.

[BillyTheMountain]

That Denmark acted to save its Jewish population is not in question. The yellow star bit though is a myth.

How did they succeed? Did the king play a role? What's the story?

They are in the running for Least to be ashamed of, and we need to know.

[ice_cold_uni6]

That Denmark acted to save its Jewish population is not in question. The yellow star bit though is a myth.
i always wanted to live in the netherlands....

[Brian MacKenzie]

How did they succeed? Did the king play a role? What's the story?



http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/denmark.htm

[BillyTheMountain]

http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/denmark.htm

Fewer than 500 Danish Jews were deported to the Theresienstadt concentration camp in Czechoslovakia, and nearly 90% of them survived to return to Denmark after the war. (Only these few hundred Danes who were sent to Theresienstadt were made to wear yellow stars identifying them as Jews.)

Although this legend may not be true in its specifics, it was certainly true enough in spirit. The rescue of several thousand Danish Jews was accomplished through the efforts of "thousands of policemen, government officials, physicians, and persons of all walks of life." The efforts to save Danish Jews may not have had the flair of the "yellow star" legend, and they may not have required quite so many citizens to visibly oppose an occupying army, but those who were rescued undoubtedly preferred substance to style.