View Full Version : Is a BC wheel considered a unicycle?
Mike The Uni Man
2006-08-13, 08:29 PM
just yes or no is it or is it not?
squirrel
2006-08-13, 08:36 PM
maybe!
irvinegr
2006-08-13, 08:37 PM
yeah...UNI means one... and it is a type of cycle... there for it is a unicycle..
Spencer Hochberg
2006-08-13, 08:46 PM
Yeah, I think so. I think its as much a uni as a UW or giraffe.
mornish
2006-08-13, 09:00 PM
yes, but I don't think anyone should really call it "a unicycle" when they know it's a BC wheel because there different things with one wheel.
James_Potter
2006-08-13, 09:07 PM
I would absolutely have to positively say...maybe. I tell people I have two and a half unicycles when they ask me how many I have, because I don't know about the BC Wheel.
It is a question we may never know the answer to.
Jerrick
2006-08-13, 10:05 PM
Hmm, I say no.
Sure it has one wheel, but it doesn't have a frame, seat, pedals, cranks.
Its like saying a scooter is a skateboard or a skateboard is a scooter, because the main difference are handles to hold onto.
Ok, that may not be the best example, anyways, to me, a unicycle is a unicycle, giraffe are unicycles, but a bc wheel is a bc wheel, but is with the unicycle family/category.
TheObieOne3226
2006-08-13, 11:07 PM
Cycle - Something powered by human legs through pedaling. If it isn't a cycle it can't be a unicycle.
Eroick
2006-08-14, 12:50 AM
Cycle - Something powered by human legs through pedaling. If it isn't a cycle it can't be a unicycle.
HAH! What about a MOTORcycle?! A cycle is something the spins. Uni means one. So yes, a BC wheel is one thing that spins, therefore a BC is a unicycle.
burjzyntski
2006-08-14, 01:22 AM
unicycle - A vehicle consisting of a frame mounted over a single wheel and usually propelled by pedals.
where is the prefix 'uni' in the term 'bc wheel'? I think a bc wheel is just a wheel with plates - not a unicycle.
If I owned a bc wheel, and someone asked me how many unicycles I had, I would tell them "I have four unicycles and a bc wheel".
"What is a bc wheel?", they would ask.
To which I would reply, "A BC wheel is a wheel with footplates on each side of the axle. You jump on it an coast, unlike a unicycle which you must continuously pedal in order to keep moving (unless, of course, you can coast on a unicycle)."
James_Potter
2006-08-14, 02:52 AM
Cycle - Something powered by human legs through pedaling. If it isn't a cycle it can't be a unicycle.
Wrong, sir, wrong!
Merriam Webster says
Main Entry: 1cy·cle
Pronunciation: 'sI-k&l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English cicle, from Late Latin cyclus, from Greek kyklos circle, wheel, cycle -- more at WHEEL
1 : an interval of time during which a sequence of a recurring succession of events or phenomena is completed <a 4-year cycle of growth and development>
2 a : a course or series of events or operations that recur regularly and usually lead back to the starting point b : one complete performance of a vibration, electric oscillation, current alternation, or other periodic process c : a permutation of a set of ordered elements in which each element takes the place of the next and the last becomes first d : a takeoff and landing of an airplane
3 : a circular or spiral arrangement: as a : an imaginary circle or orbit in the heavens b : RING 10
4 : a long period of time : AGE
5 a : a group of creative works (as poems, plays, or songs) treating the same theme b : a series of narratives dealing typically with the exploits of a legendary hero <the Arthurian cycle>
6 a : BICYCLE b : TRICYCLE c : MOTORCYCLE
7 : the series of a single, double, triple, and home run hit in any order by one player during one baseball game
forrestunifreak
2006-08-14, 03:11 AM
Nah, a unicycle is specifically what a standard unicycle is... Just becaue uni means one doesn't mean everything with one wheel is a unicycle.
Just like everything that has two wheels isn't a bicycle- such as scooters.
Evan Byrne
2006-08-14, 03:12 AM
Person: Whats a Bc wheel?
A proper awnser: The best form of unicycling.
James_Potter
2006-08-14, 03:26 AM
Person: Whats a Bc wheel?
A proper awnser: The best form of unicycling.
pwned!
burjzyntski
2006-08-14, 04:12 AM
but wrong :rolleyes:
TheObieOne3226
2006-08-14, 05:18 AM
HAH! What about a MOTORcycle?! A cycle is something the spins. Uni means one. So yes, a BC wheel is one thing that spins, therefore a BC is a unicycle.
A motorcycle is an exception (note the word motor). Also most of the world calls them motorbikes. Also, by your logic, these are all unicycles:
http://www.kidsdomain.com/craft/cegif/pinwheel.jpg
http://www.baldufa.com/foto0.jpg
http://sportsmuseum.co.kr/2002k-jworldcup/ball/1974-ball.jpg
iridemymuni
2006-08-14, 07:55 AM
just because you dont power it like a conventional unicycle doesn't mean it's not a unicycle.
aeroplanes have forms of propulsion by jets or propellors right, but gliders are still aeroplanes even though they aren't powered, right?
i've made bicycles without any form of propulsion, but it's still a bike.
that rules out that arguement.
TheObieOne3226
2006-08-14, 07:58 AM
A bike that cannot be ridden is not a bike, it is a frame fork wheels bars stem etc.
iridemymuni
2006-08-14, 08:00 AM
A bike that cannot be ridden is not a bike, it is a frame fork wheels bars stem etc.
a bike that cannot be ridden is not a bike.
yes it is a bike, you said it right there at the start, "a bike"
it's still a bike, if you ride a bike and crash into a pole and can't ride it, it's still a bike.
tomtrevor
2006-08-14, 08:14 AM
a BC wheel is a unicycle:
uni-
pref.
Single; one: unicycle.
cy·cle ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skl)
n.
An interval of time during which a characteristic, often regularly repeated event or sequence of events occurs: Sunspots increase and decrease in intensity in an 11-year cycle.
A single complete execution of a periodically repeated phenomenon: A year constitutes a cycle of the seasons.
A periodically repeated sequence of events: the cycle of birth, growth, and death; a cycle of reprisal and retaliation.
The orbit of a celestial body.
A long period of time; an age.
The aggregate of traditional poems or stories organized around a central theme or hero: the Arthurian cycle.
A series of poems or songs on the same theme: Schubert's song cycles.
A bicycle, motorcycle, or similar vehicle.
Botany. A circular or whorled arrangement of flower parts such as those of petals or sepals.
Linguistics. In generative grammar, the principle that allows an ordered set of linguistic rules or operations to apply repeatedly to successive stages of a derivation. Often used with the.
thus a BC wheel is a unicycle.
TheObieOne3226
2006-08-14, 08:35 AM
a bike that cannot be ridden is not a bike.
yes it is a bike, you said it right there at the start, "a bike"
it's still a bike, if you ride a bike and crash into a pole and can't ride it, it's still a bike.
Whatever, theres obviously a difference in our opinions. For starters, mine is correct and yours is not.
jake_amos
2006-08-14, 09:47 AM
BC is not a unicycle its halh a unicycle
edit half a unicycle**
Robbie
2006-08-14, 12:33 PM
As far as I'm concerned a BC is a unicyle. There are plenty of different types of unicycles, for example cokers have big wheels compared to the "standard unicycle", and may have handles. Just because a BC doesn't have a frame or seat doesn't mean it's not a unicycle.
vuniw
2006-08-14, 03:23 PM
i dont likie bc wheel
forrestunifreak
2006-08-14, 06:33 PM
a BC wheel is a unicycle:
uni-
pref.
Single; one: unicycle.
cy·cle ( P ) Pronunciation Key (skl)
n.
An interval of time during which a characteristic, often regularly repeated event or sequence of events occurs: Sunspots increase and decrease in intensity in an 11-year cycle.
A single complete execution of a periodically repeated phenomenon: A year constitutes a cycle of the seasons.
A periodically repeated sequence of events: the cycle of birth, growth, and death; a cycle of reprisal and retaliation.
The orbit of a celestial body.
A long period of time; an age.
The aggregate of traditional poems or stories organized around a central theme or hero: the Arthurian cycle.
A series of poems or songs on the same theme: Schubert's song cycles.
A bicycle, motorcycle, or similar vehicle.
Botany. A circular or whorled arrangement of flower parts such as those of petals or sepals.
Linguistics. In generative grammar, the principle that allows an ordered set of linguistic rules or operations to apply repeatedly to successive stages of a derivation. Often used with the.
thus a BC wheel is a unicycle.
So a scooter is a bicycle too? NOT.
Spencer Hochberg
2006-08-14, 06:36 PM
i dont likie bc wheel
Then it must not be a uni.:eek:
dudewithasock
2006-08-14, 08:39 PM
So a scooter is a bicycle too? NOT.
Yes, by definition, it is. Two. Wheels.
A BC wheel is a unicycle. One. Wheel.
What's so difficult to understand?
Spencer Hochberg
2006-08-14, 08:49 PM
Why does it matter? Maybe it doesn't fit the exact dictionary definition but people still treat it as a form of unicycling. When people make threads about BC wheeling in RSU no one freaks out and tells them to move it to JC because a BC wheel isn't under the definition of a unicycle.
burjzyntski
2006-08-14, 11:47 PM
thus a BC wheel is a unicycle.
That wasn't convincing at all...
The BC wheel (or Impossible Wheel) is a single wheel with pegs or small platforms connected to the axle. To ride you must balance on the pegs as the wheel is rolling. The name comes from the popular comic, B.C. by Johnny Hart, in which the characters travel by rolling on large stone wheels.
Riding the BC requires some different skills to the unicycle or Ultimate Wheel since fine control of the wheel's rotation is not possible. Since it requires very good balance it is not recommended for beginners. Advanced riders are able to do many tricks, including a variety of mounts, backwards riding, jumps and grinds.
The reason I love to BC so much is this, the most fun I've ever had on a uni was when I first got one, and just learning to ride those first few days. I fell so much but I was progressing I never had a balance point it was always hit or miss, and I get that everyday with the BC wheel. There is never a balance point you can get down to minimal movement but your still focused solid on what your doing.
~Evan Byrne
A BC wheel requires entirely different skills to ride than a unicycle does. If you can ride a unicycle, you can't necessarily ride a BC wheel. If you can ride a BC wheel, you can't necessarily ride a unicycle.
If you can ride a giraffe/Coker/other form of unicycle, then it is necessary that you are able to ride a unicycle.
Hope this clears everything up.
BC Wheel != Unicycle
Jerrick
2006-08-14, 11:57 PM
I am still saying no.
The BC is in the same aspect of unicycling, one wheel and whatnot, but it is not a unicycle.
burjzyntski
2006-08-14, 11:59 PM
"!=" means "is not equal to"
don't know if you caught that.
monkeyman
2006-08-15, 12:09 AM
aeroplanes have forms of propulsion by jets or propellors right, but gliders are still aeroplanes even though they aren't powered, right?
Apples and oranges.
From wikipedia:
A bicycle, or bike, is a pedal-driven human-powered vehicle with two wheels attached to a frame, one behind the other.
Just because the word is made of the roots "bi" and "cycle" does not mean that those roots' meanings have complete control over the definition. "Bicycle" is still it's own word, with it's own definition. In the same way, the definition of "unicycle" is not literally "one spinning thing". If I pick up a car tire and roll it down the road, I'm pretty sure most of you can agree that it is not a unicycle. If I throw two at once, they aren't a bicycle. Using the understood meaning of unicycle (not what the roots mean):
http://www.m-w.com/mw/art/unicycle.gif
a BC wheel is not a unicycle. Does that it make it any less awesome than a unicycle? No, it's still awesome.....it's just not literally a unicycle.
pinefresh
2006-08-15, 03:43 AM
websters deffinition of unicycle:
unicycle
One entry found for unicycle.
Main Entry: uni·cy·cle
Pronunciation: 'yü-ni-"sI-k&l
Function: noun
Etymology: uni- + -cycle (as in tricycle)
: a vehicle that has a single wheel and is usually propelled by pedals
....so a bc wheel does not qualify.
but it's the same spirit of unicycling so I think it's up to you.
and anyway you have to ask yourself, does it really matter?
dudewithasock
2006-08-15, 03:46 AM
BC wheels suck anyway.
Spencer Hochberg
2006-08-15, 04:01 AM
So do socks :rolleyes:
dudewithasock
2006-08-15, 04:04 AM
I'm not going to even dignify that remark with a response.
Wait....dammit!!
burjzyntski
2006-08-15, 04:16 AM
har har har @ DWAS
Robbie
2006-08-15, 10:33 AM
If you can ride a giraffe/Coker/other form of unicycle, then it is necessary that you are able to ride a unicycle.
.. No it's not. I could learn to ride a coker or giraffe and not be able to ride a 20 inch "standard unicycle". If those things are unicycles, so is a BC. A BC is something with one wheel, that a lot of unicyclists learn to ride. It may not have a frame+seat and it has a freewheeling hub, but that's what makes it different from the "standard unicycle". It's just one of those different unicycles that are harder to ride than others, that have a different element to them, but still rely on balance and coordination.
jake_amos
2006-08-15, 11:40 AM
the main difference in this arguement is pedals scooters arnt bikes due to lack of pedals same with unis and bcs plus at least i dont drink out of the toilet
iridemymuni
2006-08-15, 12:42 PM
if you get a bike and take the pedals off it, it's still a bike.
so you're saying that when i take the pedals off my unicycle, it is then automatically a BC wheel because it doesn't have pedals?
yeah good one...
burjzyntski
2006-08-15, 02:36 PM
.. No it's not. I could learn to ride a coker or giraffe and not be able to ride a 20 inch "standard unicycle". If those things are unicycles, so is a BC. A BC is something with one wheel, that a lot of unicyclists learn to ride.
I'm sorry, but you're slightly retarded.
It may not have a frame+seat and it has a freewheeling hub, but that's what makes it different from the "standard unicycle". It's just one of those different unicycles that are harder to ride than others, that have a different element to them, but still rely on balance and coordination.
http://www.unicycle.com/images/catalog/trainingseries/Pedalo.jpg
bicycle, unicycle, dicycle, or BC wheel?
There is a difference between all of those.
I would consider the Pedalo to be more of a dicycle than anything else.
Just as I would consider the BC wheel to be in a different from everything else.
I was pretty sure this argument was over, and that the BC wheel was not a unicycle :rolleyes:
Robbie
2006-08-15, 02:50 PM
http://www.unicycle.com/images/catalog/trainingseries/Pedalo.jpg
bicycle, unicycle, dicycle, or BC wheel?
I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.
Unicycles and BC wheels have one wheel, bicycles have two wheels, the thing above has three wheels. Way to build a strong arguement.
dudewithasock
2006-08-15, 03:26 PM
plus at least i dont drink out of the toilet
Thread = won.
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-15, 04:56 PM
Hmm, I say no.
Sure it has one wheel, but it doesn't have a frame, seat, pedals, cranks.
Its like saying a scooter is a skateboard or a skateboard is a scooter, because the main difference are handles to hold onto.
Ok, that may not be the best example, anyways, to me, a unicycle is a unicycle, giraffe are unicycles, but a bc wheel is a bc wheel, but is with the unicycle family/category.
I think so too!
if you get a bike and take the pedals off it, it's still a bike...
but if you take away everything from the bike but one wheel, it's NOT a bicycle and NOT a unicycle.
I was pretty sure this argument was over, and that the BC wheel was not a unicycle :rolleyes:
Me too!
monkeyman
2006-08-15, 05:12 PM
if you get a bike and take the pedals off it, it's still a bike.
No it's not. Did you even read my post? A bicycle is not literally the definition of the two root words that make it up. A bicycle has pedals. To use your airplane example, if you take the wings off an airplane, it no longer falls under the definition of an airplane. It's now a stick with a tailfin.
A BC wheel is NOT a unicycle. The end, case closed, Jake doesn't drink out of the toilet.
DarkTom
2006-08-15, 05:31 PM
The answer is in the question.
Is a BC WHEEL a unicycle?
No. It's a wheel.
And you should all ignore this "Websters" dictionary thing. Use an English (UK) dictionary seeing as the language started here.
The Oxford dictionary website meaning for unicycle should end this debate, and then annoy us all.
unicycle
• noun a cycle with a single wheel, chiefly used by acrobats.
— DERIVATIVES unicyclist noun.
See what I mean?
As for the debate of what cycle means:
cycle
• noun 1 a series of events that are regularly repeated in the same order. 2 a complete sequence of changes associated with a recurring phenomenon such as an alternating current, wave, etc. 3 a series of musical or literary works composed around a particular theme. 4 a bicycle.
• verb 1 ride a bicycle. 2 move in or follow a cycle of events.
— ORIGIN Greek kuklos ‘circle’.
So, once again..... All together now...
a bc wheel is not a unicycle, it is a wheel.
But I reckon it's closest cousin is the unicycle, and should therefore be grouped with it, whilst remembering that it is different.
This is starting to sound like the Coker/36"er debate. Pointless!
T.
johnfoss
2006-08-15, 09:45 PM
This whole thread is an argument-cycle. It goes round and round, but pretty much keeps ending up at the same place. Argue semantics all you want. What's needed in a situation like this is for an officiating body to make a choice, and let that be that.
Ask the IUF if a BC Wheel is a unicycle, and you might, if you're lucky, get a committee to form and have the same argument all of you just did, only much more slowly and probably with less creativity. In the end, the IUF might say "What's the point?" Because this only matters in terms of some sort of frame of reference. So here are some IUF frames of reference:
Freestyle:
Skills done on a BC Wheel would count for Difficulty points on your score. Skills done on a bike or scooter, except in some few odd positions, would not. So for Freestyle purposes, the IUF considers a BC Wheel to be a form of unicycle.
Track:
Only standard unicycles are allowed. They have to have direct drive, so a BC Wheel would not be allowed. Therefore, according to the IUF's definition, a BC is not a "standard unicycle." Neither is a giraffe, a multi-wheel stack, or a Schlumpf.
Unlimited racing:
This could get into a gray area, as it says "no restrictions" and refers back to the definition of "unicycles," so some editing is needed in that area. Generally a BC Wheel would be bad in a unicycle race unless it were all downhill.
Coasting/downhill gliding competition:
The rulebook is not specific. However, as an experienced referee I can't imagine anyone allowing BCs to mix with the regular unicycles in these events. BC competitions of these should be held against other BCs.
Me:
I consider a BC Wheel to be a form of unicycle. I also consider a two-wheel stack (bi-verticycle) to be a unicycle, even though it has two wheels. I do not consider a bicycle on its back wheel to be a unicycle, as it can (and is built to) ride on two wheels.
dan de man
2006-08-16, 01:57 AM
Freestyle:
Skills done on a BC Wheel would count for Difficulty points on your score.
sry for the thread jack but
omg ,FREE-stylin BC sweet
burjzyntski
2006-08-16, 02:02 AM
the foss wins.
apparently we non-believers lose.
hope it's not like when we die.
"dammit, there was a god!"
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-16, 03:18 AM
Freestyle:
Skills done on a BC Wheel would count for Difficulty points on your score. Skills done on a bike or scooter, except in some few odd positions, would not. So for Freestyle purposes, the IUF considers a BC Wheel to be a form of unicycle.
Maybe the IUF does, but that cannot be inferred from what you say here. You may be overstepping.
The IJA has counted tricks performed on a unicycle in there juggling competitions, but that does not make unicycling a form of juggling.
The IUF may even add a point if you did Chinese ribbon routine on a unicycle, but that does not make ribbons a unicycle.
You even suggest IUF would count tricks on a bike or scooter in certain positions!!! But you know scooters and bikes are NOT unicycles.
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 10:35 AM
the bc whell is a wheel with plates
a unicycle is a frame with a seat and a wheel with pedals
iridemymuni
2006-08-16, 10:37 AM
see they've both got a wheel.
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 10:44 AM
if i get 2 cars leave one how it is and with the other i destroy everything execpt the wheels is it still a car?
iridemymuni
2006-08-16, 10:46 AM
if you get a pen, take off the outer casing and everything apart from the little ink bit and the tip, is it still a pen?
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 10:49 AM
ahhh touche BUT NOT FOR LONG the pen consist of the ink inside so it is the same as saying if i took the windows out of the normal car then it would still be a car
dan de man
2006-08-16, 10:49 AM
yeah because you can still write w/ it
iridemymuni
2006-08-16, 10:51 AM
but at the heart of a BC wheel and a unicycle, there is ONE WHEEL.
the whole thing is based around THE WHEEL.
so taking the windows out of the car is like taking the frame and seat off a unicycle.
it's still a car and a bc wheel is still a unicycle.
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 11:01 AM
no the whole idea is based around the fact that it is a bike that was wounded at war then it found a lady who was willing to car for it then they got friendly and bred causing a disformaty called threequaterofastupidbikecycle then the unicycle thought that the threequarterofabikecycle was its wife it it mated with the three quater thing and it gave birth to a beautiful child that they called unicycle then the original unicycle found out there was to be a second coming and he decided when it was he said it would be when the struggle inside of him was resolved if his son Billy Callum or BC was his child or the child of a great evil then non unicycles he came to the conclusion that his son Billy callum or BC was really a good thing but not a unicycle
The Great Unicycle Has Spoken
iridemymuni
2006-08-16, 11:03 AM
John Foss has spoken.
that's it.
You can't deny John Foss's logic, he's John Foss.
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 11:06 AM
I see my stupidity has backed you into a corner and now you are relying on the words of the superpowers but think about this everytime you sleep with your wife dont forget what happened in mexico when you told me you....loved me -crys-
iridemymuni
2006-08-16, 11:08 AM
i've got two words for ya.
john foss.
ok i'll stop that now...
uh ok, mexico
tomtrevor
2006-08-16, 11:13 AM
damn crazy Australians!
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 11:16 AM
personally i beleive if this thread were a poll that decided whether or not bill callum was a unicycle and you could only vote if you replied then it would be voted that it were not a uni
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 11:17 AM
haha i am the only aussie opposed to the bc being a uni
jake_amos
2006-08-16, 11:17 AM
cya i'm off
tomtrevor
2006-08-16, 11:18 AM
but the thing is, its not a poll.
tomtrevor
2006-08-16, 11:18 AM
cya later then!
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-20, 01:57 AM
haha i am the only aussie opposed to the bc being a uni
There's so many aussies. at least ONE has to be right! It just happens to be YOU!
johnfoss
2006-08-20, 07:47 AM
The IUF may even add a point if you did Chinese ribbon routine on a unicycle, but that does not make ribbons a unicycle.
You even suggest IUF would count tricks on a bike or scooter in certain positions!!! But you know scooters and bikes are NOT unicycles.
A Chinese ribbon could get you points for the Presentation portion of your score, as it is a skill performed while unicycling (even if you do it on a BC). We know an artistic bike, for instance, is not a unicycle, thank goodness, but we also know tricks performed while balanced on one wheel, generally, can be counted as unicycling skills. Read the rulebook. It's a public document, not a secret.
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-20, 04:04 PM
A Chinese ribbon could get you points for the Presentation portion of your score, as it is a skill performed while unicycling (even if you do it on a BC). We know an artistic bike, for instance, is not a unicycle, thank goodness, but we also know tricks performed while balanced on one wheel, generally, can be counted as unicycling skills. Read the rulebook. It's a public document, not a secret.
another great example of a thread rescued from the nether pages....
Thanks John.
I'm thinking: Is an artistic bike a unicycle? I think it is! Who's with me on this one??! :D
Billy
Mikefule
2006-08-20, 06:52 PM
This is all to do with semantics.
There are some-antics you can get up to on a unicycle, and some-antics you can get up to on a BC wheel.
Mike The Uni Man
2006-08-20, 07:19 PM
John Foss has spoken.
that's it.
You can't deny John Foss's logic, he's John Foss.
now just because john foss said it it doesnt maske it true i beleive that he is right on this but that is steriotypical i mean if kris holm just came in and said "yes it is" all of u would be like kris holm said it its true geeze lol
personly after reading this i beleive a unicycle is classified as not a unicycle but is in the unicycle familyyea...
plus how do u make polls?
connorunicycle
2006-08-20, 08:20 PM
no way!
BC Wheeling is a totally different concept and feeling.
Jerrick
2006-08-20, 10:39 PM
Ill say it again, BC wheel is not a unicycle.
It is just in the orientation/family of unicycling.
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-21, 01:16 AM
now just because john foss said it it doesnt maske it true i beleive that he is right on this but that is steriotypical i mean if kris holm just came in and said "yes it is" all of u would be like kris holm said it its true geeze lol
personly after reading this i beleive a unicycle is classified as not a unicycle but is in the unicycle familyyea...
plus how do u make polls?
john foss did not say a bc wheel is a unicycle.
iridemymuni
2006-08-21, 06:26 AM
if the BC wheel is in the family of Unicycles, then it is a unicycle.
just like all ships are boats, but all boats arent ships.
all bc wheels are unicycles, but all unicycles arent bc wheels.
tomtrevor
2006-08-21, 06:42 AM
exactly!
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-21, 12:00 PM
if the BC wheel is in the family of Unicycles, then it is a unicycle.
just like all ships are boats, but all boats arent ships.
all bc wheels are unicycles, but all unicycles arent bc wheels.
That's a big IF you got there.
And if the BC wheel is in the family of Not Unicycles, then it is a Not Unicycle. And we've already established that this second statement is true.
iridemymuni
2006-08-21, 12:04 PM
you've yet to prove it to me.
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-21, 02:03 PM
you've yet to prove it to me.
But they haven't proven evolution to you yet, either.
maestro8
2006-08-21, 05:46 PM
This is all to do with semantics.
...and timing. If I had read your post 10 seconds earlier I would've spat coffee all over my keyboard. Great pun, Sir!
mornish
2006-08-21, 07:19 PM
are you a pedestrian if your on a BC?
mscalisi
2006-08-21, 07:48 PM
Hmmm, one might come to the conclusion, by using your references, that a unicycle is not a unicycle either.
We agree that unicycle has two parts uni (one) and cycle (a bicycle by your definition below). Therefore since a unicycle is not a bicycle, it is not a unicycle.
OR, if we infer that a cycle is defined as a bicycle as a derivative of one of the other definitions. (A wheel spinning as a reoccuring event) then the spinning (cycling) wheel itself is what makes it a cycle. Therfore anything with a single wheel that spins is a unicycle.
For the record, whether or not a BC wheel is considered a unicycle is on the list of things that couldnt matter less in my life.
The answer is in the question.
Is a BC WHEEL a unicycle?
No. It's a wheel.
And you should all ignore this "Websters" dictionary thing. Use an English (UK) dictionary seeing as the language started here.
The Oxford dictionary website meaning for unicycle should end this debate, and then annoy us all.
unicycle
• noun a cycle with a single wheel, chiefly used by acrobats.
— DERIVATIVES unicyclist noun.
See what I mean?
As for the debate of what cycle means:
cycle
• noun 1 a series of events that are regularly repeated in the same order. 2 a complete sequence of changes associated with a recurring phenomenon such as an alternating current, wave, etc. 3 a series of musical or literary works composed around a particular theme. 4 a bicycle.
• verb 1 ride a bicycle. 2 move in or follow a cycle of events.
— ORIGIN Greek kuklos ‘circle’.
So, once again..... All together now...
a bc wheel is not a unicycle, it is a wheel.
But I reckon it's closest cousin is the unicycle, and should therefore be grouped with it, whilst remembering that it is different.
This is starting to sound like the Coker/36"er debate. Pointless!
T.
johnfoss
2006-08-21, 07:52 PM
all bc wheels are unicycles, but all unicycles arent bc wheels.
I'll go along with BC being a subset of unicycles. It is a type of unicycle, as is a 2-wheel stack, a handlebar unit (with pedals) or an ultimate wheel. I don't count a pedal-less handlebar unit as a unicycle however, unless it has pegs on it or some other provision for it being ridden by itself (like a BC wheel).
A BC is not a "standard unicycle" as defined by the IUF. Those have pedals and a fixed-gear drive system.
And an artistic bicycle is not a unicycle. I wouldn't really consider it to be a subset of unicycles either, unless your subset is based on things you can ride on one wheel. Otherwise, it's a bicycle. Its primary orientation is with both wheels on the ground, one steering. The fact that it can be ridden on the back wheel (in various orientations and positions) could make it a part-time unicycle, but I still think of it as a bike doing a cool trick.
THE dave
2006-08-21, 07:54 PM
a bc wheel is an impossible wheel
zfreak220
2006-08-21, 08:05 PM
a bc wheel is an impossible wheel
^^point being? ^^
im just wondering, has anyone learned to bc before unicycling? when you found out about bcing was it through a unicycle source? people don't usually find out about bcing without a mention of unicycles. so regardless of the physical composition of it, it is a part of unicycling as a whole. so i think a bc should be considered a unicycle.
BillyTheMountain
2006-08-22, 12:25 PM
^^point being? ^^
im just wondering, has anyone learned to bc before unicycling? when you found out about bcing was it through a unicycle source? people don't usually find out about bcing without a mention of unicycles. so regardless of the physical composition of it, it is a part of unicycling as a whole. so i think a bc should be considered a unicycle.
If you know anything about history, you would know that the BC wheel came into existence shortly after the invention of the WHEEL, a LONG time ago.
Cave men rode BC wheels long before Unicycle.com ever had a web site.
iridemymuni
2006-08-22, 12:30 PM
and your evidence is where?
dale_dale
2006-08-22, 12:35 PM
and your evidence is where?
http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/wheel.gif
right there
iridemymuni
2006-08-22, 12:37 PM
so i coul draw a drawing and in it say that a bc wheel is a unicycle, and it would be right because it's in a picture?
thats a cool picture too.
dale_dale
2006-08-22, 12:42 PM
man it was a joke
iridemymuni
2006-08-22, 12:47 PM
hence i said it was a cool picture too
zfreak220
2006-08-22, 07:55 PM
well the comic bc is where the impossible wheel got its second name from.
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