how much time do you think we got here?

[GhettoSmurf]

on earth, im guessing 40-100 years until the human race is wiped off this earth.
do to polution or wars or overpopulation or something elsse

[JJuggle]

do to polution or wars or overpopulation or something elsse
The inability to write and communicate clearly may be a contributing factor too. ;)

[unisteve]

I plan to be alive in 40 years, so the Earth will definitely still be here.

[Gilby]

on earth, im guessing 40-100 years until the human race is wiped off this earth.
do to polution or wars or overpopulation or something elsse
I doubt that we will kill all of us, via pollution and war. Overpopulation self-corrects itself, but nonetheless, we continue to advance our technologies and that most likely will not be a problem. The true limit on population is the average energy humans need to survive over the total stored energy available on the earth and the energy provided by the sun. With that energy, we can theoretically produce everything we need to survive.

[GhettoSmurf]

weapons are so advanced and are getting more powerfull, all it takes is one nut-job to get hold of them

[Radical Reed]

weapons are so advanced and are getting more powerfull, all it takes is one nut-job to get hold of them

I though George Bush did have a hold of them?:confused:

[dudewithasock]

how much time do you think we got here?

Few hours, at best. Enough time for me to get another level on my Necromancer in Diablo II and enhance my Skeleton Mastery.

[JJuggle]

Few hours, at best. Enough time for me to get another level on my Necromancer in Diablo II and enhance my Skeleton Mastery.
Thank goodness our young people - our future - have their priorities straight.

[dudewithasock]

Thank goodness our young people - our future - have their priorities straight.

If you mean that my Necro is my highest priority, goodness no! I have to finish this delicious turkey sammich first. :)

[juggle508]

Only the Lord knows, but that day that it happens will be awesome. The followers of Jesus will be taken up with the Lord to live with him forever.
My 2 cents.

KH.

[Gilby]

Only the Lord knows, but that day that it happens will be awesome. The followers of Jesus will be taken up with the Lord to live with him forever.
My 2 cents.

KH.
Oh no, I revise my responce and claim that we are all doomed. Thanks for making it clear.

[juggle508]

Whatever you say Gilby.....

KH.

[Borges]

weapons are so advanced and are getting more powerfull, all it takes is one nut-job to get hold of them
Ahhh. Cold War nostalgia. Those where the days :)

It's still hard to get a hold of enough of those weapons to wipe out a single city (don't ask me how I know this). Getting enough destructive power for the entire planet is a very ambitious goal. Especially for a nut-job.

[forrestunifreak]

I plan on living past a hundred.

[Gilby]

Ahhh. Cold War nostalgia. Those where the days :)

It's still hard to get a hold of enough of those weapons to wipe out a single city (don't ask me how I know this). Getting enough destructive power for the entire planet is a very ambitious goal. Especially for a nut-job. Nut-job... pres of the US... need I say more?

Good thing politics can sometimes get in the way.

[Borges]

Nut-job... pres of the US... need I say more?
Patton instead of Eisenhower? Interesting thought.

[MrBoogiejuice]

on earth, im guessing 40-100 years until the human race is wiped off this earth.
do to polution or wars or overpopulation or something elsse

If I entered those launch codes correctly I'd say you have about four minutes startinnnnnnng............NOW!

Duck and cover!

[maestro8]

do to polution or wars or overpopulation or something elsse
I believe that stupidity / ignorance / call-it-what-you-will is the single most powerful force on this planet. With the advances in modern technology, Darwin has become thwarted from dealing with all but the most stupid. It will take much longer than a century, but when the planet reaches critical stupidity, I believe the human race will self-destruct.

Only the Lord knows, but that day that it happens will be awesome. The followers of Jesus will be taken up with the Lord to live with him forever.
I'm just curious, does Jeebus have a space-ship everyone will ride up to "the Lord's house"? Or is the ride metaphorical, and you guys will have a big kool-aid party when the time comes?

[skrobo]

hmm, the nuclear missles will be shot up, shot down (exploded in midair by other missles) and the world will be saved, so that said the earth will last for a long time, you never know we might end up like the jetsons (LOL)

but seriously, its all up to God so i guess we will have to wait and see what he blesses us with and how soon we are blessed with it ... earth is just a place for humans to be slightly entertained before being truly at peace or suffering forever

[juggle508]

but seriously, its all up to God so i guess we will have to wait and see what he blesses us with and how soon we are blessed with it ... earth is just a place for humans to be slightly entertained before being truly at peace or suffering forever

Very nice way to put it.

KH.

[Jerrick]

God has his plan for everyone. Once I die, I will go to heaven, when that will be, it in his hands. I plan to live a long time, I eat healthy, I excercise, my fmaily has always had a long lifetime, so I have no worries at all.

Hmm, the complete end would kinda be the Rapture, it kinda will, but kinda won't. There is actually a really good series that is about the rapture, I have been reading it before I was a born again christian, and I still am reading it, I need to find the 7th book so I can start again.

The book is called 'Left Behind' I suggest everyone to read it. I always found myself staying up to about 6am reading, and then it was hard to go tob ed cause I wanted tor ead it more.

[phlegm]

Two pages of posts in several hours? We obviously got a lot of time here.

[mscalisi]

Does EVERY thread have to be a Jesus thread!!! For the love of god!!! You guys don't even get 72 virgins.

I'll be where the party is.

[juggle508]

Does EVERY thread have to be a Jesus thread!!! For the love of god!!! You guys don't even get 72 virgins.

I'll be where the party is.

We are just stating our belief of the time issue. DOn't reply if you don't like it. Im out.

KH.

P.S. The party will be in Heaven with all of our fellow Christians.

[dudewithasock]

What is this thread even about?

[forrestunifreak]

Hmm, the complete end would kinda be the Rapture, it kinda will, but kinda won't. There is actually a really good series that is about the rapture, I have been reading it before I was a born again christian, and I still am reading it, I need to find the 7th book so I can start again.

The book is called 'Left Behind' I suggest everyone to read it. I always found myself staying up to about 6am reading, and then it was hard to go tob ed cause I wanted tor ead it more.

Except, that is a fiction book, and we don't really even know if there will really be a rapture or not, or when/if it will happen. :)

[forrestunifreak]

What is this thread even about?

It's global warming in disguise.

[dudewithasock]

It's global warming in disguise.

Damn you, o-zone...

[Spudman]

The world will be ending sometime withing the next few years. Me an' my cult have been doing a lot of praying to the Potato Gods, and they have informed us that an asteroid the size of Idaho is heading this way. You'd betta run!

...but you can be saved if you join our cult! Just send me $100 dollars and you're in!

[dudewithasock]

The world will be ending sometime withing the next few years. Me an' my cult have been doing a lot of praying to the Potato Gods, and they have informed us that an asteroid the size of Idaho is heading this way. You'd betta run!

...but you can be saved if you join our cult! Just send me $100 dollars and you're in!

Mmm. Potato.

[monkeyman]

hmm, the nuclear missles will be shot up, shot down (exploded in midair by other missles) and the world will be saved, so that said the earth will last for a long time, you never know we might end up like the jetsons (LOL)

.

It's a good thing that those missiles can somehow contain all the radiation from the nukes, so it doesn't spread into the atmosphere.

There are much more, much easier ways to kill then using nukes.

We are just stating our belief of the time issue. DOn't reply if you don't like it. Im out.


Yes, and we are stating our belief that we don't like your evangelising about everything. Don't reply if you don't like it.
Why are we wrong for disliking it when you preach, but you're not wrong when you dislike us saying our contradicting beliefs? If you're allowed to say something, I'm allowed to refute it.

...but you can be saved if you join our cult! Just send me $100 dollars and you're in!

do we get free fries?

[juggle508]

[QUOTE=monkeyman].


Yes, and we are stating our belief that we don't like your evangelising about everything. Don't reply if you don't like it.
Why are we wrong for disliking it when you preach, but you're not wrong when you dislike us saying our contradicting beliefs? If you're allowed to say something, I'm allowed to refute it.


QUOTE]

Yes you are. I just "evangelise" about everything cause it is everything to me. Its all good. I didn't mean to get into a arguement. I respect whatever you believe. Have a nice day :). KH.

[Catboy]

In 2069, the almighty RamenGod will bless us with a showering of noodles, where we will be taken to his styrofoam castle in the sky where we will eat bacon and spaghetti-o's for breakfast and all the people who eat shrimp flavored ramen will boil in picante beef noodle juice in the center of the earth.

I know because this really really old ramen wrapper I found in a crackhead hobos mouth told me so. It must be true since there is no eveidence to back it up other than the wrapper, right?

[burjzyntski]

P.S. The party will be in Heaven with all of our fellow Christians.

There are no interesting people in heaven.


"The temperature of Heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority
is Isaiah 30:26, "Moreover, the light of the Moon shall be as the light of
the Sun and the light of the Sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven
days." Thus Heaven receives from the Moon as much radiation as we do from
the Sun, and in addition 7*7 (49) times as much as the Earth does from the
Sun, or 50 times in all. The light we receive from the Moon is one
1/10,000 of the light we receive from the Sun, so we can ignore that ...
The radiation falling on Heaven will heat it to the point where the heat
lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation, i.e.,
Heaven loses 50 times as much heat as the Earth by radiation. Using the
Stefan-Boltzmann law for radiation, (H/E)
temperature of the earth (-300K), gives H as 798K (525C). The exact
temperature of Hell cannot be computed ... [However] Revelations 21:8 says
"But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake
which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone means
that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, 444.6C. We
have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C."
[From "Applied Optics" vol. 11, A14, 1972]

I'm going where the temperature is nicest and the people are most interesting.

But then there's always the "you'd go mad if you followed the bible word-for-word, but you'd have to be mad to follow the bible word-for-word." And so, I digress; I do not follow or believe in the bible for a multitude of reasons, but here is not the place to discuss the matter ....though I haven't had good rant in a while...

[juggle508]

[QUOTE=burjzyntski]There are no interesting people in heaven.


QUOTE]

On the contrary my friend....

Mel Gibson
Tom Hanks

Chuck Norris

Mr.T
Jeff Foxworthy
Vince Carter
MC Hammer
AND MOST IMPORTANT JESUS

Thats just to name a few.

KH.

[Spudman]

Mr.T


I can't picture him with a halo wings. He hates flying.

[NordicUni420]

Lets put it this way; if there's a WWIII, there isn't going to be a WWIIII. If ya' catch my drift/pick up what i'm layin' down/smell what i'm steppin' in. you get the picture

[mscalisi]

You can spend your eternity with MC Hammer and Jeff Foxworthy. and I'll spend mine with Bjork and Angelina Jolie.

http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Main_Page


[QUOTE=burjzyntski]There are no interesting people in heaven.


QUOTE]

On the contrary my friend....

Mel Gibson
Tom Hanks

Chuck Norris

Mr.T
Jeff Foxworthy
Vince Carter
MC Hammer
AND MOST IMPORTANT JESUS

Thats just to name a few.

KH.

[mscalisi]

..back on subject.

How much time we have depends on if the leaders of the world are willing to turn this ship around or not. At any rate, I expect the world to end sometime after I do. ....then again, the way things have been going in the middle east and korea, I'm not so sure.

[dudewithasock]

Jolie is an atheist? Damn, screw heaven.

[monkeyman]

Lets put it this way; if there's a WWIII, there isn't going to be a WWIIII. If ya' catch my drift/pick up what i'm layin' down/smell what i'm steppin' in. you get the picture

No, too many idiotic idoms.

Yes you are. I just "evangelise" about everything cause it is everything to me. Its all good. I didn't mean to get into a arguement. I respect whatever you believe. Have a nice day . KH.

That wasn;t necessarily against you, just against the hypocrisy of people who say that people who dislike Christians preaching are religion bashers, but it's alright for the Christians to call us that for saying our beliefs

[boo radley]

i give us at least another 100 years before the shit really even begins to hit the fan.

[yoopers]

It seems to me that the question was asked but no one has really defined in what place or time or dimension here was intended, so in reality, the question is so far unanswerable.

[johnfoss]

hmm, the nuclear missles will be shot up, shot down (exploded in midair by other missles) and the world will be saved...
I suppose if God is involved that *could* happen, but left to themselves, the world's anti-missile technology is still pretty sketchy. And most countries don't have any.

but seriously, its all up to God so i guess we will have to wait and see what he blesses us with and how soon we are blessed with it ...
Long as he's in charge, could he put in a new ruler for North Korea please?

[johnfoss]

P.S. The party will be in Heaven with all of our fellow Christians.
What does He have in mind for the vast majority of Earth's population (the ones that aren't Christians)? Different party?

[juggle508]

I wouldn't call it a party. I would call it burning in Hell forever.

KH.

[Unimichael]

[QUOTE=burjzyntski]There are no interesting people in heaven.


QUOTE]

On the contrary my friend....

Mel Gibson
Tom Hanks

Chuck Norris

Mr.T
Jeff Foxworthy
Vince Carter
MC Hammer
AND MOST IMPORTANT JESUS

Thats just to name a few.

KH.
All these people are in heaven? When did this happen? Man, you don't pick up a newspaper for a couple of days...

[juggle508]

Well they are Christians and will be in Heaven.

KH.

[johnfoss]

I wouldn't call it a party. I would call it burning in Hell forever.
Dang! Your God is harsh! More than 3/4 of the world's population is doomed to (your God's) hell? Ouch.

Where does one draw the "Christian" line? All variants of Christian? Just certain sects? And of course even then only the "good" ones....

In any case, I plan to live to at least 100, which means at least 56 more years. Like I can stop the end of the world from coming by being alive... :confused:

[NordicUni420]

No, too many idiotic idoms.

i'm guessing you meant "idioms"

[Unimichael]

I wouldn't call it a party. I would call it burning in Hell forever.

KH.

And I'd call threatening people with an 'eternity in Hell' "extortion".
This is one of the problems I have with this entire mentality, "Do what HE wants or you'll burn in Hell!!!"
What a tyrant.
If I had a God, and HE created me, HE would accept me, just as I must accept the actions of those I have created, my children. Would I stuff one of them into the oven because he/she wrecked the car?

Probably not...

[juggle508]

And I'd call threatening people with an 'eternity in Hell' "extortion".
This is one of the problems I have with this entire mentality, "Do what HE wants or you'll burn in Hell!!!"


Probably not...

Well yeah, to me(Christians) its about living FOR HIM. But believe what you want, I dont want to diss anyone. I respect your opioions(sp. lol) and I know we are both just stating what we believe. So its all good.

KH.

[phlegm]

hell, fun for the whole family (http://fallingsandgame.com/sand/hell1.html)

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

I wouldn't call it a party. I would call it burning in Hell forever.

KH.
Let me go to hell if that's the kind of crap i'll get in heaven. this world has already died due to conformity and opression...oh yeah, and killing people(for stuff like thinking their own thoughts).

[juggle508]

Im sorry, I don't argue with people that don't make a point.

KH.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

All i am saying is that people who aren't christians can still be good,kind people. Do they still go to hell?

[dudewithasock]

Well you can enjoy yourself in heaven pitying fools with Mistah Tee, but I'll burn in my Ramen juice with Angy J - my two passions. :p ;)

Honestly, I respect your beliefs, jug - even if you're outright saying I'm going to hell for not agreeing with you - so I'll leave it at that.

[skate4flip]

And I'd call threatening people with an 'eternity in Hell' "extortion".
This is one of the problems I have with this entire mentality, "Do what HE wants or you'll burn in Hell!!!"
What a tyrant.
If I had a God, and HE created me, HE would accept me, just as I must accept the actions of those I have created, my children. Would I stuff one of them into the oven because he/she wrecked the car?

Probably not...
hmm that reminds of this verse (i am not agreeing or disagreeing with you)

Romans 3:23

For all of sinned and fallen short of the glory of god

[juggle508]

All i am saying is that people who aren't christians can still be good,kind people. Do they still go to hell?

Yes I personally believe that you have to be "saved". YOu have to admit that he is the one and only king and have to turn your life over to him and believe that is the only way to get to Heaven. You can't just say it though. You have to mean it with all your heart and with all of your soul.

KH.

[burjzyntski]

Those of us who do not attench church weekly, pray to your christian god, or worship jesus christ will definately die about a bajillion years before those who unicycle and/or hold bananas for christ.

while we're (I'm*) on the topic of nonsensical people, places, and things, I'd like to introduce the term 'bajillion' as being equal to "infinity + 1"

Heaven (read "the [lack of?] afterlife") is whatever you make of it. but it doesn't matter what you make of it, because you'll never get to share it with anyone still living, and so we (humans) will always sit and wonder and pray and hope and kill and reproduce without ever knowing why. we may have short-term answers as to "why are we here?", but there will never be a clear-defined reason unless you choose to believe in something. it's too bad about that whole bible thing, though. really it is. people over a thousand years ago wrote some things down, and here we are today, still believing what they wrote. we know for a fact that people even a hundred years ago didn't know what they were talking about for sure. a fine example being the US constitution - which we have ammended many times to make it acceptable by today's people, and even now we're not right about everything. i know that I'm not right about everything that I say, and, who knows, all of this could just be complete gibberish. i might go to "hell". i might not. i might live forever. i probably won't. you believe in heaven, I believe in reincarnation (not really, but how about it?). when i die, i want my body preserved and my unicycle, food, clothes, drinks, and 72 virgins buried next to me. i'll need them in the afterlife.

i have to wake up early. i really wish i could go on, because trust me, I could go on and on, playing the devil's advocate against anything any of you bible-thumpers have to say, but in the end I will get to sleep and you will be left questioning your savior, and then answering yourself with "his" ideologies, making yourself feel better, but not entirely believing yourself...or maybe you will. i sure as hell don't know.

do you know?
sure as hell?

if you believe in heaven, and there is no heaven, where do you go?
if you don't believe in heaven, and there is a heaven, where do you go?
if you believe in heaven, and there is a heaven, you go to heaven.
if you don't believe in heaven, and there is no heaven, where do you go?

this isn't directed at anyone in particular, but more of an entire religion.
It's good that you have faith in something/someone...faith is good to have..
but it's too bad that there isn't cold, hard proof of that something's existence.

sorry again for straying somewhat from the thread's main purpose, but I have to get some thoughts out sometimes. I've been sitting in a room, reading and sleeping, not conversing with anyone since friday evening. I have unicycle on the way, and i'm getting anxious..

SO
I say we have until 2525 to get our butts off this planet and have a decent civilization on another planet. an asteroid/meteorite/bolide/"'space debris" will probably impact Earth and kill us all...except the cockroaches..but, then again, it might even kill them.

or an overpowered electromagnetic pulse may cause civilization to stop. we'd (those in modernized areas) would probably go insane and riot until everyone is dead.

or maybe GOD WILL NEVER ALLOW US TO DIE.
GOD = perfect.
MAN = created in god's image.
if GOD = perfect, then why would he allow bad people?
shouldn't they die when they are babies and pure; before they are able to do harm to anyone?

you might argue that nobody is "bad", but "misunderstood", or "in a world of their own", or something else to explain their "bad" actions.

ok, i'm stopping here. i see that i've been typing for a while and i'm not entirely sure if this all has a point, but I like to debate things, and so I take it upon myself (and, using the 1st ammendment as my excuse) to go off on tangents


lets see what kinds of replies this gets.........(sleep)

[boo radley]

if there is a god, we know that only one religion can be right. this means that most of us, if not all of us, have to be wrong. that alone should make everyone humble, but instead we act as if any idea can be made true with enough bigotry.

[phlegm]

if there is a god, we know that only one religion can be right.

Um, why? Does this include the religion of science? :)

[burjzyntski]

and it's "opinions"

it always seems like it's the Christians that are the ones with the spelling mistakes...no offense, hay-zeus (jesus)

it might come with being weak..

I mean, why would you need to be saved? I feel great and I don't believe in that bologna. whatever, man. power to you. get saved. don't have sex until after you're married. find out then that your only lover has herpes/is infertile/isn't sexually attracted to you. but it doesn't matter. you'll both be happy in HEAVEN...with herpes or without offspring...or maybe you'll have twins! you could name them Joseph and Vladimir...


or not


(my name is Joseph, by the way)

[juggle508]

Ha, I could write so much on that but I will just give out points.

"if you believe in heaven, and there is no heaven, where do you go?
if you don't believe in heaven, and there is a heaven, where do you go?
if you believe in heaven, and there is a heaven, you go to heaven.
if you don't believe in heaven, and there is no heaven, where do you go?"

1. There is a Heaven(So I believe.) So that answers two of them. IF you don't believe and there is one, you go to Hell and burn forever, If you do believe and have comitted your life to him, then you go to Heaven.

2. I know many of you don't believe, but I think everyone should read the Bible. You may disagree but its such a good book. People take little snippets out of it and turn it into something different without reading the whole picture.

"but it's too bad that there isn't cold, hard proof of that something's existence."
If you have ever been truly touched by the Lord then you know there is cold hard evidence. Its a feeling inside your heart like no other.

I like having conversation about this. I hate fighting about it.

I think im heading to bed. Say what you like, but please don't diss. I will respect your beliefs if you respect mine.

Thanks for your time.

KH.

[phlegm]

I mean, why would you need to be saved?

Because we all have a sinful nature.

[juggle508]

and it's "opinions"

it always seems like it's the Christians that are the ones with the spelling mistakes...no offense, hay-zeus (jesus)

it might come with being weak..

I mean, why would you need to be saved? I feel great and I don't believe in that bologna. whatever, man. power to you. get saved. don't have sex until after you're married. find out then that your only lover has herpes/is infertile/isn't sexually attracted to you. but it doesn't matter. you'll both be happy in HEAVEN...with herpes or without offspring...or maybe you'll have twins! you could name them Joseph and Vladimir...


or not


(my name is Joseph, by the way)


Everyone will be perfect in Heaven. Sin will not enter the gates.

KH.

[phlegm]

People take little snippets out of it and turn it into something different without reading the whole picture.

So then, why do you choose the Greek idea of hell (hades) over the Jewish idea of hell (sheol)?

[juggle508]

I don't understand. Im sure you making a good point. I gues im just too ignorant.(not meaning im dumb but meaning i don't know)

KH.

[burjzyntski]

Take a Philosophy class of some sort when you go to college.
It was one of my favorite classes last year.

[boo radley]

Um, why? Does this include the religion of science? :)
break all the religions out into groups that can be jointly correct without contradicting each other.

[squirrel]

1. There is a Heaven(So I believe.) So that answers two of them. IF you don't believe and there is one, you go to Hell and burn forever, If you do believe and have comitted your life to him, then you go to Heaven.



How does this work? Everything I've read about how the mind works indicates that the brain is required for me to think, to remember, to process sensory input.

If my brain won't work when I'm dead, then I won't be able to "go to heaven", whatever that might mean.

Cognitive science has come a long ways since most religions were formed. It turns out that the religions are wrong about pretty much everything that we can investigate using science.

There's just no way I can believe any religion.....or believe in any god, whatever you might define it/him as.

So don't be too surprised if folks like me think you're kind of naive to believe what you believe. Also don't be surprised that we get a bit worried when world leaders think the way you do! this life is all we have, so we really ought to make the best of it.

[juggle508]

How does this work? Everything I've read about how the mind works indicates that the brain is required for me to think, to remember, to process sensory input.

If my brain won't work when I'm dead, then I won't be able to "go to heaven", whatever that might mean.

Cognitive science has come a long ways since most religions were formed. It turns out that the religions are wrong about pretty much everything that we can investigate using science.

There's just no way I can believe any religion.....or believe in any god, whatever you might define it/him as.

So don't be too surprised if folks like me think you're kind of naive to believe what you believe. Also don't be surprised that we get a bit worried when world leaders think the way you do! this life is all we have, so we really ought to make the best of it.


It won't be the first time that im thought different of, I ride a unicycle haha. I don't mind being different. But what is normal anyways?

KH.

[boo radley]

jesus seems to jack a lot of threads off topic.

[mscalisi]

I'd call burning in hell with Angela Jolie a party.

I wouldn't call it a party. I would call it burning in Hell forever.

"burning in hell forever" would be an awesome theme for a party.

[juggle508]

We can pick this up in the morning.

KH.

[mscalisi]

Um, why? Does this include the religion of science? :)

Are you taunting me?

because we all have a sinful nature.
That's the truth. (substitute sinful for selfserving)

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

Yes I personally believe that you have to be "saved". YOu have to admit that he is the one and only king and have to turn your life over to him and believe that is the only way to get to Heaven. You can't just say it though. You have to mean it with all your heart and with all of your soul.

KH.
So i'd go to hell for being a pagan and just for being a pagan? i love everybody and their beliefs and i wish we could live in peace with each other. the world would last a lot longer then and god(or who or whatever else you believe in would think we are cool).

[phlegm]

break all the religions out into groups that can be jointly correct without contradicting each other.

I don't need to. I'm not a universalist. I'll stick with making sense of the religions that contain many of my beliefs: Christianity, Science, and Math.

But I'm willing to accept that perhaps someone else's religious beliefs could be right for them, even if their beliefs contradict my own.

[phlegm]

Are you taunting me?


;)

[mscalisi]

I dunno, you might be risking hell (with the rest of us heathens) for being so open.
But I'm willing to accept that perhaps someone else's religious beliefs could be right for them, even if their beliefs contradict my own.

[mscalisi]

;)

(sigh)

Do I HAVE to have a religion?

[phlegm]

I dunno, you might be risking hell (with the rest of us heathens) for being so open.

So, I'm risking hell by not casting eternal judgment on others? I guess that's a question for God to answer...

[Jerrick]

Except, that is a fiction book :)

I know, but it does give some good facts about it, and its a great read, at least I thought so.

I mainly put that because I know a lot of people dont want to read the Bible or anything like that, so they would probably be more interested in something that does give facts, but also keeps you reading.

Also, I have noticed this, when any other religion gets brought up, barely anyone cares, but when Christianity is brought up, theres an argument just like that. Also, I don't get why you say we are preaching to everyone, we are stating what we believe, but then get told to stop and and are told from other people about how Christianity is wrong, so isn't that just you preaching to us right after you say not to? Seem hypocritical to me.

Anyways, I am really not sure how long our civilization has to go, maybe the fluctuation with global warming will start going down like it always has, and other stuff will get better, and humans will start to be more healthy and treat our resources better and not waste as much as we do. :rolleyes:

[mscalisi]

Well, not according to me, but I'm a heathen.

So, I'm risking hell by not casting eternal judgment on others? I guess that's a question for God to answer...

[GhettoSmurf]

My god, I created a monster!

[tomtrevor]

i honestly think that the world is not going to end for a long long time. so i say we don't have to worry about anything at all. i say sit back and enjoy life, don't worry about what is going to happen in over a thousand years.

[MrBoogiejuice]

Wow, this turned into a religious debate very quickly and with not even a whiff of a banana in sight.

[juggle508]

Yeah and it was me that helped do that. Sorry about the thread jacking. Lets get this back on topic.

For me I have always thought that I will die naturally before the world will come to an end.

KH.

[dudewithasock]

I got necro to level 11 and learned Corpse Explosion, so I'm good to die now.

[burjzyntski]

The world ended on June 6th of this year.

[Unimichael]

I don't have a problem with others beliefs, although I might have come across that way.
I have a problem with those who wear their religion on their sleeves, constantly calling attention to it.
Coincidently, I can't think of any other group, Jew, Hindu, whatever who do this!
So carry your faith, keep it close to you heart, after all, it IS sacred to you...
just keep it out of my face, it IS sooo tedious.

Now as an attempt to get this thread back to where it began,
it would seem that in the last few years, almost all respected opinion is joining the consensus that this planet IS in serious jepardy. My own belief is that this planet is sacred, and should be treated with the same respect we would treat any sacred object.

I believe that many of the religions that existed (and still exist) that did not have an afterlife that involved a seperate destination (Heaven) and believed their spirits remained here, showed greater reverence to the land. Perhaps because the earth held both their ansestors' spitits, and eventually theirs as well.
All that being said, embrace life, embrace your beliefs, protect Mother Earth.

[Zzagg]

If the question is "how much time do you think we got" (as a species), I'd say:
"I don't know, but I don't see any reason why human species should last forever... that should not prevent us from trying to last as many years as possible (in peace, if it's not too much to ask for).
If the question is "how much time do you think we got HERE"...
I don't know either:o
Thanks for having spent some time reading this completely useless post:o

embrace life, embrace your beliefs, protect Mother Earth.that's a good start!;)

[maestro8]

if there is a god, we know that only one religion can be right. this means that most of us, if not all of us, have to be wrong. that alone should make everyone humble, but instead we act as if any idea can be made true with enough bigotry.
along the same lines, each religion has their own interpretation of who THE supreme being is and the manner in which one must live their life to avoid crossing said being.

so one person who believes their deity is sending them to heaven may just as well be destined to hell according to another person of another religion. it seems almost everyone is going to one hell or another. for what it's worth, the supreme being's words most likely were misinterpreted at some time and now everyone's going to hell! what a party!

[monkeyman]

Well yeah, to me(Christians) its about living FOR HIM. But believe what you want, I dont want to diss anyone. I respect your opioions(sp. lol) and I know we are both just stating what we believe. So its all good.

KH.

Alright, I've got a little problem with the whole Christian "reason we're here"

God puts on the Earth to live for him, follow every single one of his rules, believe in him, so we can die and go up and spend time with him? Where is the logic in that? The only thing I'm getting out of this is that God is arrogant (putting us here to be like him), or just malicious (as Johnfoss said, 3/4 of the population burn in eternal fires)

Doesn't sound like a very merciful, kind God to me.

Yes I personally believe that you have to be "saved". YOu have to admit that he is the one and only king and have to turn your life over to him and believe that is the only way to get to Heaven. You can't just say it though. You have to mean it with all your heart and with all of your soul.

Why? What does this accomplish? What does giving credit to, or believing in a God do for that God? Unless the Christian God is trying to win a pissing contest over the other Gods, there's no reason why God would need us to pledge allegiance.

If you can explain all that to me, please do.

[juggle508]

Our main goal here on earth is to be a servant and show God how we can serve him. Its not a contest or anything, its just a test to see if we are fully comitted to him.

KH.

[monkeyman]

Our main goal here on earth is to be a servant and show God how we can serve him. Its not a contest or anything, its just a test to see if we are fully comitted to him.

KH.


Well then why are created at all? Why would a God create us just to test us?

And if God creates each and every one of us, why does he create serial killers? It's been proven that their brains are slightly different then a "normal" person....why would God do that?

Why can't God just create us in Heaven?

And what about the people who have never heard of Jesus? what happened to them? Do the good ones go to Heaven?

[dudewithasock]

Alex, now you're just being a stickler.

If you were God, and you were just sitting up in your heavenly throne bored off your ass all day (and them days last a long time up there), how would you pass the time? It's the same reason humans play the Sims and make the little one-square houses, put 10 Sims in it, remove the door, then watch them die, laughing. And since we're supposedly created in his image, God's version of this might be just to throw hurricanes at people, then watch them suffer, and laugh. I mean, hey, I'm sure God gets bored, just like us; after all, we're in his image. We're not perfect, so he must not be perfect; the only advantage he has over us is the scale on which he can create (i.e., we can't just create big ol' planets). However, even we can create life, just like him.

The more you look at it, the more questions become answered (in my opinion, anyway). Doesn't mean I agree with it, but I can see where they're coming from.

[juggle508]

Well then why are created at all? Why would a God create us just to test us?

And if God creates each and every one of us, why does he create serial killers? It's been proven that their brains are slightly different then a "normal" person....why would God do that?

Why can't God just create us in Heaven?

And what about the people who have never heard of Jesus? what happened to them? Do the good ones go to Heaven?


God doesn't create bad people. They make a choice. It doesn';t matter where you were born. If you are old enough to understand the concept of Jesus, then you can die without him and go to Hell.

KH.

[monkeyman]

Alex, now you're just being a stickler.

That would be all fine and dandy if God wasn't claimed to be a merciful, loving, God who was perfect.

[iridemymuni]

we've got plenty of time, go unicycle

[tomtrevor]

maybe in the morning

[dudewithasock]

we've got plenty of time, go unicycle

thread = winnz0red

[johnfoss]

God doesn't create bad people. They make a choice.
So a sociopath *chooses* to have a brain that's different from that of an average person? That's like saying someone chooses to be autistic, chooses to be colorblind, or chooses to have cerebral palsy.

...Or I guess it's like saying a sociopath isn't "bad," which I guess is true if they never commit any crimes.

I'm still waiting for your response on the vast majority of the world's population (which isn't Christian). Are they all doomed to burn in hell? I guess that would keep heaven from getting very crowded...

[juggle508]

Well John, I can't answer all questions as Im only 17. But I can find out for ya if you would like me too. :)

I have heard that no matter where you live, you goal is to give your life to Jesus. Whether you know about him or not. If you do not complete that goal, then you are bound for an eternity in Hell.

Thats just what I believe..... I don't mind talking about this in "conversations" as long as it doesn't start a fight.
I think I have spent way too long on here anyways lol. I will continue to check in every once in a while but Im out for right now. Yall have a good day.

KH.

[swarbrim]

If God is all powerful, can he create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it?

Mike

[Naomi]

but seriously, its all up to God so i guess we will have to wait and see what he blesses us with and how soon we are blessed with it ... earth is just a place for humans to be slightly entertained before being truly at peace


It's the religious God-botherers that truly worry me most. After all, their's is the Kingdom of Heaven and they have, they think, everything to gain if we all suddenly get toasted.

The rest of us want enough time for our bread to go mouldy.

Nao

[Gilby]

God doesn't create bad people. They make a choice. It doesn';t matter where you were born. If you are old enough to understand the concept of Jesus, then you can die without him and go to Hell.

Why does your religion depend on coercion?
--- "Believe without evidence, or suffer eternal damnation."

Yes, I know that Christianity is simply a business, but, why threaten the public with something so evil?

[Gilby]

That would be all fine and dandy if God wasn't claimed to be a merciful, loving, God who was perfect.
I was once told that God is perfect simply because he is the one that defines morality. While what he does is moral, for anything else to do that may be considered immoral.

[maestro8]

If God is all powerful, can he microwave a burrito so hot that he cannot eat it?
fixed.

answer: this is a loaded question. god has to exist before he can nuke a burrito.

[carsonpalooza]

The way I see it is that everyone is going to have a different opinion no matter what. That includes religion so you can't expect everyone to believe the same thing. In my way of thinking just because someone thinks that Jesus wasn't the true messiah or something else don't mean that they are going to hell just because of that, if God is all knowing then he would recognize that not everyone has the same opinion

[dudewithasock]

If God is all powerful, can he create a stone so heavy that he cannot lift it?

Mike

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[TrialsUni]

The problem with bringing an anthromorphic god, like the more specific judeo-christian god into this conversation is that if there indeed is a god whom created everything we know here on earth and the universe, then we, his creations are all subject to his little game. It's like the christian sky god (whom has been the subject of the most debate in this thread) is a scientist and he's out field testing his creation. "Hmmm, I will make the ground shake, and see what happens. Now I'll make a flood, and see what my creations do," etc. All we as humans are then, is little toys for his amusement. We're only created to serve his purpose. And if this whole life, and concept of the universe is made to fit his plan, perhaps anything every person does sticks with that plan. And if he's indeed perfect, it's his fault for being a perfect being feeling the un-fullfilled desire to will something, and an imperfect something at that, into creation. What perfect being would need to create anything? A perfect being would have no needs or desires, according to our definitions of what is perfect. Under this, god cannot be perfect (at least in the common ways religious people define it).

I could go further, but this thread is not about religions, or my personal rant against them.

But I will add, that the real danger that lies in the downfall of Western Civilisation (which I doubt would ever happen because of corporate greed and self-interest) lies, as evidenced in our country and in the middle-east, in the influence of religion on political leaders, and political agendas. Carsonpalooza said it right when he stated that not everyone conforms to the same beliefs. Because of this, politics should remain purely secular. Leave religion out of it!

[johnfoss]

I have heard that no matter where you live, you goal is to give your life to Jesus. Whether you know about him or not. If you do not complete that goal, then you are bound for an eternity in Hell.
I have heard the same, from some. But I just can't accept for my own belief system that the vast majority of the world's population is going to hell for not being (insert correct types of) Christian. Maybe for you it's a shock to notice Christianity is still the #3 religioin in terms of numbers of people.

As I mentioned earlier, your god sure is harsh!

But at the same time this offers some reason as to why some Christians feel the need to evangelize constantly, sometimes to the annoyance of others. If they believe you are doomed to an eternity of hell, they're just trying to help you out.

Thanks for keeping a cool head through all of this, juggle508, you are a more reasonable man than many. May we meet someday and ride together, and have a blast!

[juggle508]

Definely John, I think I might be able to make it to NAUCC next year hopefully if the money is good.

KH.

[burjzyntski]

wow.

we are not here to live for god, or jesus, or anyone else, we are here to reproduce, just like every other living creature.

humans created "god". without us (humans), there would not be any thought of a god. dinosaurs did not live for god. birds do not live for god. I believe that our modern-day birds are descendants of dinosaurs (just look at them for <blanks> sake). darwinism is right, creationism is not. can you honestly believe some of the stories from the bible? (the example that comes to mind at the moment is Eve being created from one of Adam's ribs?) adam and eve are always depicted as looking the way humans do today (homo sapiens sapiens), and nothing like any neadertal/homo habilus/or any other primates. according to the bible, earth is only a few thousand years old...come on...we have scientific proof that earth is _much_ older than a few thousand, even millions of years old.

sorry, i like to believe things that can be backed up with science (even though, i admit, there is a lot more to be discovered, and a lot more to be proven right and wrong)


also, the shroud of turin (that cloth that supposedly had jesus' face on it) has recently been carbon dated back to only medieval times...not ~34 C.E.


EDIT: not sure if i've said this before, but I do have a lot of respect for people that believe strongly in their religion -whatever it may be. If it gives you the strength to live and carry on as a good person, then more power to you.

EDIT EDIT: sorry for going off on tangets like this; about birds and dinosaurs and the like, but sometimes these tangents are necessary for me to get my point accross (however obscure the point may be at the end of my post..)

[monkeyman]

I have heard that no matter where you live, you goal is to give your life to Jesus. Whether you know about him or not. If you do not complete that goal, then you are bound for an eternity in Hell.


Wait.....what? You can't have an unknown goal...that just goes against the entire definition of a goal.


I was once told that God is perfect simply because he is the one that defines morality. While what he does is moral, for anything else to do that may be considered immoral.

Well, I guess the religious win that point....I think....

Thats just what I believe..... I don't mind talking about this in "conversations" as long as it doesn't start a fight.

If I've come off as being condescending or like an ass, I apologize...it was unintentional, I'm just talking about it too...I've always believed that debate helps people solidify their own beliefs. Everything I've said has just been in the interest of conversation, not degrading your beliefs.

[juggle508]

No problem monkeyman, It was good to talk about it. I actually think (if i get around to it) of going to other churches and places, even some of different religions just to see what they believe. I think its a good experience to understand what everyone thinks.

Until next time,

KH.

[Zzagg]

42, period.

[mawesome]

All I know is that we sure as hell aren't gonna outlive the roaches.

All this talk of "perfect" and "God" in this thread and you people still don't get it. This "God" fellow didn't make the world for us, he made us to test his roaches. The roaches are the perfect survivalists(?), so when Ragnarok finally rolls around, I just want "God" to know whos side I'm on.

Don't kill the roaches.