><> Unicycle For Christ <>< i know i already did this but go here!!

[skroboskim]

Ok, so no religion talks here ... if you want to join the few of us who are Unicycling for CHRIST then go for it ...otherwise please ... i beg of you not to post here if you are not supportive of this, just to keep it on topic post what you want about religion on the other thread

i just want to have some common background with people that have a common intrest ... not imposing it on other people other than saying I unicycle for Christ unless they want to know more :)

PM me if you would like to become a member :)
or you could post here
and put ><> Unicycle For Christ <>< in your signature

[TheObieOne3226]

Who cares what it says in your signature...I know jesus doesn't. If you want to unicycle for Christ then do so. You do not need to tell people to join your little club by putting something in their signature. If people like Jesus, they will like Jesus...I don't need half the people on the forum advertising Jesus.

[skroboskim]

oh yeah... lets make a continuing list of members here...

skroboskim
juggle 508
jerrick
forrestunifreak
jungauni
madmattunipro
foxx?
caw89
gordythegon


and how does this sound lets leave the antichrist comments to themselves and not fight them because we don't have to ... if they want a valid conversation about this ... the other post already has that!

[tholub]

I'm sinning for Christ. Why waste all his effort?

(Get this crap out of rec.sport.unicycling).

[terrybigwheel]

I'm sinning for Christ. Why waste all his effort?

(Get this crap out of rec.sport.unicycling).

Please allow me to reiterate: "Get this crap out of rec.sport.unicycling"

[Murde Mental]

Guys, seriously, Stop hating. You're making me angry. Let him have his thread. There's nothing wrong with them EXEPT THAT PEOPLE KEEP NAGGING HIM AND MAKING HIS THREADS RETARDED so please, abstain from posting if you REALLY want it to go away.

That was my last post in this thread... maybe!

[Jerrick]

Your only contributing to this "crap" by posting in it, if you dont want it to be here, dont post in it, and just ignore it, as for me, i dont think it is crap =p

[skroboskim]

umm this is actually where it belongs because it is a group of recreational unicyclers :)get it straight:)

[harper]

I may get flak for this but I'm moving it to Just Conversation where it belongs. Does wheel walking across water qualify as a level 12 skill?

[TheObieOne3226]

Haha its funny that RSU is more sacred to some people than Jesus.

[skroboskim]

I may get flak for this but I'm moving it to Just Conversation where it belongs. Does wheel walking across water qualify as a level 12 skill?
lol no i think thats under weird skills
but anyways ... i think it belongs here

[forrestunifreak]

I may get flak for this but I'm moving it to Just Conversation where it belongs. Does wheel walking across water qualify as a level 12 skill?

Does wheel walking through a mud puddle count?

[skroboskim]

I may get flak for this but I'm moving it to Just Conversation where it belongs. Does wheel walking across water qualify as a level 12 skill?
lol no i think thats under weird skills (but in theory it is possible) with a big enough tire lol
but anyways ... i think it belongs in RSU ... why is it that a religious post is the first one ive ever heard of being moved to JC? when there are tons of posts about nothing in RSU

[Murde Mental]

Cause atheists are essentialy intolerant of these things even if they're harmless when not part of a governing force.

wait a second...

:P

[magic lobster]

Thanks Harper.

[skroboskim]

Haha its funny that RSU is more sacred to some people than Jesus.
haha ... maybe it is, but not to me, it is just annoying that you will not leave it there
that is the place I think it belongs and will get proper attention

[magic lobster]

haha ... maybe it is, but not to me, it is just annoying that you will not leave it there
that is the place I think it belongs and will get proper attention
I'm sure those in the trading post would like to put their stuff for sale in RSU because of the high traffic, but they have a little more respect. Just because you want lots of attention doesn't mean it belongs there.

[TheObieOne3226]

haha ... maybe it is, but not to me, it is just annoying that you will not leave it there
that is the place I think it belongs and will get proper attention


Dude, not to be a dick or anything, but it should not annoy you that your thread was moved. This is Gilby's forum and he can do with it as he pleases (something I didn't think about when I did some dumb shit a while ago). If this was my forum I would have deleted this. Also, RSU is for unicycling topics. This is a silly club you are starting...JC material.

Too bad Turbo-Jesus is banned...he would have some fun with this thread.

[James_Potter]

Dude, not to be a dick or anything, but it should not annoy you that your thread was moved. This is Gilby's forum and he can do with it as he pleases.
In the original Unicycle For Chirst thread, Gilby said it was fine where it was, and Harper moved it into JC....
(something I didn't think about when I did some dumb shit a while ago).
hahaha, I remember what that was!!
If this was my forum I would have deleted this. Also, RSU is for unicycling topics. This is a silly club you are starting...JC material.
I think it is valid in either forum. It is about unicycling, it's about unicyclists with a common interest getting together. So yeah, I think its okay where it was, and its okay in here.

[uni57]

It would have been fine in RSU, but the goddamn atheists screwed it up.

Also, this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49089) and this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49124) and this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49103) are still in RSU.

[James_Potter]

goddamn atheists
hehe, I think this is funny.

[Bud-Litebulb]

the only time i think of god or jesus or any of those guys is when i fall off my unicycle and say "god damn it!"

I unicycle for my girfriend (even though she wants me to stop, i still unicycle for her.

My girlfriend is HOT. Jesus is not. Sorry.

[mscalisi]

I think discussions regarding jc belong in jc.

I may get flak for this but I'm moving it to Just Conversation where it belongs. Does wheel walking across water qualify as a level 12 skill?

[mscalisi]

RSU is for Unicycling related posts. Not for heated discussion, which ALL posts that are directly about religion will become.

BTW, you can post 10,000 posts about Christ, and EVERYONE SINGLE ONE will turn into a heated discussion, especially if you ask other people not to participate.


BTW. If I repeatedly posted in RSU about unicycling for Allah, and asked Christians not to participate, would you be offended?

lol no i think thats under weird skills (but in theory it is possible) with a big enough tire lol
but anyways ... i think it belongs in RSU ... why is it that a religious post is the first one ive ever heard of being moved to JC? when there are tons of posts about nothing in RSU

[phlegm]

BTW. If I repeatedly posted in RSU about unicycling for Allah, and asked Christians not to participate, would you be offended?

To preserve the analogy, I think you meant "unicycling for Muhammad." 'Allah' is just the Arabic word for God. Whether Christians believe in the same God/Allah as Muslims is debatable. ;)

[monkeyman]

My girlfriend is HOT. Jesus is not. Sorry.

You blindly follow Bush...I hope you don't thinkthat he's hot

[phlegm]

You blindly follow Bush...I hope you don't thinkthat he's hot

Please don't provoke him. We'll end up with "unicycling for Dubya" threads too. :eek:

[James_Potter]

To preserve the analogy, I think you meant "unicycling for Muhammad." 'Allah' is just the Arabic word for God. Whether Christians believe in the same God/Allah as Muslims is debatable. ;)
Except Muslims don't worship Muhammad in the same way that Christians worship Jesus Christ...Muhammad was just a prophet, not a God.
Also, Allah in Islam and God in Christianity are the same God...both are Abrahamic faiths.

[Seager]

You want to know why "athiests" are intolerant of these threads? Because now thanks to you guys there are 5 threads in JC and 2 threads in RSU all ABOUT THE SAME DAMN THING! I don't care that you are Christian. Make one thread in the correct place and stick with it. There already was a christian thread started a year ago, don't make a new one. You aren't saying anything new. Us secular people stayed out of that thread and all was good.

Also, a "Christian Unicyclist Club" is an elitist, prick move. "Hey, lets all get together and we can post our names in the thread and put it in our signatures to show how much better and more righteous we are than everyone else."

All it does is seperate people. We are one, small group here. Why are you trying to divide us further and make people feel unwelcome? Why are you trying to seperate us into factions and focusing on our differences? Are you trying to get rid of us "bad people?" When all we can see on front page of JC and RSU are religious threads and responsed to religious threads there is a serious problem in these forums. Take your crusade elsewhere.

[skroboskim]

You want to know why "athiests" are intolerant of these threads? Because now thanks to you guys there are 5 threads in JC and 2 threads in RSU all ABOUT THE SAME DAMN THING! I don't care that you are Christian. Make one thread in the correct place and stick with it. There already was a christian thread started a year ago, don't make a new one. You aren't saying anything new. Us secular people stayed out of that thread and all was good.

Also, a "Christian Unicyclist Club" is an elitist, prick move. "Hey, lets all get together and we can post our names in the thread and put it in our signatures to show how much better and more righteous we are than everyone else."

All it does is seperate people. We are one, small group here. Why are you trying to divide us further and make people feel unwelcome? Why are you trying to seperate us into factions and focusing on our differences? Are you trying to get rid of us "bad people?" When all we can see on front page of JC and RSU are religious threads and responsed to religious threads there is a serious problem in these forums. Take your crusade elsewhere.


i never said it was elitest, or that YOU could not join, but u know... im not trying to get rid of anyone, all i want is my topic to stay on topic and not become a religious debate ok?
and i already thought about making the whole front page religious stuff, but i figured i would get banned ... and this is a unicycling forum :) not a christian forum!

so join the club if you would like :) if not thats cool ... don't feel bad you are entitled to your views!

[unijesse]

Haha its funny that RSU is more sacred to some people than Jesus.
actually i see that more sad than funny.

id love to be a part

[nachos]

ah yeah very sad.. its like.. mann ... but hey look all the people who dont like this idea... take the siggy idea.. and change it... and some of them even left on the ><>s hee hee.. but yeah..... ><> Unicycle for Christ <>< is the orginal thing and most know it.. so... its still glorifying christ.. even if they dont want it to.....

<3

[BornUgly]

I'm in!

[Murde Mental]

sure, me too! Oh wait, I'm already taken.

:-(

[skroboskim]

[QUOTE=skroboskim]oh yeah... lets make a continuing list of members here...

skroboskim
juggle 508
jerrick
forrestunifreak
jungauni
madmattunipro
foxx?
caw89
gordythegon
nochos
bornugly


james_potter-unicycles for budda

luke 12:49- I have come to set the earth on fire, and how i wish it were already blazing!

haha!!

[phlegm]

What we have here is clearly not a Christian organization.

[skroboskim]

exactly ... it may evolve into one, but for now it is just unicycling for christ so lets get stickers made!!

[unicus]

http://imagehost.biz/ims/pictes/209153.gif

[skroboskim]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nochos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8


james_potter-unicycles for budda

[skroboskim]

:)

[James_Potter]

james_potter-unicycles for budda
w00t for me!
and for Buddha, you go Buddha!

[maestro8]

a continuing list of members here...
with james potter on your list it appears you're trying to be all-inclusive... so put me down as "unicycles for satan"...

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172914&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=4ccc442baa9485134ddfc89a1dfcc10b

[James_Potter]

with james potter on your list it appears you're trying to be all-inclusive... so put me down as "unicycles for satan"...

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172914&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=4ccc442baa9485134ddfc89a1dfcc10b
The problem with that is, that you don't actually unicycle for / believe in / worship Satan. You're just saying that because you can...which isn't a very good reason.
in my not so humble opinion ( :

[UNIquelyCanadian]

You may want to define what you mean by 'for Christ' otherwise the term is meaningless. :)

[phlegm]

I'm just waiting for someone to ask for recommendations of the best Christian unicycle in the "Unicycle Product Reviews" subforum.

[maestro8]

The problem with that is, that you don't actually unicycle for / believe in / worship Satan.
...and what qualifies you to make such a statement as this? ;)

[Bud-Litebulb]

You blindly follow Bush...I hope you don't thinkthat he's hot
i most certainly DO NOT think Bush is hot. thats for the brokeback mountain crowd to think about!
ugh!
i will tell you this, and you might think this is a little gross because i am sure your liberal bias does not allow you to imagine any republivn females as being hot in any way, but when you think about it, Laura, Bush (preident's wife) she is kind of hot. ever see any pictures of her when she was younger?
she was fine!
nice body, nice everything. she still is good looking.

[James_Potter]

I agree...same with Mrs Brady.

[Murde Mental]

with james potter on your list it appears you're trying to be all-inclusive... so put me down as "unicycles for satan"...

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=172914&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=4ccc442baa9485134ddfc89a1dfcc10b

I was unicycling for Satan before... but now I decided to branch out and unicycle for the Anti-Christ. Cause it's more relevant.

you in?

[skroboskim]

I was unicycling for Satan before... but now I decided to branch out and unicycle for the Anti-Christ. Cause it's more relevant.

you in?

nope sorry i think you hae your own thread to post this in :) so please leave and quit attacking my idea ... so if you are serious then post here :)

[Murde Mental]

nope sorry i think you hae your own thread to post this in :) so please leave and quit attacking my idea ... so if you are serious then post here :)


hahaha brother man, I'm just keeding. I'm one of those who have absolutely no beef with your idea. I'd like to join it... but I don't do that.

So yeah keep it up!

[MrBoogiejuice]

Lucky_8. I'm not so sure you're membership of the unicycling for Christ antics are compatible with the serious matter of unicycling for Bilious.

I think we need to have a talk.

But anyway, just to jack the thread a little weensy bit. The unicycling for Bilious roster is as follows.

MurdeMental
Me
GILD
Eddbmxdude

er...that's it for now, though we welcome anyone who wishes to join RSU's fastest growing religion.

Roll up, roll up. Don't be shy, you have nothing to lose but your stomach contents.

[skroboskim]

Lucky_8. I'm not so sure you're membership of the unicycling for Christ antics are compatible with the serious matter of unicycling for Bilious.

I think we need to have a talk.

But anyway, just to jack the thread a little weensy bit. The unicycling for Bilious roster is as follows.

MurdeMental
Me
GILD
Eddbmxdude

er...that's it for now, though we welcome anyone who wishes to join RSU's fastest growing religion.

Roll up, roll up. Don't be shy, you have nothing to lose but your stomach contents.

sorry, i think i messed you up and took one of your members? and by the way isn't that off topic?? the topic is unicycle for christ ... not unicycle for billious the false "god"

[unijesse]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nochos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8
13.unijesse


james_potter-unicycles for budda

[skroboskim]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nochos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8
13.unijesse


james_potter-unicycles for budda


coolness...sorry if I missed your name... who would buy stickers??
they should be like $1 each :) and about 1"x 5"??

[MrBoogiejuice]

sorry, i think i messed you up and took one of your members? and by the way isn't that off topic?? the topic is unicycle for christ ... not unicycle for billious the false "god"

Yep, it's off topic. But to be fair I did warn you of the fact that I was leading you on a little jaunt away from the matter in hand. Anyway, we live in a capitalist society, where consumer is king. I feel it is my duty, as a responsible capitalist, to give choices in the Metaphysical Free Market. Plus it's better than a-another thread about people of a particular persuasion pursuing partisan partnerships.

On a more positive note: It is with great glee and absolute pleasure that I welcome two more followers to the Church of Chunder: johnhimsworth and leo_h. Howdy gents, how yer diddling? They were hiding away in another thread not totally dissimilar to this one.

[monkeyman]

You want to know why "athiests" are intolerant of these threads? -snip-
Take your crusade elsewhere.

So you can honestly say that if, before all of this, someone had started up a 'Unicycle for Atheists' Club, you'd be jsut as seemingly offended as you are now, and you'd be just as pissed?

[monkeyman]

i most certainly DO NOT think Bush is hot. thats for the brokeback mountain crowd to think about!
ugh!
i will tell you this, and you might think this is a little gross because i am sure your liberal bias does not allow you to imagine any republivn females as being hot in any way, but when you think about it, Laura, Bush (preident's wife) she is kind of hot. ever see any pictures of her when she was younger?
she was fine!
nice body, nice everything. she still is good looking.
1. I think you might of missed the point a bit
2. what the **** are you on? Do you seriously think that, because of my 'liberal bias' (by the way, I don't affiliate myself with Repub or Democrat, liberal or conservative...I agree with a little bit from both major parties, and disagree with some from both too...), that I think republican women are nasty?

[Bud-Litebulb]

Do you seriously think that, because of my 'liberal bias' (by the way, I don't affiliate myself with Repub or Democrat, liberal or conservative...I agree with a little bit from both major parties, and disagree with some from both too...), that I think republican women are nasty?

Yes.
I just named one republican woman who I think is hot.
Can you? Go ahead, do it!

No, of course not. Because you are a biased and blinded ostrich with its head in the sand unicyclist.

And you ARE a liberal. LIBERAL LIBERAL!! Don't be ashamed of it, dont suddenly start in with this little bit of this or little bit of that stuff. Be proud of being a liberal! My Dad is a liberal, and he is proud of it. My girlfriend (the hot one whom I unicycle for) is a liberal. Dont get all Kerryish on me and start moving to the chicken***t center! That is what is wrong with the democrats, they are just a bunch of wishy-washy middle of the road cowards! Like you, monkeyman, like you.

If I ever switch sides and decide to go left (which could happen because even I am getting sick of defending Bush and he is beginning to lose me too) if I ever go left, it will be ALL THE WAY, and not this middle of the road rabbit-pellet scardy-pants stuff. I'd be a red flag waving commie who believes in something before Id be a kerryish middle of the roader.

By the way, monkeyman, I think you have revealed who you think is hot, and it is the image of that guy you pasted in your last post! Talk about freuwdian slips! (not that there is anything wrong with that)

[siafirede]

Yes.
I just named one republican woman who I think is hot.
Can you? Go ahead, do it!

No, of course not. Because you are a biased and blinded ostrich with its head in the sand unicyclist.

And you ARE a liberal. LIBERAL LIBERAL!! Don't be ashamed of it, dont suddenly start in with this little bit of this or little bit of that stuff. Be proud of being a liberal! My Dad is a liberal, and he is proud of it. My girlfriend (the hot one whom I unicycle for) is a liberal. Dont get all Kerryish on me and start moving to the chicken***t center! That is what is wrong with the democrats, they are just a bunch of wishy-washy middle of the road cowards! Like you, monkeyman, like you.

If I ever switch sides and decide to go left (which could happen because even I am getting sick of defending Bush and he is beginning to lose me too) if I ever go left, it will be ALL THE WAY, and not this middle of the road rabbit-pellet scardy-pants stuff. I'd be a red flag waving commie who believes in something before Id be a kerryish middle of the roader.

By the way, monkeyman, I think you have revealed who you think is hot, and it is the image of that guy you pasted in your last post! Talk about freuwdian slips! (not that there is anything wrong with that)

I hope you are not old enough to vote yet.

[Seager]

So you can honestly say that if, before all of this, someone had started up a 'Unicycle for Atheists' Club, you'd be jsut as seemingly offended as you are now, and you'd be just as pissed?

Well, I'd think it was pretty retarded, but it probably wouldn't piss me off until the 2nd, 3rd, 4th thread etc that was posted about it. There are currently atleast 6 christian threads. (you'll notice I wasn't bitching when there WAS just one christian thread) Currently the athiest threads are simply a reply to the christian ones, which is also annoying because it gives the christian threads even more power to muddy up the forums. All we need is 1 thread for debate and maybe 1 thread where all the christians can go and agree with each other and hug. Any more is annoying.

[Gilby]

I may get flak for this but I'm moving it to Just Conversation where it belongs. Does wheel walking across water qualify as a level 12 skill? Since he created yet another thread, you got my approval to move this thread. Heck you could even move the others... maybe they belong instead in the trash receptacle.

__________________
>,<,> Swim, crawl, and unicycle for fun and survival >,<,>

[maestro8]

I hope you are not equipped to reproduce.
...'cause one troll on these fora is one troll too many

[skroboskim]

Since he created yet another thread, you got my approval to move this thread. Heck you could even move the others... maybe they belong instead in the trash receptacle.

__________________
>,<,> Swim, crawl, and unicycle for fun and survival >,<,>

the only reason i made another is because there were way too many off topic posts

[Gilby]

the only reason i made another is because there were way too many off topic posts Making another isn't going to solve a problem of people speaking their opinion, even if it was taught in the bible. It's only going to cause people to be more pissed off and voice louder.

[monkeyman]

Yes.
I just named one republican woman who I think is hot.
Can you? Go ahead, do it!

I can name many women who I tihnk are hot, and I have no idea what they think politically

And you ARE a liberal. LIBERAL LIBERAL!! Don't be ashamed of it, dont suddenly start in with this little bit of this or little bit of that stuff. Be proud of being a liberal! My Dad is a liberal, and he is proud of it. My girlfriend (the hot one whom I unicycle for) is a liberal. Dont get all Kerryish on me and start moving to the chicken***t center! That is what is wrong with the democrats, they are just a bunch of wishy-washy middle of the road cowards! Like you, monkeyman, like you.
I may have more liberal beliefs than conservative, but I refuse to be grouped in the the "Liberals"...I will call myself a liberal person, but I am not a Liberal...I'm my own person, and I think the Democrats are just as effed up as the Republicans

If I ever switch sides and decide to go left (which could happen because even I am getting sick of defending Bush and he is beginning to lose me too) if I ever go left, it will be ALL THE WAY, and not this middle of the road rabbit-pellet scardy-pants stuff. I'd be a red flag waving commie who believes in something before Id be a kerryish middle of the roader.
Why? Are you trying to prove some point here? What the hell would that accomplish? You acting like there are only two sides to believe...that is exactly part of the problem I was talking about. There are more than two belief systems.
I do not support the war
I do not support Bush
I do not support Abortion
I do support gay marriage
I think that if you sue someone frivolously, you pay court costs if you lose
Less taxing, better spending.
I'm not a LIBERAL, and I'm not a CONSERVATIVE...why should you be? Be your own person, not a puppet


By the way, monkeyman, I think you have revealed who you think is hot, and it is the image of that guy you pasted in your last post! Talk about freuwdian slips! (not that there is anything wrong with that)
You know what makes your insults so much less degrading?
That you immediately cover yourself afterwards for the other people who are reading. You pretty much call me gay, and then say theres nothing wrong with that, to appease anyone you might have offended.
And how exactly does posting a picture of a guy mean you find guys hot? People post pictures of Jesus on here all the time.
Does that mean they think Jesus is hot?
If you're going to try an insult me, at least make it a good one

[maestro8]

I've posted this before, but I think it needs to be posted again, especially for Bud-Litetroll and Monkeyman:
http://www.clint.ca/argue/argue.jpg

[James_Potter]

Hey man, don't be hatin', all you need is love.

[Bud-Litebulb]

You know what makes your insults so much less degrading?
That you immediately cover yourself afterwards for the other people who are reading. You pretty much call me gay, and then say theres nothing wrong with that, to appease anyone you might have offended.
And how exactly does posting a picture of a guy mean you find guys hot? People post pictures of Jesus on here all the time.
Does that mean they think Jesus is hot?
If you're going to try an insult me, at least make it a good one
Duh. DUH!
I was being SARCASTIC , numbskull, SARCASTIC which is what YOU always claim to be. I guess you can dish it out, but you can't take it.
You STARTED the homo-calling by saying in an earlier post that "You blindly follow Bush...I hope you don't think that he's hot" which was a sarcastic remark that deserved a sarcastic answer and that is why I made the joke that you as a liberal could not find any republican women hot, which you took WAY TOO SERIOUSLY, as if I actually care who you might consider hot, and you deliver your uptight diatribe agaist me, saying "what the **** are you on?" then you post that idiotic picture of that bald guy with the word DUMBASS on it, which could only mean that you are calling me a dumbass, so of course I respond with the EXACT SAME BRAND OF SARCASTIC HUMOR that you tossed at me when you made the dumb joke about "You blindly follow Bush...I hope you don't think that he's hot"--I threw it right back at you, and here you are getting all huffy and puffy thinking I called you gay--well YOU SUGGESTED THE SAME THING ABOUT ME and I think I have a right to give you back a taste of your own medicine.

I was just talking about my girlfriend when you had to inject the Bush remark.

Read the posts. YOU are the one who started with the homo stuff.
YOU are the one who can dish it out, but can't take it.

Oh, and the political positions? not too different than yours. Even more left than you, in some way.

I support the war (but I am starting to shift)
I support Bush (for now)
I do support Abortion
I do support gay marriage
I think that if you sue someone frivolously, you pay court costs if you lose
Less taxing, better spending.
I support nationalizing Health care if the private sector does not get its act together within 5 years
I support free college tuition
I do NOT like Rush Limbaugh
I like Sean Hannity

Some might think this makes me a left wing liberal, but my reasons are based in conservative positions.

But who cares. All you want to do is pick fights with me.

You claim in some earlier threads to be so cool with sarcasm, but it seems to me that you can't take it.
You can't take it.

[Bud-Litebulb]

Hey man, don't be hatin', all you need is love.
Very true, Mr Potter, very true.

[red_rider]

I've posted this before, but I think it needs to be posted again, especially for Bud-Litetroll and Monkeyman:
http://www.clint.ca/argue/argue.jpg
That has got to be the least tasteful thing in this forum. If you were going for lack of integrity, you got my vote!!

[Seager]

Well, distasteful as it may be, it seems right at home in this thread.

[skroboskim]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nachos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8
13.unijesse
14.UNIquelyCanadian

[UniBrier]

I've posted this before, but I think it needs to be posted again,As penance for posting this more than once and before you post it again, read this thread (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38687) in its entirety.

[skroboskim]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nachos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8
13.unijesse
14.UNIquelyCanadian
15.unicycle dave

[king cutecore]

hey i realy hope your intention when making this thread wasnt just to start some internet arguements cause its not exactly hard to do but it really isnt nice.

i was just wondering what you actualy mean when you say unicycle for christ or whatever it is cause after all this i stil dont actualy know what it is, is it a group and if so what do u do?

i dont understand why its a problem for all you haters that some christian unicyclists want to talk on the internet but as i said i could be misunderstanding the aims of the thread.

anyway i think for those who are just going to argue or be mean maybe you should reconsider.. please. just let them have their group if you dont like it then dont read the threads, everyone knows that people who argue hard on the internet and pretend to be super cool are usualy losers in the real world so maybe if you only write the nice messages you think of you can spend more time off the internet having fun and moving away from becoming one of those horrible internet meanys... thats right i actualy wrote meany but who really cares, nobody thats who.

[skroboskim]

ok... unicycling for christ is just riding for christ, but i want to make a club out of it

[Seager]

i dont understand why its a problem for all you haters that some christian unicyclists want to talk on the internet but as i said i could be misunderstanding the aims of the thread.

Well, us "haters" don't mind one thread on it. We mind 6-7 threads spreading across both forums all about the same thing - seeking to divide the small group of unicyclers into sub-groups.

[madmattunipro]

I think some stickers would be awesome.

[skroboskim]

Well, us "haters" don't mind one thread on it. We mind 6-7 threads spreading across both forums all about the same thing - seeking to divide the small group of unicyclers into sub-groups.

this is no attempt to divide the sport of unicycling into sub groups... that was the "unicycle for (other thing such as anti-christ)" so please don't blame me for it :(

[Seager]

I believe that you had/have the best of intentions, and this, like everything else, will pass shortly.

[king cutecore]

well i think it all sounds pretty nice. i didnt mean to spur the arguement i can see wer you come from with being annoyed but i do think that you should all just ignore it if thats how you feel.

[skroboskim]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nachos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8
13.unijesse
14.UNIquelyCanadian
15.unicycle dave
16.could be you!!!

[Bud-Litebulb]

ok... unicycling for christ is just riding for christ, but i want to make a club out of it
can you elaborate a little on that? I mean, does it mean that you say a prayer before you ride, as you ride you say another prayer, then when you finish you say a prayer of thanks to Jesus for giving you the power to be able to ride the unicycle?
dont take this the wrong way, I am actually curious as to what it means when people say that they do an activity for Christ. Maybe you might even get more people to join your club if it is explained more clearly what it is to ride for Christ.
How does one ride for christ?

[skroboskim]

can you elaborate a little on that? I mean, does it mean that you say a prayer before you ride, as you ride you say another prayer, then when you finish you say a prayer of thanks to Jesus for giving you the power to be able to ride the unicycle?
dont take this the wrong way, I am actually curious as to what it means when people say that they do an activity for Christ. Maybe you might even get more people to join your club if it is explained more clearly what it is to ride for Christ.
How does one ride for christ?
you ride for christ by just that ... you do your tricks for christ (like you would do something for a friend if they wanted you to) ... it helps a lot with some things (major confidence boost), but the praying thing is up to the individual person- if you want to pray before/after/while you ride then go for it

[Gilby]

It's just a mental thing... it's all in the mind. ;)

[lucky_8]

oh yeah... lets make a continuing list of members here...

skroboskim
juggle 508
jerrick
forrestunifreak
jungauni
madmattunipro
foxx?
caw89
gordythegon


and how does this sound lets leave the antichrist comments to themselves and not fight them because we don't have to ... if they want a valid conversation about this ... the other post already has that!

add me

[lucky_8]

never mind i saw it

[Bud-Litebulb]

you ride for christ by just that ... you do your tricks for christ (like you would do something for a friend if they wanted you to) ... it helps a lot with some things (major confidence boost), but the praying thing is up to the individual person- if you want to pray before/after/while you ride then go for it
Very cool approach.
I respect you and the others for this creative mix of prayer and action. and i like the confidence boost part also. Good luck with your group!

[skroboskim]

Very cool approach.
I respect you and the others for this creative mix of prayer and action. and i like the confidence boost part also. Good luck with your group!

thank you :)

[Jim_Rob]

... but now I decided to branch out and unicycle for the Anti-Christ.
Hmmmmm, if the people unicycling for Christ meet up with those unicycling for the Anti-Christ.............

I predict Gamma Rays will result

[BornUgly]

I think it would end as 666's and angel wings flying everywhere. Maybe even the end of the world. :eek:

[James_Potter]

Hmmmmm, if the people unicycling for Christ meet up with those unicycling for the Anti-Christ.............
It would be the same as antimatter coming in contact with matter...it'll cause a big ol' explosion.

[JJuggle]

J.D. Salinger's wonderful novel Franny and Zooey deals largely with Franny's existential crisis. At one point her brother Zooey relates this to her (Seymour is their brother who commits suicide in the short story A Perfect Day for Banana Fish):

"Seymour'd told me to shine my shoes just as I was going out the door with Waker. I was furious. The studio audience were all morons, the announcer was a moron, the sponsors were morons, and I just damn well wasn't going to shine my shoes for them, I told Seymour. I said they couldn't see them anyway, where we sat. He said to shine them anyway. He said to shine them for the Fat Lady. I didn't know what the hell he was talking about, but he had a very Seymour look on his face, and so I did it. He never did tell me who the Fat Lady was, but I shined my shoes for the Fat Lady every time I ever went on the air again—all the years you and I were on the program together, if you remember. I don't think I missed more than just a couple of times. This terribly clear, clear picture of the Fat Lady formed in my mind. I had her sitting on this porch all day, swatting flies, with her radio going full-blast from morning till night. I figured the heat was terrible, and she probably had cancer, and—I don't know. Anyway, it seemed goddam clear why Seymour wanted me to shine my shoes when I went on the air. It made sense."

This is a spoiler, but here are his subsequent comments to Franny:

"I don't care where an actor acts. It can be in summer stock, it can be over a radio, it can be over television, it can be in a goddam Broadway theatre, complete with the most fashionable, most well-fed, most sunburned-looking audience you can imagine. But I'll tell you a terrible secret—Are you listening to me? There isn't anyone out there who isn't Seymour's Fat Lady. That includes your Professor Tupper, buddy. And all his goddam cousins by the dozens. There isn't anyone anywhere that isn't Seymour's Fat Lady. Don't you know that? Don't you know that goddam secret yet? And don't you know—listen to me, now—don't you know who that Fat Lady really is? . . . Ah, buddy. Ah, buddy. It's Christ Himself. Christ Himself, buddy."

So in a sense we all unicycle for Christ. I know I try to.

Good book, by the way. Highly recommended.

[Jim_Rob]

It would be the same as antimatter coming in contact with matter...it'll cause a big ol' explosion.
In collisions at non-relativistic velocities, the energy is released as gamma rays.

[madmattunipro]

Really the name Unicycle for Christ doesn't describe what it's about.

We all unicycle to "obtain" things. I unicycle to "obtain" fun, I use it to challenge myself, to go places. These are things I get from unicycling. Unicycling for Christ is giving the time I spend on a uni. I reconize that every breath I take into my lungs is a gift, so I choose to give my time, including the time I spend on my unicycle, to Christ. Really, it should be "Live for Christ," and it is, UFCers are just showing where their priorities lie. We are saying that even while we are on our unicycles, we are dedicated to Christ.

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=196477&g2

[GILD]

As penance for posting this more than once and before you post it again, read this thread (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38687) in its entirety.
Steve, since the first time I remember it being posted on this forum, your opposition to that picture has been steadfast and unwavering yet civilised and polite.
I can only hope that potential re-posters of that picture will act with even a fraction of that.



Maestro, that pic is beneath you.




I have a b*cycle at home.
Can I unicycle for Darwin?

[BillyTheMountain]

Really the name Unicycle for Christ doesn't describe what it's about.

We all unicycle to "obtain" things. I unicycle to "obtain" fun, I use it to challenge myself, to go places. These are things I get from unicycling. Unicycling for Christ is giving the time I spend on a uni. I reconize that every breath I take into my lungs is a gift, so I choose to give my time, including the time I spend on my unicycle, to Christ. Really, it should be "Live for Christ," and it is, UFCers are just showing where their priorities lie. We are saying that even while we are on our unicycles, we are dedicated to Christ.

http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=196477&g2

Except that everyone who is saved is unicycling. it's in the Bible. :D

It has to do with constantly reminding oneself of Oneness and Balance....

[skroboskim]

a continuing list of members here...

1.skroboskim
2.juggle 508
3.jerrick
4.forrestunifreak
5.jungauni
6.madmattunipro
7.foxx?
8.caw89
9.gordythegon
10.nachos
11.bornugly
12.lucky_8
13.unijesse
14.UNIquelyCanadian
15.unicycle dave
16.Tim
17.onewheelisbetter
18.heinrich


you people rock!

[maestro8]

a continuing list of members here...
What's with the subdivision of our already meager community? Are you trying to break off into your own sect? Is there something "wrong" with the rest of us, that you have to separate yourselves from us? :confused:

[skroboskim]

What's with the subdivision of our already meager community? Are you trying to break off into your own sect? Is there something "wrong" with the rest of us, that you have to separate yourselves from us? :confused:
no there is no attempt to seperate from the rest of you ... i ride w/ a guy who is def. not christian ... and he doesn't care that i made this ... we just don't talk about it too much ... so please don't think that we are trying to seperate from the rest of you guys ... in fact i think im going to try to make a little "off road" course over by his house tomorrow ... hopefully (if hes not too busy being high :confused: )

[maestro8]

please don't think that we are trying to seperate from the rest of you guys ...
the fact that you're continually spamming both RSU and JC with your list of riders (based solely on religion) leads me to believe that you are trying to create a group that's separate from "the rest of us guys".

[Jerrick]

You can think that then, but its not true.

[Seager]

alright, you need to learn how to make a website. Maybe unicycleforchrist.com and update the member list there instead of endlessly cross-posting and bumping this thread.

[uni4christ]

oohh im hardcore about this

UNI4CHRIST 4 SHO

[uni4christ]

PM me if you want to join :/ and ill send you a PM w/ all the members if you want it and ill tell you about stickers and stuff too

[AscenXion]

I've posted this before, but I think it needs to be posted again, especially for Bud-Litetroll and Monkeyman:
http://www.clint.ca/argue/argue.jpg

That has got to be the least tasteful thing in this forum. If you were going for lack of integrity, you got my vote!!



Maestro, that pic is beneath you.


HA! That pic is hilarious. Sorry for bumping an old thread, and especially one that SHOULD remain dead. But I just had to say that i've read a lot of the things that you've posted, and every time I read something from you, I think more and more that we'd be great friends in real life. Then you post this, and I'm like, dude, where's he live, maybe I'll move. :)

Seriously, all the do-gooder pc ass wankers need to get with all the uni for hayzues people and lock themselves in a small garage, and learn to "Uni for Carbon Monoxide"

X

[yoopers]

HA! That pic is hilarious.
It has been posted before and is just as offensive and disrespectful as before.
My previous post about this picture:
Its as with most things. That which we don't know doesn't offend us. As my family is connected with and knowledgeable of the special needs of this great group of people, we are quite sensitive to pokes and jokes at their expense, especially for something over which they have absolutely no control.
[rare forum rant]You mention two other groups of people in your post. With an irreverent attitude such as yours, I can hardly believe you are 26 years old. You sound more like you're 13. Are we sure you're telling the truth here?

There are so many different kinds of people in the world. You've obviously shown your colors and proven that only a narrow band of people can exist in your world where you are an intolerant god.[/rare forum rant]

[ilosttheotherwheel]

guess what i got a surprise for all a ya. its a free country meaning he can post whatever he feels like. if he feels like supporting christ he has all the right to. im a christian and yes i do beleive that god sent his only son to die to wash away our sins. so you give a crap and dump on me.

[monkeyman]

guess what i got a surprise for all a ya. its a free country meaning he can post whatever he feels like. if he feels like supporting christ he has all the right to. im a christian and yes i do beleive that god sent his only son to die to wash away our sins. so you give a crap and dump on me.

Such a nice first impression you've made on the forums. Reviving a horrible flame war. If you took the time to look at the dates on this thread, it died a long time ago. Gilby (webmaster) locked it, because it was getting too heated.

To all the new people who read this:

The discussion is overdone, and not contributing to anything.

Let it die.

[Spudman]

He didn't revive it!

*points accusing finger at AscenXion*

[monkeyman]

He revived the actual discussion....AscenXion was just being a jackass.

Let's just stop posting, hopefully it'll die.

[TheObieOne3226]

We should have a crusade in the unicycling community but instead of killing non-christians we should kill all the idiots.

[dudewithasock]

Heehee...this thread is why I love the internet!

+1

[skrobo]

Heehee...this thread is why I love the internet!

+1
... im glad I could help fuel your love for the internet!!
now for my members list (not really)

gilby locked all the threads but one, thank God, I only wanted one to begin w/
oh well, Im still unicycling for Christ ... it doesn't matter if you are... unless you want it to (matter), then go ahead and do it

EDIT:I hope I don't get banned for posting here

[AscenXion]

You've obviously shown your colors and proven that only a narrow band of people can exist in your world where you are an intolerant god.[/rare forum rant]

I couldn't have said it better myself

[monkeyman]

I couldn't have said it better myself

"TROLL!!! TROLL IN THE DUNGEONS!!!
Though you ought to know..."

~Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone

[AscenXion]

"TROLL!!! TROLL IN THE DUNGEONS!!!
Though you ought to know..."


I contribute SOME things productively to this forum.

[monkeyman]

I contribute SOME things productively to this forum.

Your point? You're still a troll.

[dudewithasock]

Your point? You're still a troll.

+1

[yoopers]

I couldn't have said it better myself
Unfortunately, it wasn't meant as a compliment...but I know you are fully aware of that.

[skrobo]

+1
since when are we keeping score here... do I get a point ??
PLEASE

haha

[dudewithasock]

since when are we keeping score here... do I get a point ??
PLEASE

haha

No, that just means that I agree with what I quoted.

[skrobo]

guess what i got a surprise for all a ya. its a free country meaning he can post whatever he feels like. if he feels like supporting christ he has all the right to. im a christian and yes i do beleive that god sent his only son to die to wash away our sins. so you give a crap and dump on me.

... actually I can't post whatever I feel like ... well I usually can, but this is a family forum, and I don't want to change that @ all, I like it like that...

[skrobo]

cough**bump**cough
well, there is still an anti unicycle for CHRIST thread, so im bumping this one...
also to say that I am designing a T shirt, and would like designs, best one will be put on the T-shirt and your name will go on it somehow, unless you decide to keep that a secret.

[maestro8]

cough**bump**cough
cough**attention whore**cough

if you're really interested in your t-shirt idea, why don't you make a thread about that. i think you're just stirring the pot here.

[skrobo]

cough**attention whore**cough

if you're really interested in your t-shirt idea, why don't you make a thread about that. i think you're just stirring the pot here.
because if I just start a Unicycle For CHRIST t shirt thread then people will go there and dis on that idea, and I will get a 10x worse response, but I might as well do it
w/e ... it was your idea :)

[monkeyman]

He's not an attention whore...that's why he never brags about his sidehops.

He's a pretty humble dude, our Skrobo...

[skrobo]

He's not an attention whore...that's why he never brags about his sidehops.

He's a pretty humble dude, our Skrobo...
:)
actually you are right, i don't brag about my sidehops :)
they aren't very good

[monkeyman]

Pardon me, rolling hops.

[skrobo]

Pardon me, rolling hops.
:)
at least you got it right
:)
I think im over that, i just wanted to prove that I could to everyone that said I couldn't do it. Now i have done more than just that.

[swarbrim]

I think im over that, i just wanted to prove that I could to everyone that said I couldn't do it. Now i have done more than just that.

Did you?

Mike

[Dave Coleman]

Well, all this Unicycle for Christ controversy happened before my time, but it seems to me, from what ive read, that poor Skrobo is being absolutely ripped to shreads for simply - and calmly/humbly/unobstrusively - expressing his views, and asking those interested to join him and discuss them. I see no reason why his thread(s) should be set upon the way they are. I am also a Christian, and as far as i can see, share many of the same views as does Skrobo. This is irrelevent though when addressing the issue of respecting other's opinions instead of trashing them because you disagree with them. Of course, I may be entirely wrong, and Skrobo may be filled with malice and a stubborn determination to kick up a ruckus - i dont know him personally. But come on - i think we all can see (whether we believe in God or not) that the guy is a nice, wellbalanced and amiable fellow, who means no deliberate harm or disruption in any way. I have never seen a view or opinion posted by an obvious aetheist or non-Christian on this forum be shot down anything like what Skrobo's are (btw i really wish i knew your real name, i feel silly always writing Skrobo) - if at all. If there's anything that the Unicycling community as a whole DOESN'T need, its division among it's members, so i personally am going to make an effort to never belittle or attack someone elses opinion, whether it involves religion or not. And if i do, please feel free to give me a cybernetic kick in the pants. By the way, Skrobo, mate, count me in on the whole T-shirt thing, its a really good idea. :D

[mark williamson]

Well, I stayed out of these thread during the heated arguments when they were in progress. But I agree people were reading a bit too many negative ideas into skrobo's attempts for like-minded people to get together. It's nice that we're all united by unicycling but that doesn't mean we all have to be the same. Whilst there were quite a large number of threads on this subject, I don't entirely blame skrobo for persisting in trying to organise something unicycle related.

For the record, I'm atheist.

[cathwood]

Well, all this Unicycle for Christ controversy happened before my time, but it seems to me, from what ive read, that poor Skrobo is being absolutely ripped to shreads for simply - and calmly/humbly/unobstrusively - expressing his views, and asking those interested to join him and discuss them. I see no reason why his thread(s) should be set upon the way they are. I am also a Christian, and as far as i can see, share many of the same views as does Skrobo. This is irrelevent though when addressing the issue of respecting other's opinions instead of trashing them because you disagree with them. Of course, I may be entirely wrong, and Skrobo may be filled with malice and a stubborn determination to kick up a ruckus - i dont know him personally. But come on - i think we all can see (whether we believe in God or not) that the guy is a nice, wellbalanced and amiable fellow, who means no deliberate harm or disruption in any way. I have never seen a view or opinion posted by an obvious aetheist or non-Christian on this forum be shot down anything like what Skrobo's are (btw i really wish i knew your real name, i feel silly always writing Skrobo) - if at all. If there's anything that the Unicycling community as a whole DOESN'T need, its division among it's members, so i personally am going to make an effort to never belittle or attack someone elses opinion, whether it involves religion or not. And if i do, please feel free to give me a cybernetic kick in the pants. By the way, Skrobo, mate, count me in on the whole T-shirt thing, its a really good idea. :D

When the history of this thread and others like it was explained in another thread I guess something was left out. That thing is that this forum has a history of not liking to be excluded from any thread. So for instance, if you search for threads about and for women unicyclists, you will see posts from men in there; if there were threads that said 'men only' the girls would jump straight in; I'm sure that all the 'old farts' threads will have more than one post from someone under 20, and MR is also frequented by those over 30. In my understanding of it (and actually I think it was mentioned before) people didn't like being excluded by Skrobo. That was the problem. I think people have happily debated religion on more than several occasions but they didn't like being excluded from the threads in a 'if you're not a christian, don't post here' type of excluding way.

The ill feeling was nothing to do with religion, or unicycling but more to do with the dislike of being excluded from anywhere on this forum. Perhaps as unicyclists we feel the need to stick together and react strongly when someone tries to segregate us.

[GILD]

Could someone buy the lady a beer?
Thanx.

[toddw9]

The ill feeling was nothing to do with religion, or unicycling but more to do with the dislike of being excluded from anywhere on this forum. Perhaps as unicyclists we feel the need to stick together and react strongly when someone tries to segregate us.

I believe this to be exactly true. It gets taken to a ridiculous level. To me, it's similar to saying they shouldn't have a TCUC because I (and most other people that don't live in the area) can't make regular trips to Minnesota, therefore they are being exclusive based on geographic location.

I don't see that as any different from those that say they are being exclusive based on religion. The way I see it, if you were to move to Minneapolis/St. Paul, you would be more than welcome to join the TCUC. The same way, if you become a Christian, an open invitation has been given for you to join the Unicycle for Christ club.

I think having a club like this unites unicyclists rather than segregates them. We all have lives apart from unicycling, and meeting people with multiple similar interests other than unicycling can go a long way.

It also seems people think it's ok to harp on Christians. I would be interested to see what would happen if somebody tried to start a Muslim, Hindu, or Jewish unicycling club. It seems to me that if somebody expressed a negative attitude towards them, immediately they would be reprimanded as being intolerant. People seem to get offended "on behalf" of the people being attacked. But it's ok to attack them if they're Christians. What's with the double standard?

[cathwood]

I believe this to be exactly true. It gets taken to a ridiculous level. To me, it's similar to saying they shouldn't have a TCUC because I (and most other people that don't live in the area) can't make regular trips to Minnesota, therefore they are being exclusive based on geographic location.

I don't see that as any different from those that say they are being exclusive based on religion. The way I see it, if you were to move to Minneapolis/St. Paul, you would be more than welcome to join the TCUC. The same way, if you become a Christian, an open invitation has been given for you to join the Unicycle for Christ club.

I think having a club like this unites unicyclists rather than segregates them. We all have lives apart from unicycling, and meeting people with multiple similar interests other than unicycling can go a long way.

It also seems people think it's ok to harp on Christians. I would be interested to see what would happen if somebody tried to start a Muslim, Hindu, or Jewish unicycling club. It seems to me that if somebody expressed a negative attitude towards them, immediately they would be reprimanded as being intolerant. People seem to get offended "on behalf" of the people being attacked. But it's ok to attack them if they're Christians. What's with the double standard?

As for the first part of what you have said. I wasn't saying it was either right or wrong, I was just saying that is how it is here in the unicycle fora. It is a part of who we are and probably responsible for a lot of the good feeling as well as this bit of not so good feeling.

As for the second bit. Well, you seem to want it both ways. Either the people on the forum don't like to be segragated and it is nothing to do with anything else, or we are purposefully attacking Christians. Personally I haven't seen many threads saying 'Muslim unicyclists only, butt out everybody else'.

[toddw9]

As for the second bit. Well, you seem to want it both ways. Either the people on the forum don't like to be segragated and it is nothing to do with anything else, or we are purposefully attacking Christians. Personally I haven't seen many threads saying 'Muslim unicyclists only, butt out everybody else'.

I'm not saying I want it both ways, that's just the way it appears to me. I think the attacking of the Christians in the thread is a direct result of their perception of the thread, which they see as creating a segregation. I don't think they mean to exclude anyone. Anyone who becomes a Christian is welcome to join, and it's not like if they were to meet somebody else out riding who wasn't part of the UFC club, they would be ignored.

As far as the muslim threads, I think the muslim population on this forum is pretty sparse, that's probably why there haven't been any threads on it. I was merely pointing out what I think would happen if one were started and somebody expressed a negative opinion in it.

I also haven't read the Christian threads to say "butt out everybody else". I see them as a place where he's asking if people want to join his club, and is asking others not to start a big religious debate about it, a request that some people can't respect. All he's asking for is a thread where Christians can get to know each other on the forum without everybody else voicing their opinion on what they think of Christianity. I think it's a very simple request.

[cathwood]

I'm not saying I want it both ways, that's just the way it appears to me. I think the attacking of the Christians in the thread is a direct result of their perception of the thread, which they see as creating a segregation. I don't think they mean to exclude anyone. Anyone who becomes a Christian is welcome to join, and it's not like if they were to meet somebody else out riding who wasn't part of the UFC club, they would be ignored.



Well this kind of just proves my point.

And who are the 'they' s that you refer to?

[toddw9]

Well this kind of just proves my point.

And who are the 'they' s that you refer to?

I suppose the theys are kind of mixed up in my post.

I think the attacking of the Christians in the thread is a direct result of their perception of the thread, which they see as creating a segregation.

This particular 'they' refers to those that actively voice their protest in the so-called 'Christian' threads.


I don't think they mean to exclude anyone. Anyone who becomes a Christian is welcome to join, and it's not like if they were to meet somebody else out riding who wasn't part of the UFC club...

This 'they' refers to those that Unicycle for Christ.


..., they would be ignored.]

And this 'they' refers to the non-UFC people that the UFC members might happen to meet while out riding sometime.

[Dave Coleman]

When the history of this thread and others like it was explained in another thread I guess something was left out. That thing is that this forum has a history of not liking to be excluded from any thread. So for instance, if you search for threads about and for women unicyclists, you will see posts from men in there; if there were threads that said 'men only' the girls would jump straight in; I'm sure that all the 'old farts' threads will have more than one post from someone under 20, and MR is also frequented by those over 30. In my understanding of it (and actually I think it was mentioned before) people didn't like being excluded by Skrobo. That was the problem. I think people have happily debated religion on more than several occasions but they didn't like being excluded from the threads in a 'if you're not a christian, don't post here' type of excluding way.

The ill feeling was nothing to do with religion, or unicycling but more to do with the dislike of being excluded from anywhere on this forum. Perhaps as unicyclists we feel the need to stick together and react strongly when someone tries to segregate us.

That makes a lot of sense. And while I'm sure Skrobo would neve actually want to deliberately segregate our community - at least not in a negative fashion - i can clearly see where you would be coming from, so im sorry if my little rant caused any offence.

[skrobo]

wow, that was really worth reading, i saw all the long posts and thought that the religious battle had begun again, and almost didn't read it. I agree with you guys, maybe my views are a little different, but we are all a little different aren't we? this forum was created so that we could communicate with people with like interests to us. I understand where the Non CHRISTians are coming from, but to tell you the truth, this whole thing has taught me a lot more than it would seem.

-stephen- l still ><> unicycle for CHRIST <><

[monkeyman]

I think the other 'main thing' was that you kept making threads about it.

[skrobo]

I think the other 'main thing' was that you kept making threads about it.
i still think it belongs in RSU, but putting it there got me banned, so i think i will not push it too hard in RSU because thats what causes problems, but i will post the T shirt design(s) there once I get them done and voted on and all that, it will be like 2 weeks.

[Gilby]

i still think it belongs in RSU, but putting it there got me banned, so i think i will not push it too hard in RSU because thats what causes problems, but i will post the T shirt design(s) there once I get them done and voted on and all that, it will be like 2 weeks. You were banned because you posted many threads with the uni for christ message. That's spam.

[unibabyguy]

I think people have happily debated religion on more than several occasions but they didn't like being excluded from the threads in a 'if you're not a christian, don't post here' type of excluding way.

I think you are misinterpreting what he wrote. In the first post to this thread he asked people not to post in this thread if they were not supportive of his club.

He's only excluding critics of his club, he's not excluding non-christians. It's an important difference that a lot of people have missed.

[monkeyman]

I think you are misinterpreting what he wrote. In the first post to this thread he asked people not to post in this thread if they were not supportive of his club.

He's only excluding critics of his club, he's not excluding non-christians. It's an important difference that a lot of people have missed.

Yes, but what started it all off was this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49089).

What he says can easily be interpreted as "atheists, you aren't wanted"

[toddw9]

Yes, but what started it all off was this (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49089).

What he says can easily be interpreted as "atheists, you aren't wanted"

That's very true, and that statement got people all over him. He learned from his mistake, note the phrasing on this thread.

This one got a little off topic though after all. It's a little more pleasant than has been the history of threads containing the word "Christ" in the subject line.

[Seager]

Man, did this really originally happen way back in May? How the time flies.

I figured you guys would have grown out of religion by now. :)

//edit:// HAHA, this is my 666th post.

[monkeyman]

Geez...I was skimming through some of the UFC stuff, and it really did get way out of hand...I really regret taking part in that...I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike/disliked me because of it.

[James_Potter]

Why must everyone argue?
Live and let live, I say.
That's all I have to say about that.

[foforackard]

I would love to join. Jesus rocks!

[Seager]

//edit:

Decided not to post essay on Christianity that could be taken the wrong way and wasn't necessary to post.

You guys have fun. Thanks for keeping it down to one thread this time.

[Jerrick]

A good religion is one that gives a person a feeling of self worth and wholeness but does not make the person feel the need to advertise it. A bad religion is one that gives a person an overwhelming need to talk about it all the damn time, make clubs devoted to it, and mention it in their signature.


With how you mentioned a good religion, that how I felt when I became a born again Christian, and it is how I still feel now. I don't go around yelling or making clubs screaming I am Christian and tyring to force other to convert and make it feel I am ramming my religion of choice down their throats. If I did that, it wouldnt work. The more you force something like that on them, the less they will want it and soon will come to hating it.

The times when I do talk about being Christian, is in my sig line, so does that make me bad? I also mention it if people ask about me, like a short biography, I will put that I am Christian in it. Because of the small times that I do mention I am Christian and talk about it, does that make you mad? OR is it just when people go over the line about it?

[toddw9]

The times when I do talk about being Christian, is in my sig line, so does that make me bad? I also mention it if people ask about me, like a short biography, I will put that I am Christian in it. Because of the small times that I do mention I am Christian and talk about it, does that make you mad? OR is it just when people go over the line about it?

I feel the same way... I am not ashamed of the fact that I am a Christian, and I want people to know it, but I don't want them to feel I am forcing it on them. If it's seriously getting in the way of having a perfectly decent conversation with somebody, the problem is probably me. As a Christian, I should still be able to have perfectly normal relationships with people who are not Christians, though I may have a different set of beliefs and live my life a different way.

[pixystix6]

I'll join!

I have strong faith in my beliefs. I was born and raised christian. My parents are ex-druggies and the strongest people I've ever meet in their faith. And reading through this thread, it looks like alot of the poeple who are try8ing to stare an argument about christianity don't know the first thing about it. First off, Christianity is not a religion. you can be catholic(which is a religion) and be a christian. Now, christianiy is a set of belifes, but states int he bible it is not classifide as a religion. Alls it means is that you've excepted Jesus Christ as your lord and saver! :D

Sorry for bringing up a post that could lead to an agument. Please just read it and keep your thoughts to yourself, if you want to argue with me, come find me and we'll talk.

[johnfoss]

The more you force something like that on them, the less they will want it and soon will come to hating it.
Well said. That's why today I generally won't even *start* to listen to someone who wants to:
- Sell me insurance
- Talk to me about my mortgage
- Try to con me into a timeshare presentation
- Assume I'm looking to change beliefs

If unicycling for Christ works for you, that should be fine with others. Enjoy!

[skrobo]

hey guys, i will be gone until thursday so i will try to get the design done by not next weekend, but the one after, umm ... i think thats all ... welcome to the "club" pixystix6 and foforackard

[GILD]

As a Christian, I should still be able to have perfectly normal relationships with people who are not Christians, though I may have a different set of beliefs and live my life a different way.
Interesting.
I never knew.
And we've always gotten along pretty swimmingly, despite the fact that organised religion in general, and christianity in particular (probably because I've been most exposed to it), offends me in a deep and profound manner.

Geez...I was skimming through some of the UFC stuff, and it really did get way out of hand...I really regret taking part in that...I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike/disliked me because of it.
On the flip-side, some people have also really liked a lot of the stuff you've said.

[cathwood]

As a Christian, I should still be able to have perfectly normal relationships with people who are not Christians, though I may have a different set of beliefs and live my life a different way.

I don't like the word 'should'. What does it mean anyway? Either you can or you can't have perfectly 'normal' (whatever that means) relationships with people who are not Christians. 'Should' implies that it's some kind of rule that you do. Who said you should?

This is my anti-should rant. :D

[monkeyman]

Cathy, you really should be able to have a nice conversation without ranting....:p


On the flip-side, some people have also really liked a lot of the stuff you've said.

aw, shucks....

[GILD]

Todd's 'should' in that post seems to me to rather have bearing on the fact that we're not 'perfect' as people.
While he knows that such a thing (normal relationships) are possible, he may not always be able to maintain them.
He suggests that the fault lies with him, but it takes two to tango.

[BillyTheMountain]

Geez...I was skimming through some of the UFC stuff, and it really did get way out of hand...I really regret taking part in that...I'm pretty sure a lot of people dislike/disliked me because of it.

All is forgiven, my child.

May you be showered with divine mercy and compassion.

[yoopers]

And we've always gotten along pretty swimmingly, despite the fact that organised religion in general, and christianity in particular (probably because I've been most exposed to it), offends me in a deep and profound manner.
As a tribute to Dave, it speaks highly of someone who is separated from another by such a belief chasm, can discuss the differences openly, and still can maintain a level of maturity and open-mindedness in the relationships. You could almost say it's what makes the world go 'round. We need more like that.

Dave and I are also on opposite ends of the belief spectrum yet I consider him a profound friend. All that aside, we do compete for top dog in the silliness arena. I think I'm still trailing by a few points there.

[GILD]

To paraphrase Bart Simpson, "you couldn't outsilly me on your silliest day using an electronic silly machine".

In my earlier days on this forum (some posters may recall) my attacks on religion in general and christianity in particular were rather more virulent. I made the decision to temper them as a direct result of interacting with Bruce. I got to admire his calm and respectfull way of comporting himself publicwise, oh my brother, and decided that I needed a bit more of that in my life.
A lot of thinking that went into my 'Evangelical Atheism' stemmed from that period as well.
Basically the realisation that I couldn't argue someone to my position. They had to do that themselves. My task was simply to go about myself in such a way as to provide a 'good' example of life as an atheist.
I pay my taxes, I help my landlady with her rubbish, that kind of thing.
If I can provide an example of a righteous life, without having to willingly suspend disbelief, then I've won.

I think.

Therefore I am sillier than Bruce.

So there.


(But on my silliest day, using that electronic silly machine, I could never top th (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showpost.php?p=301423&postcount=22)is.

[yoopers]

(But on my silliest day, using that electronic silly machine, I could never top th (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showpost.php?p=301423&postcount=22)is.
That brought a laugh. :p Thanks. I'd forgotten about that.

Too bad he didn't win. I could have told my grandkids someday that I'd known the pope personally.

[cathwood]

Since this is a Christian place, I would like to ask you a question.

I'm interested in where the devil fits into your beliefs. This seems to be more open to interpretation but I'm not sure. People never seem to talk about him/her/it in the same 'real' way they talk about God. In fact people seem rarely to talk about the devil outside horror movies and yet obviously there is stuff that is described as 'evil' in the world.

[BillyTheMountain]

Since this is a Christian place, I would like to ask you a question.

I'm interested in where the devil fits into your beliefs. This seems to be more open to interpretation but I'm not sure. People never seem to talk about him/her/it in the same 'real' way they talk about God. In fact people seem rarely to talk about the devil outside horror movies and yet obviously there is stuff that is described as 'evil' in the world.

The devil is the mischievous aspect of yourself that made you post this.

[toddw9]

Todd's 'should' in that post seems to me to rather have bearing on the fact that we're not 'perfect' as people.
While he knows that such a thing (normal relationships) are possible, he may not always be able to maintain them.
He suggests that the fault lies with him, but it takes two to tango.

Thank you Dave, that's exactly what my 'should' meant.

I rarely have trouble with my beliefs as a Christian interfering with normal relationships with other people, so in my particular case, if there is a problem, I don't necessarily think that the fault lies with me, though I won't deny that it is a possibility.

You're right that it takes two to tango, but it only takes one of them to make things difficult or awkward. Tolerance is something that only goes so far. Everybody has limits to what they can (and should) put up with. There is a point where people need to separate themselves from something that is causing a problem.

Let's pretend I never said the fault lies with me, and hopefully this clarifies what I really meant.

I meant that I should be able to have a normal conversation with somebody without my beliefs interfering. At the same time I do need to maintain my integrity with respect to what I believe. I think that can be done perfectly well without annoying people. If the mere fact that I am a Christian is causing problems in an otherwise normal relationship, the fault in that case probably does not lie with me. That includes conversations where we are talking directly about religion or issues that religion generally plays a factor in (i.e. homosexuality or abortion). Merely expressing our opinions and the reasons behind them is not pushing anything on anybody. However, if it comes down to one person saying "you need to believe this", or "you're wrong", then we have an issue. I feel that this happens far too often with Christians imposing their beliefs on others.

[yoopers]

Basically the realisation that I couldn't argue someone to my position. They had to do that themselves. My task was simply to go about myself in such a way as to provide a 'good' example of life as an atheist.

My line of thinking as a Christian, 'cept over here it's called relational evangelism. This is why I don't participate heavily in debates on religion or politics in the forums, although I enjoy reading most of it. I am not going to debate someone into my way of thinking. If anything, arguing usually has the opposite effect of solidifying one more deeply into their side of the argument. I would much rather live as a Christian and draw others to notice Jesus by my actions. Once that's accomplished, conversation fits in very nicely. St. Francis of Assisi once said, "Preach the Gospel always. If necessary, use words."

But there is a new thought here that I hadn't realized before. Christians, or I suppose most faiths for that matter, are commissioned to build into the faith family in order to provide a means to eternal life to lost souls. Athiests do not believe in a God and therefore would not normally be interested in bringing others into their...what do I call it, faith? lack of faith? maybe way of thinking? Without a god, there is no need to provide a means to a struture of eternal life. Anyway, it would stand to reason in my mind that an athiest shouldn't mind if others have a faith. Matter of fact, perhaps athiests should welcome the faiths of others as usually a normal religious doctrine teaches with a goal of developing a better person. Better people make for a better world.

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?

[cathwood]

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?

I'm not, but maybe that's a personal thing. People can believe what they like. Whatever helps you get through the hard times in life.

[monkeyman]

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?

Read through some of the thread...some people are very violently atheist, and will say anything to 'prove' that their is no god

[yoopers]

Read through some of the thread...some people are very violently atheist, and will say anything to 'prove' that their is no god
I know. And I don't care for the antics of the violently atheist any more than I care for the negative publicity of overpowering, in-your-face Christians.

[monkeyman]

What do you call a cross between a Jehovah's Witness and an Atheist?



Someone who knocks on your door for no reason

[cathwood]

Read through some of the thread...some people are very violently atheist, and will say anything to 'prove' that their is no god

Ok, i have read through this thread twice, in the horrific thought that you might have been talking about me, since your post came after mine. You weren't. But neither cna I find anyone trying to prove that there is no god. All I can see is poor skrobro trying to set up a 'christian' unicyclist club, the people who want to join and other people who are objecting because: 1) in his efforts to do this he actually spammed the forum, 2) they objected to the segregation of the forum in this way. Some of the posts got pretty nasty and personal, but I read no arguments on the non existence of god from either aetheists or practitioners of other religions.

[toddw9]

My line of thinking as a Christian, 'cept over here it's called relational evangelism. This is why I don't participate heavily in debates on religion or politics in the forums, although I enjoy reading most of it. I am not going to debate someone into my way of thinking. If anything, arguing usually has the opposite effect of solidifying one more deeply into their side of the argument. I would much rather live as a Christian and draw others to notice Jesus by my actions. Once that's accomplished, conversation fits in very nicely. St. Francis of Assisi once said, "Preach the Gospel always. If necessary, use words."


Bruce, I have a lot of respect for the way you approach the forums. I think you provide a good example of how a Christian is to conduct themselves. It is well known through this forum that you are a Christian, and you still have the respect from the vast majority of the forum.

Dave (GILD) is vocal about his stance towards Christianity and religion in general. Still, he too is quite amiable among the forum.

I really appreciate how two people from completely opposite ends can put their differences aside and have not only a decent conversation about just about anything, but a friendship as well.

[toddw9]

I know. And I don't care for the antics of the violently atheist any more than I care for the negative publicity of overpowering, in-your-face Christians.

Very true. It's less evident in this thread than past threads. I think slowly we're (we meaning the forum in general) getting used to where everybody else stands, and realizing it's not up to us to change their minds for them; they have to do that for themselves.

[monkeyman]

Ok, i have read through this thread twice, in the horrific thought that you might have been talking about me, since your post came after mine. You weren't. But neither cna I find anyone trying to prove that there is no god. All I can see is poor skrobro trying to set up a 'christian' unicyclist club, the people who want to join and other people who are objecting because: 1) in his efforts to do this he actually spammed the forum, 2) they objected to the segregation of the forum in this way. Some of the posts got pretty nasty and personal, but I read no arguments on the non existence of god from either aetheists or practitioners of other religions.

Oh no, I didn't mean you at all...you're one o' them nice old folks on the board.
"prove" probably wasn't the right word..."attack" probably fits better. And I think it's more evident in the thread that was originally in RSU

[yoopers]

you're one o' them nice OLD folks on the board.
You were doing so well up to that point... :)

[monkeyman]

You were doing so well up to that point... :)
Well, you and Steve Dekeokeok are the old guys...

[BillyTheMountain]

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?

Only the ones who lack the courage of their convictions.

They don't want to be all alone waiting outside the gates of paradise.

[GILD]

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?

The Answer: Not neccesarily.
I'm of the opinion (and this is going to read as pretty viscious, know that it's not intended in that way, just can't think of another way to put it that won't have me here typing for the rest of the day) that christians aren't using their minds. And please note that I'm not calling christians stupid, so save me the list of famous, clever christians, I'm saying they don't apply those minds to this part of their lives.
They've suspended their critical facility, they've willingly suspended their disbelief to make the act of belief possible and as such, are selling themselves short.

I'm of the opinion that most people, given the information and the mindset to question, will realise that organised religion is something that was cobbled together by a 'priest-class', loosely based on existing mythologies and superstitions and was done for the express purpose of instilling guilt and fear in order to more easily control populations.
(Christianity strikes me as an extreem example of this cynical use of religion, but I'll freely admit that that may be a flawed opinion, held because of my own background and having been exposed to christiany for longer and in more detail than other major religions.)

When I say that I find it deeply and profoundly offensive, I'm not just whistling dixie, bub.

While I don't apologise for my opinions, I will apologise to anyone who's offended by reading them here.
I don't often express my opinions quite as candidly as this in fora of this nature, I do feel that we are involved in an honest and straightforward discussion where this kind of candor is not entirely out of place.
I realise that other forumites may read this in future and not share in this zeitgeist. If the spirit moves them to flame me mercilessly, so mote it be.

[mark williamson]

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?


I think it varies... I typically try not to do that, although I do sometimes point out flaws in peoples' arguments - for instance, where I think they're logically / morally going off course due to their interpretation of scripture.

Some people are quite violently opposed to religion because of bad experiences they've had with it. I think some people are probably irritated by others' beliefs in something they consider "obviously wrong", and some are probably just trying to bring an interesting viewpoint to peoples' attention.

I consider myself an atheist. I strongly agree with many important tenets of Christian belief, and strongly disagree with some others. Given the variations present between different denominations, I'm pretty sure I could find a Christian church with moral beliefs that agreed very closely with mine. The reason I don't do this, is that I don't actually believe in any particular god - I don't think it's impossible for there to be a god of some kind, I just don't personally feel a calling to believe in any particular one.

[Seager]

The Question: Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?

That really does depend. To individual people religion does a lot of good. It allows them to handle the death of a loved one easier, it gives them support for other aspects of their life, it's basically a good thing. However, sometimes it's used to justify atrocious acts, or the institution that runs their religion uses it to control them in unethical ways. There really is a fine line.

Personally, I never want to be responsible for anyone losing their religion unless they are already looking for the truth. (It's a subject I rarely if never bring up on my own - and if it's in person I generally just give non-answers when someone asks me my religion because my friendships are more important than religious argument.) The exception being when people begin voting and legislating based on their religious beliefs. When people force their religious ideals on me through unjust laws I get very angry - and I charge that anyone who legislates based on religion better prove that God exist first, since they are using his existence to justify a law that affects my life. Examples of such laws are trying to ban gay marriage, pro-life attempts, Bush cutting funding to fight in AIDS in Africa because he doesn't want condoms to be handed out, etc. I could go on forever.

We become more and more like Iran everyday, and if in the process of fighting this some people lose their faith than so be it. However, NO ONE who isn't ready to become Atheist/Agnostic will be able to. You can't educate someone against their will - and like I said I don't want to. I don't want to eradicate all religion because I think it does a lot of good in the world for people who need it. Many people are unable to come up with secular morality and ethics on their own and without religion keeping these people in check we'd have a much harsher world. However, not all Christian morals are correct, and I object to those being forced on me by Christian legislators, just like you would object to Islamic morals being forced on you.

You don't want your wife to have to wear a burka just like I don't want my gay friends to be denied marriage. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE! Don't force your religion on me through unjust laws. (this would involve not voting republican - they are the party of religious oppression)

[monkeyman]

(this would involve not voting republican - they are the party of religious oppression)

I say vote for people, not parties.

[Seager]

I say vote for people, not parties.

Depends on what you are trying to do. I used to be all about third party candidates because I don't like democrats or republicans. However, I currently vote anti-republican which basically means you have to vote democrat. Voting based on my ideals helped get bush elected in 2000 when I voted for Nader. It's the whole lesser of two evils things. We can't afford to vote based on who we want in power anymore, we are forced to vote against people we don't want in power, because they are just THAT BAD.

[GILD]

Hey, I found a quote I think a lot of us can agree on.

What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence is what we do.
-- John Ruskin

[onewheelinwierdo]

I say vote for people, not parties.

Yeah, political parties subvert the checks and balances in our government that were carfuly designed because of the party platforms that cannidates have to subscribe to to get funding from their party even if they don't agree with the platform.

[BillyTheMountain]

Only problem with voting for people is that, once in office, they mostly vote together as a party, and rarely deviate.

[BillyTheMountain]

Hey, I found a quote I think a lot of us can agree on.

Your quote is in direct opposition to Epictetus: "It is not events which disturb us, but how we think about them."

MikeFule?

[GILD]

Not neccesarily.
There may well be an appreciable difference between 'events' (things that happen to us) and 'actions' (things we cause to have happen').

Only red wine will tell.
Shiraz?

[johnfoss]

Let be the next one to jump on the respect-for-Yoopers bandwagon. One of the relatively few regular residents here whose posts are nearly always worth reading, and setting a great example for all of us.

Are athiests interested in changing the minds of others to believe that there is no God?
I'll jump on this bandwagon as well, with "which athiests?" The question seems to imply that all athiests think alike. This is no more true than it is for all Christians, all watchers of reality TV, or all country music fans.

[yoopers]

Let be the next one to jump on the respect-for-Yoopers bandwagon. One of the relatively few regular residents here whose posts are nearly always worth reading, and setting a great example for all of us.


I'll jump on this bandwagon as well, with "which athiests?" The question seems to imply that all athiests think alike. This is no more true than it is for all Christians, all watchers of reality TV, or all country music fans.
Thanks, John. I appreciate the good words.

As for 'which athiests', very good insight and neat lesson for me. I guess I am guilty of short-mindedness when it comes to blindly saying athiests. We are always more sure of what we know, right? Which is the reason for asking the question I suppose. I've learned something. Thanks.

I'm at work, gotta head home. I'll try to digest more of the thread later.

B

[Seager]

Dear Religious People:

Tomorrow when you vote please don't force your religion on me by voting for measures that are only supported by faith and "Christian Morals." If you find a law cannot be backed up by sound, secular logic please vote "No" so I don't have to live under it.

beggingly,
Seager

[yoopers]

Dear Religious People:

Tomorrow when you vote please don't force your religion on me by voting for measures that are only supported by faith and "Christian Morals." If you find a law cannot be backed up by sound, secular logic please vote "No" so I don't have to live under it.

beggingly,
Seager
:) If I see any 'religious' people, I'll be sure to pass on your beggings.

[GILD]

I hate to be 'spelling policey', but it's 'atheists'.

Now please go vote.
And tell all your friends to go vote as well.
And if you have to vote on a Diebold machine, ask for a receipt.

[monkeyman]

And if you have to vote on a Diebold machine, ask for a receipt.

Has anyone seen Man of the Year, with Robin Williams?

[yoopers]

While I don't apologise for my opinions, I will apologise to anyone who's offended by reading them here.
I don't often express my opinions quite as candidly as this in fora of this nature, I do feel that we are involved in an honest and straightforward discussion where this kind of candor is not entirely out of place.
I realise that other forumites may read this in future and not share in this zeitgeist. If the spirit moves them to flame me mercilessly, so mote it be.
Dave,

I don't see anything here for which to apologize. Thanks for the answer to my question and the courage to state your opinions. No one was insulted. My sincere apologies to the world for misspelling atheists.

Bruce, I have a lot of respect for the way you approach the forums. I think you provide a good example of how a Christian is to conduct themselves.
Todd,

Thanks for the kind words as well. Sorry I missed that post before.


and I charge that anyone who legislates based on religion better prove that God exist first, since they are using his existence to justify a law that affects my life.
Seager,

Laws are not selective, they affect all of us together. The same argument could be made from the Christian perspective; please don't vote for candidates who support legislation that affects my life as a Christian and the manner in which I am trying to teach and raise my children, i.e., the far-reaching effects of gay marriage, freely handing out condoms, so many other things that go against my desire for stout Christian teachings and my definition of morality ...I could go on forever. But I won't ask that of you because you have the freedom to vote on the issues about which you feel strong.

As my faith is of prime importance to me in this life, I will be voting for those candidates that support the issues about which I feel strong. Pardon me for a moment while I take a principle from scripture, I am in the world but not of it. I can't prove to you that God exists, but I have proven to myself many times over that my God exists and is alive and well in my life.

As for living in the world, what's neat is that we have all freely voted through the centuries from so many different perspectives yet we still live in freedom to vote again.

Bruce

[JJuggle]

the far-reaching effects of gay marriage
Bruce, I have only occasionally been popping in to read this thread, but I am struck by a great irony.

It would be unconstitutional to enact legislation preventing you from practicing your Christian beliefs, though holding those beliefs by any definition is a choice you've made.

Yet it is seemingly perfectly acceptable according to your morality to deny homosexuals the civil rights afforded to heterosexuals, even thought homosexuality has been established not to be a choice but a matter of biology.

[GILD]

If you don't believe it to be a matter of biology, the irony ceases to exist.
Kinda.

[yoopers]

even though homosexuality has been established not to be a choice but a matter of biology.Established by whom? Scientists who maintain secular or worldly views? There seems to be another view present in the world as well. As a Christian, I base my opinions on what scripture teaches (very short sighted, eh?) and firmly believe that marriage is to be between one man and one woman. From this old man's opinions, homosexuality has always been a choice. I see no irony.

[yoopers]

If you don't believe it to be a matter of biology, the irony ceases to exist.
Kinda.
D,

You beat me to it. :)

B

[GILD]

I base my opinions on what scripture teaches
Doesn't that open up the whole Dr Laura discus (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194695&highlight=Dr+Laura#post194695)sion again?

This particular version of that disc (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?p=377359&highlight=Dr+Laura#post377359)ussion was rather intersting.

[yoopers]

Doesn't that open up the whole Dr Laura discus (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?p=194695&highlight=Dr+Laura#post194695)sion again?

This particular version of that disc (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?p=377359&highlight=Dr+Laura#post377359)ussion was rather intersting.
I missed that thread somehow. I'll have to look at it later. Gotta get to the duties of the day.

[JJuggle]

Established by whom? Scientists who maintain secular or worldly views?
Bruce, I presume that you avail yourself of the teachings of secular science in the operation of your plant. And I presume that you similarly avail yourself of the secular principles of biology and that you visit the doctor when your children, your wife or you are unwell.

[yoopers]

Bruce, I presume that you avail yourself of the teachings of secular science in the operation of your plant. And I presume that you similarly avail yourself of the secular principles of biology and that you visit the doctor when your children, your wife or you are unwell.
Yep. I believe in biology.

[JJuggle]

Yep. I believe in biology.
But only insofar as it does not contradict the bible?

[GILD]

And since so much in the scriptures were placed there (or removed from there) by 'secula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea)rs', that argument doesn't hold very well.
?

[Borges]

Established by whom? Scientists who maintain secular or worldly views? There seems to be another view present in the world as well. As a Christian, I base my opinions on what scripture teaches (very short sighted, eh?) and firmly believe that marriage is to be between one man and one woman. From this old man's opinions, homosexuality has always been a choice. I see no irony.
But there's a difference between biblical marriage and legal marriage. Legal marriage is for heathens and believers, saints and sinners of all hetero sexual kinds.
The biblical marriage is the union blessed by God. I can understand why a pastor would refuse to marry a gay couple. Fortunately he has freedom of religion, so it is up to him to decide who to bless. Should he decide to bless the union of two people of the same sex, he has the right to do that too. They can be as married in the eyes of God as any heterosexual couple, they just can't be legally married. It seems to me you get the oppression, without the sanctity.

[mscalisi]

Against gay marriage? Don't have one.
Against condoms? Ummm...don't have sex.
Against ... Don't...

Having these things exist does not restrict your religious freedoms.

However strongly I am against the far reaching affects of Christianity, I would not want to live in a country that passed legislation against it, much like people want to pass legislation against gays.

Love the faithful, hate the faith.



Seager,

Laws are not selective, they affect all of us together. The same argument could be made from the Christian perspective; please don't vote for candidates who support legislation that affects my life as a Christian and the manner in which I am trying to teach and raise my children, i.e., the far-reaching effects of gay marriage, freely handing out condoms, so many other things that go against my desire for stout Christian teachings and my definition of morality ...I could go on forever. But I won't ask that of you because you have the freedom to vote on the issues about which you feel strong.

As my faith is of prime importance to me in this life, I will be voting for those candidates that support the issues about which I feel strong. Pardon me for a moment while I take a principle from scripture, I am in the world but not of it. I can't prove to you that God exists, but I have proven to myself many times over that my God exists and is alive and well in my life.

As for living in the world, what's neat is that we have all freely voted through the centuries from so many different perspectives yet we still live in freedom to vote again.

Bruce

[johnfoss]

What was this thread about, again?

Sorry Skrobo, I respect your right to have a Christian-based unicycle club, but having it in a thread on these forums just doesn't seem to work. You might need to create your own forum so you can enforce the rules. :(

Voting:
I'll just encourage you to register for full-time absentee voting if it's an option where you live. We already voted. Our votes are on paper, so they can't be lost in an electronic fog. We were able to take as much time as we wanted to vote, which was especially handy this time, with all the state and local initiatives we had to read up on. It's nice when you can read, vote, read, vote without feeling rushed. The only downside to the absentee system is that even though you voted, the annoying commercials run right up through the election anyway.

Gay marriage:
I'm not an expert on the subject, but I know a lot of gay people and have photographed one gay wedding. In that wedding, one of the women was running aground with her Catholic family, and there was obvious tension, even at the ceremony itself. She and her partner were concerned more about the legal aspects (rights) of a married couple, to protect them down the road. I think most couples are more interested in the legal part than the religious part, if only because many religions don't approve of it in the first place.

That's why I still think gay couples should come up with a name other than marriage, so it doesn't conflict with "old-school" marriage but still provides the legal protections provided to hetero married couples.

Anyway, back to the topic...

[mark williamson]

Personally, I'm happy for everyone to vote on whatever they believe to be right. I guess I'd start feeling awkward if people were to push agendas that involves holding me to the finer points morality.

There's obviously a point (debatable exactly where to draw the line) where we transition from "Making rules of behaviour that are obviously in the interests of all civilised people" (e.g. outlawing murder, theft, etc), to legislating personal morality. I believe that adults should be able to do essentially what they want as long as it's not manifestly harmful to others.

For instance, gay marriage would be one of these cases: regardless of my view of gay couples, if they choose to be together they are not harming me, nor does it harm any part of the fabric of society that I rely upon in order to live by my own morals - I still have my freedoms and my security to do just that.

If somebody does something lawfully that I disagree with on intellectual or moral grounds, I'm still free to persuade them of the error of their ways - through reason and my own example. Legislation is, however, a blunt instrument that I think it's wise to limit use of - although with the "War On Terror" various goverments seem to be abandoning this principle completely.

Essentially, I can sum up my philosophy with this quote:

"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

But I'd extend that quote to apply beyond religion and to political and moral thought, in general - ideas can be dangerous, but I believe that where at all possible they should be free of restriction.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Sorry for all the quotes, but these folks seem to have compressed what I'm trying to say into far fewer words than I need :-)

[mscalisi]

John, I agree with this, as long as "marriage" has no legal standing. So long as it does have a legal standing, it should apply to everyone.

That's why I still think gay couples should come up with a name other than marriage, so it doesn't conflict with "old-school" marriage but still provides the legal protections provided to hetero married couples.

Anyway, back to the topic...

After 15 pages, how many threads are still on topic?

[mark williamson]

That's why I still think gay couples should come up with a name other than marriage, so it doesn't conflict with "old-school" marriage but still provides the legal protections provided to hetero married couples.


They're officially called "civil unions" in the UK. Colloquially they get called "gay marriages", though.

I think the really important thing is that gay couples are extended the same rights and privileges as heterosexual couples, I really don't see that it matters what it's called: calling it "marriage" resonates with our customs and sums up a particular level of commitment to each other but beyond that wouldn't seem to provide any practical benefits.

On a religious note:
Given homosexuality isn't illegal anyhow, does it really matter if civil unions / "gay marriage" is legal? Whether a church will carry these out is, of course, up to that church. But given people are *already* allowed to have lifelong homosexual relationships, surely it is pointless cruelty not to allow them proper couples rights - e.g. next of kin status in case of medical emergency? Depending on one's beliefs, one may think they'd be punished in the afterlife (I don't believe this, incidentally) but regardless of that, is it our duty to punish them on earth as well?

As a related example, adultery is a sin against God's law, but is not illegal under man's law. It's obviously a very different situation to homosexual relationships - I believe the deception involved in adultery is very clearly wrong. However, this is one place where I think the separation of earthly law and scripture is a sensible one. Earthly law shouldn't be trying to enforce God's will, it's up to individuals to make their peace with whatever creator they believe in.

[mark williamson]

Whilst I'm posting in this thread, I'd like to apologise to Skrobo (and anyone else who was looking for Unicycle for Christ) for how off topic this thread has gone. Sorry for that, and for the part I've played in it!

If anybody actually wants to talk about UFC, please feel free to do do, and I personally will not be interfering - it is more on topic than all the other discussion after all! UFC brings together unicyclists with a common interest, which seems like a fun idea.

[mscalisi]

Yep, this is a simple issue of seperation of church and state. Although many would like to think that line is clouded, it is not.




As a related example, adultery is a sin against God's law, but is not illegal under man's law. It's obviously a very different situation to homosexual relationships - I believe the deception involved in adultery is very clearly wrong. However, this is one place where I think the separation of earthly law and scripture is a sensible one. Earthly law shouldn't be trying to enforce God's will, it's up to individuals to make their peace with whatever creator they believe in.

[cathwood]

The same argument could be made from the Christian perspective; please don't vote for candidates who support legislation that affects my life as a Christian and the manner in which I am trying to teach and raise my children, i.e., the far-reaching effects of gay marriage, freely handing out condoms, so many other things that go against my desire for stout Christian teachings and my definition of morality ...I could go on forever. But I won't ask that of you because you have the freedom to vote on the issues about which you feel strong.

Bruce

People have focused on the gay marriage aspect of this paragraph and we have debated this before - but that's fine.

I've tried not to write anything cos this is something that I feel really strongly about and I'm never at my verbal best when I'm feeling. However I can't resist any longer.

Do you know how many people are dying of Aids because of the USA's policy of abstinance rather than 'freely handing out condoms'? Well no, neither do I, but I do know that it's lots. It's a policy that's not working, more people are dying than there would be if a more freely available condom policy was adopted. I hope we don't go for that approach in the UK.

Not judging people's beliefs is one thing, but when those beliefs mean that people are dying, well that's one whole other ball game.

[GILD]

D,

You beat me to it.

B
Maybe, but my comment was intended as an attack on your position, not in support of it.
'Believing' vs 'Knowing'.
Faith vs Science.
That kind of thing.

[monkeyman]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Wasn't that Voltaire?

[JJuggle]

Wasn't that Voltaire?
It appears that you are correct (http://www.bartleby.com/66/40/63040.html).

[mark williamson]

Wasn't that Voltaire?


Actually, it's often attributed to him but my understanding is that he is not actually the originator.

[mark williamson]

I found a reference for the Evelyn Beatrice Hall quote:

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/cyc/l/liberty.htm

From the article:

The phrase "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is widely attributed to Voltaire, but cannot be found in his writings. With good reason. The phrase was invented by a later author as an epitome of his attitude. It appeared in The Friends of Voltaire (1906), written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym S[tephen] G. Tallentyre.


I couldn't remember who had originated the quote when I wanted to use it, so I had to look up who it was. And then it turned out to be someone I'd never heard of. Oh well, I learn lots of things from chat on JC :-)

[JJuggle]

I found a reference for the Evelyn Beatrice Hall quote:

http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/cyc/l/liberty.htm

From the article:


I couldn't remember who had originated the quote when I wanted to use it, so I had to look up who it was. And then it turned out to be someone I'd never heard of. Oh well, I learn lots of things from chat on JC :-)
Excellently done.

[Seager]

Seager,

Laws are not selective, they affect all of us together. The same argument could be made from the Christian perspective; please don't vote for candidates who support legislation that affects my life as a Christian and the manner in which I am trying to teach and raise my children, i.e., the far-reaching effects of gay marriage, freely handing out condoms, so many other things that go against my desire for stout Christian teachings and my definition of morality ...I could go on forever. But I won't ask that of you because you have the freedom to vote on the issues about which you feel strong.

As mscalisi mentioned you are missing a huge point here. The difference is that you are passing laws that limit my freedom. Not passing those laws DOES NOT limit your freedom. You are telling me that my friends cannot get married because they are gay, you are telling me that I cannot use fetal stem cells to cure disease, and you are telling me that it's better to cut funding to Africa for Aids relief than give them condoms.

Christians are making laws to limit the freedom on Non-Christians. If you don't like these things then speak out against them, don't let you children do them, etc, but don't FORCE me not to do it. I would be against any law limiting the freedom of Christians. However, allowing gay marriage does not do this. Letting this happens DOES NOT affect you at all other than that you may have to take a more active teaching role in your children's life. Just because you disagree with the world that your kid's are growing up in does not give you the right to try to change it through oppressive laws. Don't force me to behave in a certain why just because it might be a bad example to your kids. That is wrong and it is just lazy parenting. Likewise, if you don't like seeing gay people get married just don't look. Don't force them not to do it.

What if one of your kids didn't like basketball, and tried to get basketball kicked out of his school. Wouldn't you simply laugh and say "mind your own business?" You should take some of your own advice.

Do you see what I'm saying? Legislating to support gay marriage,for instance, does not take away your freedom. Legislating against it, however, takes away my freedom. The oppression here is only going one way. I'm not asking you to start using condoms or have gay marriages, I'm just asking to you to allow me to.

What if another religion were to get a majority in the United States. Islam, for example, and they tried to pass a law forcing YOUR WIFE to wear a burka and be accompanied by a man outside at all times. Would you not be upset that they are forcing their religion onto you through legislation? Wouldn't you wonder why they couldn't just force their wives to wear burkas and leave your wife alone? Do you think it would be oppressive of you to oppose this law?

See my point?

[BillyTheMountain]

Odd that under pro-choice Presidents like CLinton, the abortion rate drops (because he was also pro-condom).

And under anti-choice Presidents like GW Bush, the abortion rate goes UP (because he was also anti-condom).

[GILD]

Legislating to support gay marriage,for instance, does not take away your freedom. Legislating against it, however, takes away my freedom. The oppression here is only going one way. I'm not asking you to start using condoms or have gay marriages, I'm just asking to you to allow me to.
Very well reasoned post.
I'm looking forward to the replies to it.

[skrobo]

something on subject, i made a thread, but it is revelant here as well.

t-shirt back... i will put it on cafepress? later http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=290714&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=5de1034116754128cb60498fe7f85102

[monkeyman]

something on subject, i made a thread, but it is revelant here as well.

That's actually really good. Props on the creativity.

[skrobo]

That's actually really good. Props on the creativity.
:)

someone else contributed, it was not my idea :)
how about a semi-transparent unicyclist outline? 50% opacity?

[Seager]

One God, what about the trinity?

Tricycle for Christ! .. I sense a holy war...

(actually, that's a pretty good shirt. Nice work. Although I think that "one truth" is kind of confrontational and a slap in the face to non-christians. Anyone who really gets upset is too uptight.)

[blackbike]

haha ... maybe it is, but not to me, it is just annoying that you will not leave it there
that is the place I think it belongs and will get proper attention

this crap has too much attention already

[Jerrick]

this crap has too much attention already

That was pretty hypocritical.

[skrobo]

One God, what about the trinity?

Tricycle for Christ! .. I sense a holy war...

(actually, that's a pretty good shirt. Nice work. Although I think that "one truth" is kind of confrontational and a slap in the face to non-christians. Anyone who really gets upset is too uptight.)
ehh?
the trinity is one God, it is just 3 in 1, its hard to explain and i have an assignment that I HAVE to get done

[UniBrier]

ehh?
the trinity is one God, it is just 3 in 1, its hard to explain and i have an assignment that I HAVE to get doneThe unicycle is Trinitarian. One seat, one frame, one wheelset make one unicycle.

[ivan]

Trinity is something I could never understand. How can three geezers make one God? And what's the Holy Spirit supposed to be, anyway? No offence to anyone. Please explain, if possible.

[skrobo]

Trinity is something I could never understand. How can three geezers make one God? And what's the Holy Spirit supposed to be, anyway? No offence to anyone. Please explain, if possible.
:)
its like the unicycle example, God is one being, the father is the part that stayed in heaven ... Jesus was on Earth ... and the Holy spirit was kinda chillin, the holy spirit is just like another part of God, he/she/it? is basically the miracle worker, the holy spirit is kinda there, i can't really explain it now, like i know its there, but its just hard to explain in words Ya know?
i'll give a better explanation in a while, after I at least start my college admission essays

[Seager]

ehh?
the trinity is one God, it is just 3 in 1, its hard to explain and i have an assignment that I HAVE to get done

Don't worry, I get it. (I've studied religion) I'm just making jokes.

[DK]

To skboro or other jesus kids-

do you consider hinduism polythesitic?

[BillyTheMountain]

To skboro or other jesus kids-

do you consider hinduism polythesitic?

That is an elementary and outside persepctive on it. The same people who say Hindus worship cows.

The various Godheads are simply various manifestations of the Unity -- One GOD.

[DK]

That is an elementary and outside persepctive on it. The same people who say Hindus worship cows.

The various Godheads are simply various manifestations of the Unity -- One GOD.

I know that, but with the talk of trinity, i wouldnt be surprized if they said it was polytheistic.

On the VA SOLs (standards of learning) tests, Hinduism is known as polytheistic.

[GILD]

The unicycle is Trinitarian. One seat, one frame, one wheelset make one unicycle.
Yeah, but we don't talk about Unicycle the Frame, Unicycle the Seat and Unicycle the Wheelset.

[yoopers]

Yeah, but we don't talk about Unicycle the Frame, Unicycle the Seat and Unicycle the Wheelset.
We don't need any Holy tires.

[UniBrier]

Yeah, but we don't talk about Unicycle the Frame, Unicycle the Seat and Unicycle the Wheelset.
We don't need any Holy tires.True that, you learned your chatechism well. Good thing we only went with the analogy and didn't try to formulate a creed or confession. I think one of the only things the Counsel of Unicyclists would agree on is "Don't call my Unicycle a B*ke".

[BillyTheMountain]

Everyone who loves Cheeses of Nazareth, say Amen!

[Seager]

That is an elementary and outside persepctive on it. The same people who say Hindus worship cows.

The various Godheads are simply various manifestations of the Unity -- One GOD.

The simplification here is to imply that there actually is something that exists called "hinduism." That's just a general term for a group of religions - only invented because western people couldn't come to terms or understand any type of religion so greatly dissimilar to their own.

[skrobo]

We don't need any Holy tires.
but there already are holy tires!!
holy roller!!!

[skrobo]

i can't have the last post in this thread guys...
it won't go down that way!

[yoopers]

i can't have the last post in this thread guys...
it won't go down that way!
Alright. Godspeed, my good man. Write if you get work.

[skrobo]

Bumping to page 1, so we can have all Christ threads, all the time.
thats a good way to get banned buddy, trust me, I know, please don't do this anymore. let all of them but one go away!