punk rawk

[DK]

Seeing some good discussion and fans in the Anti-Flag vs Green Day thread, I thought we should start a general punk thread.

I mostly listen to streetpunk, oi, and ska-punk stuff with some 80's hardcore and crust/anarcho mixed in as well.

Some of my favs are
A Global Threat
Oi Polloi
Leftover Crack
Black Flag
The Briggs
Blanks 77
CV
Cock Sparrer
Crass
INDK
DK's
4-Skins
American Distress
etc
etc
etc


discuss some bands and stuff, but
keep it real, no MCR or simple plan, please.

[James_Potter]

I love Simple Plan!!
And Green Day!

[monkeyman]

since you spelled it rawk, I refuse to answer this question...

[chosen]

a punk rock thread? heck yea. lol.

i like
the academy is
mcr
the used
threee days grace
senses fail

lot more. oh and true punk rockers wear the checked vans, and have them in different colors:)

[DK]

since you spelled it rawk, I refuse to answer this question...

I was being sarcastic

[dudewithasock]

I mostly listen to streetpunk, oi, and ska-punk stuff with some 80's hardcore and crust/anarcho mixed in as well.

What the hell is 'oi'?

[unisteve]

Dudewithasock, I don't appreciate the tone in which you asked that question.

I would appreciate it if next time you said something like, "Can you tell me what the hell 'oi' is, please?"

There are children that browse this forum, and we need to be careful not to expose them to harsh language unnecessarily.

[dudewithasock]

Dudewithasock, I don't appreciate the tone in which you asked that question.

I would appreciate it if next time you said something like, "Can you tell me what the hell 'oi' is, please?"

There are children that browse this forum, and we need to be careful not to expose them to harsh language unnecessarily.

Yay for people with my sense of humor! ;)

[Mikefule]

Well, I was there on the fringes of it in 1977 ish. Got told off by my dad for wearing a studded dog collar, and told he'd take me for a walk on a lead if he caught me wearing it again. I worked part time at Rushcliffe leisure centre and had a shirt with "RLC Staff" written on the back. When they changed the design, I tore the sleeves off, and piggled off part of the lettering so it said, "RLC Stiff" and got threatened with the sack by the boss.

But mainly I was into good ol' rock 'n' roll.

My present collection of punk(ish) stuff includes the following, but I'm not one to pay too much to genres:

5,6,7,8's
Adverts
Anti-Flag
Anti Nowhere League
Broken Bones
Buzzcocks
Clash
Cramps
Damned
Dave Brubeck Quartet
Dead Fingers talk
Dead Kennedys
Demented Are Go!
Devo
DMBQ
Doom
Electric Frankenstein
Exploited
Green Day
Guana Batz
Jam
John Cooper Clarke
King Kurt
Meteors
Misfits
Motorhead
Pogues
Polysics
Public Image Ltd.
Ramones
RC5
Rezillos
Rudimentary Peni
Ruts
Selfish C*nt
Sex Pistols
Sham 69
Sid Vicious
Skids
Slaughter and the Dogs
Squeeze

[fexnix]

the used suck

[chosen]

the used suck
maybe your infinite skillz have messed with your brain.:) :rolleyes: :) ;)

[Crackbrain]

ok


Ashtray
Left Over Crack
Dead Kennadys
Sex tape scandel
The Helper Monkeys
T.S.O.L.
Agent Orange
The Germs
X
Circle Jerks
Secretions
Black Flag
Buzzcocks
Nausea
Bad Religion
Ramones
The Clash
L7
Vandals
Havhana Brown
No Use For a Name

[unign]

Seeing some good discussion and fans in the Anti-Flag vs Green Day thread, I thought we should start a general punk thread.

I mostly listen to streetpunk, oi, and ska-punk stuff with some 80's hardcore and crust/anarcho mixed in as well.

Some of my favs are
A Global Threat
Oi Polloi
Leftover Crack
Black Flag
The Briggs
Blanks 77
CV
Cock Sparrer
Crass
INDK
DK's
4-Skins
American Distress
etc
etc
etc


discuss some bands and stuff, but
keep it real, no MCR or simple plan, please.

I know how much crap I'll get for this but

come on

half of those bands suck, it's not even rock or "rawk". It's junk, just banging on a guitar. Believe me I would never listen to Simple Plan but that's more palatable than something where the music isn't audible or is unbearable

[DK]

I know how much crap I'll get for this but

come on

half of those bands suck, it's not even rock or "rawk". It's junk, just banging on a guitar. Believe me I would never listen to Simple Plan but that's more palatable than something where the music isn't audible or is unbearable

Whatever dude, in none of those bands do they scream or yell except for LoC. I really doubt you have listened to many, if any of those, and condemning it so blindly is just stupid.:confused:

[DK]

What the hell is 'oi'?

Its like punk with a much more plain rock and roll feel, normally slower, etc.


Wiki artcle on Oi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi%21)

[MERCYME]

I was being sarcastic
DK being saracastic? never!!!
naw man i'm just kidden i love you.

[evil-nick]

Lessee...
Face to Face
The Ataris
No Use for a Name
The Suicide Machines
Blink 182 (Back in their "Chesire Cat" and "Dude Ranch Days")
NOFX
Bad Religion
Millencolin
Buck o'Nine
Less Than Jake
Planet Smashers
No Doubt (older is better)
Save Ferris
Common Sense
Goldfinger
Mest
The Honeymans
Mighty Mighty Bosstones
Mudmen
Reel Big Fish
Sublime
The Bouncing Souls
The Kingpins
Whole Lotta Milka
Edna's Goldfish
I Voted for Kodos
Samiam
Skabba the Hut
Catch-22
Streetlight Manifesto

Prolly a bunch others I'm forgetting...

I used to listen to more punk (An old roomate listened to it all) but I got into ska more, and slowly was reintroduced to punk. But I still skank when given the opportunity :D

[Mikefule]

half of those bands suck, it's not even rock or "rawk". It's junk, just banging on a guitar.

Ah, this modern music, it's just thump thump thump, no tune you can whistle, and you can't hear the words. Shocking. Now, in my day... etc. etc.

Punk is cartoon music. It is as hard to draw a perfect cartoon as it is to draw anything else. Charlie Brown has a circular head with two dots for eyes, and a line for a mouth. Sometimes he has a nose. Schultz gave him personality by drawing him perfectly; I couldn't.

Likewise with music. Music is rhythmic sound. Sometimes the rhythm is very simply, and percussive; sometimes the rhythm is implied in the melody; sometimes there is harmonic rhythm. Some music has many simultaneous rhythms; other music has only one simple rhythm. Punk is pretty simple, which means to make it work, you have to do it well.

Slaughter and the Dogs are abominable at doing it well, the Sex Pistols (at their best) were very good at it. Some punk is great music, some is complete crap. The same could be said of many if not all other genres.

[Crackbrain]

Personally I think punk shouldn't sound "good"
besides once a punk band is universelly exepted as good they aren't realy punk. as the sex pistols said "We don't like music, we like chaos"

[joshuni]

mmmbop is my favorite punk rock song. it's so hardcore. emo for life. (the opinions expressed here are for sarcastic purposes only, i do not condone the listening of mmmbop nor do i condone a life of emo)

[JJuggle]

For better or worse I know very little of current punk bands. I listen to Green Day occasionally.

I still listen to the Gang of Four frequently.

Based on MikeFule's thread I'm planning on giving Anti-Flag a listen.

As for ability with their instruments, many early punk bands are known to have sucked. The Sex Pistols and the Ramones are two classic examples. I saw The Ramones at CBGBs in 1977 and as little facility as they had with their axes the warm up band, The Cramps - who went on to some fame I understand - made them look like the New York Philharmonic.

But they had heart.

[ProFish_Daddy]

Punk Rock??
Any Kind Of Rock But Punk Rok Please!

[digitalattrition]

The Sex Pistols are horrible. Johnny Rotten is about as cool as a hairdresser.

Anyhow, including ska and alternative, I listen to:

Aquabats
Bad Religion
Black Flag
Bloodsucking Zombies from Outerspace (rockabilly/psychobilly)
Bouncing Souls
Clit 45
Demented Are Go!
Dropkick Murphys
Face to Face
Flogging Molly
Five Iron Frenzy
GG Allin (murderjunkies, jabbers, antiseen, etc.)
Horrorpops
Koffin Kats
Lars Frederickson and the Bastards
Left Alone
Mischief Brew
Negative Trend
Pennywise
Pepper
Reel Big Fish
Rise Against
The Bloody Irish Boys
The Briggs
The Dead Pets
The Dickies
The Mahones
The Misfits
The Pogues
The Ramones




There are others that I have seen in concert and didn't really like.

[Mikefule]

The Sex Pistols are horrible. Johnny Rotten is about as cool as a hairdresser.


The Sex Pistols were meant to be horrible. That was the whole idea.

Johnny Rotten is nothing. He no longer exists. The actor who played him is John Lydon, who has joined the establishment and become a rather sad caricature of his old self.

He was never intended to be cool, but to be shocking, and that is something that he achieved.

Remember that was 1976/7 - 30 years ago. The context has changed.

Then, punk was a new and shocking idea. Now, punk is a genre of music and an established sub culture.

Make comparisons: Elvis Presley in 1956/7 was exciting to the young, and frightening to the establishment. In 1965-ish, the same could have been said of Mick Jagger. But if you simply cut and pasted a 1957 Elvis Performance or a 1965 Stones performance into a 2006 rock show, it would look dated and camp. Same with Bill Haley- in about 1955/6, people were rioting in cinemas out of sheer animal excitement at the music he was playing. Even Cliff Richard was shocking once - and the BBC would only show him from the waist up.

I can say this from personal experience at the time: when the Sex Pistols were new, and the Never Mind the B*llocks album was in the shops, it created a stir. I recall an elderly neighbour ranting about how disgusting the Sex Pistols were - he had just seen them on TV being interviewed. I recall Nottingham City Council taking legal action against a record shop for displaying the album in the window - even though the offending B word was partly obscured by the price ticket. The story dominated the front page and letters page of the local newspaper for days.

Now take any modern "punk" band and ask when they last created that level of interest or controversy, outside the small circle of their enthusiasts and fans. The only "shocking" musician we ever see in the press here is Pete Doherty - and that's only because he is a drug-addled self-publicist with an on-off relationship with a supermodel. I have never yet read any mainstream media comment about his music, lyrics or stage show, let alone his politics.

The Sex Pistols were not the greatest, or even the first, but they had a special significance at an important time, and Johnny Rotten was very good at doing what he did.

[BillyTheMountain]

For better or worse I know very little of current punk bands. I listen to Green Day occasionally.



Not punk!

[digitalattrition]

...so I shouldn't talk bad about The Sex Pistols...because they were controversial once and no other band is today?

Also, should I have to like their music and respect them because of this? I mean, I don't want to disagree with anyone.

Please get back to me as soon as possible with your decision.

[Mikefule]

...so I shouldn't talk bad about The Sex Pistols...because they were controversial once and no other band is today?

Please get back to me as soon as possible with your decision.

Feel free to say what you wish about the Sex Pistols, or any other subject. The only point I was making was that a judgment about a 30 year old band should be made with some understanding of the context of their very brief heyday.

The Sex Pistols sang about the Queen in most uncomplimentary terms during 1977, her Silver Jubilee year. Most of England was celebrating with street parties and bunting (yes, really) and here was a band singing, "She ain't no human being, " and "She made you a moron," and sneering, "We mean it, Ma'am." At the time, it really was cutting edge stuff and caused a massive outcry.

Watch the Sex Pistols on video today and you see four scrawny youths with silly grins, one of whom can hardly stand up, let alone play his bass guitar, and they sound tinny and crap - but the sound is only a tiny part of the story.

Take the coolest band you can think of today, and they will appear dated, camp and risible in thirty years time.

[fishnchipsx2]

I'm into a lot of punk, street punk, and ska punk. I drum in a ska-punk band as well.

In our opinion, some of our stuff sounds great, some of it sounds crap. We play it all tho, because the stuff that sounds crap may have a message behind the lyrics.

Sometimes the main reason that somebody listens to a certain style of music is not always because the music itself is good, but because the lyrical content as well as the general feelings conveyed through the song may be something the listener can relate to: be it burning down the whitehouse, or something far more mediocre.

Of course the musicianship matters, but for bands like the Sex Pistols, it didn't. They used their music to put across their views to the masses, who before, were not exposed/hadn't contemplated such views. And, as far as I can tell, they generally had fun doing it. ;)

[fishnchipsx2]

As for the spiky hair, skin-tight trousers and studded leather jackets that are common in the punk genre today, that's the shocking/fun part. hehe.

[digitalattrition]

Most bands today are already dated, camp, and risible, in my opinion, Mike.

I do know all that about the Sex Pistols, I've read a couple of biographies about them and I've seen the documentary "The Filth and the Fury," which was pretty good. I was interested in learning about them and what they did during their time, so I did. I understand the context in which they are placed, and I understand that they were shocking for their time, because of their music, their message, and their appearance. I just plain don't like them, that's all.

[Mikefule]

Was listening to Anti-Nowhere League's 2005 album, Kings & Queens in the car today. Great fun, loud, fast, anthemic, rude words and good choruses.:)

This is a band that was in there near the beginning of punk, and is still touring. I have their Live in Yugoslavia album which is full of classic aggressive songs like, I Hate People. Kings & Queens is generally in a similar vein. Strangely, their album, Perfect Crime, is totally different in feel, and very sort of bland pub rock. Perhaps it's their own great rock and roll swindle?

Anyone else like ANL?

[digitalattrition]

I do like ANL, actually.

:p

[Crackbrain]

never heard of them

[Mikefule]

never heard of them

http://www.antinowhereleague.com/

Excellent band, started way back when punk was a pretty neat idea, and still performing.

[siafirede]

ok


Ashtray
Left Over Crack
Dead Kennadys
Sex tape scandel
The Helper Monkeys
T.S.O.L.
Agent Orange
The Germs
X
Circle Jerks
Secretions
Black Flag
Buzzcocks
Nausea
Bad Religion
Ramones
The Clash
L7
Vandals
Havhana Brown
No Use For a Name


Your signature rules and so does the suicidal tendencies.

[siafirede]

Now for my two cents:

bands that make me still excited to go to punk/hardcore shows:

set to explode http://www.myspace.com/settoexplode
86 mentality http://www.myspace.com/86mentalityband
modern life is war
outbreak
municipal waste
van damage http://www.myspace.com/vandamagepa
crime in stereo (sort of a pop punk/hardcore crossover)
good riddance
adolescents
go it alone
avail
against me

[king cutecore]

yeh i dont really know much about punk but im quite in to hardcore and they seem to come from the same general area. hear are some good bands (if your open to this kinda stuf) that i like and would recomend:

Johnny Truant
Job for a cowboy
Norma Jean
Converge

...Enjoy. you can find them all on myspace so give it a go.

[Mikefule]

Got some of my friends confused last night by referring to that well known 1970s singer, Angela Cupstarts.

Never did find out who killed Liddle Towers. Was it the policeman?

[Mikefule]

Got my Polysics album, Polysics or Die out today. Not listened to it for ages. Crazy stuff, good fun, don't understand a word of it. A friend of mine saw their stage show and said it was well weird. Anyone else come across this Japanese electro-punk band?

[DK]

86 mentality http://www.myspace.com/86mentalityband


Im really digging these hardcore bands with Oi and skinhead influences lately.

And modern life is war is pretty good too, along with a lot of the other stuff.

[siafirede]

Come see my band play on saturday at nanci raygun in richmond. We are playing with government warning http://www.myspace.com/governmentwarningrva

We cover black flag and....other than that we probably arent that good, but its our first show so yeah, hah.

[nick]

Got my Polysics album, Polysics or Die out today. Not listened to it for ages. Crazy stuff, good fun, don't understand a word of it. A friend of mine saw their stage show and said it was well weird. Anyone else come across this Japanese electro-punk band?

I play a lot of them on my radio show. Sorry, no webcasting yet.