marijuana

[drewation]

im sorry if this is against the rules, couldnt find the pages with the forum rules on it :confused:, but anyways my question is who here uses marijuana? as in recreational,medicual ... i can say im a strong believer in it just wondering i guess everyones opinion on it aswell

[JUNGAUNI]

i people would stop smmoking it i would say it great it makes super strong cloth paper and it also grows faster and produces more oxygen 30% faster than trees

[uniMcPeat]

I beleive in marajuana.

[musketman]

i know alot of people who smoke the stuff at school,but i dont so who cares about them! If they want to die at age 22,then OK;)


But anyway, dont most patients that use marijuana for medical purposes have to use it because they get addicted and there bodies need it to stay alive? I know this is true for most illegal drugs that patients need to use for medical purposes. After awhile ur body needs it or u will die if you dont have it in ur system, thats why they need it for medical purposes eh. ?

[kington99]

Marijuana is not addictive to most people, addiciton is rare, both in medical and recreational use. People take it medically to ease constant pain mostly, not because they're addicted. I'm a strong believer in the existance of marijuana, but not in the taking of it.

[aleksi.palola]

Ummm... Drugs are baaaaad, mmkay.

[James_Potter]

theres a big huge thread on this a long time ago, I'll find it!

[James_Potter]

Got it!
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36184
Has a lot of interesting stuff in it...and apparently many unicyclists are regular smokers. Personally I don't think that marijuana is as bad as people make it out to be...I don't think its any worse than smoking tobacco. Its just more addictive which can potentially make the effects worse. With that said, I haven't used it before and don't plan to ( :

[drewation]

k thanks james i looked up everything expect pot in the search lol :rolleyes:, i can tell u you will not die at the age of 22 by smoking pot alone, unless you constantly inhale it 24/7, even then it would be doubtful your more likely to die of smoking ciggarettes as its a chemical addiction where as marijuana is more mental

[Crackbrain]

i don't do drugs . . . alot of my friends do but I don't

[drewation]

i don't do drugs . . . alot of my friends do but I don't

yet your user name is crackbrain...

[kristine]

i know alot of people who smoke the stuff at school,but i dont so who cares about them! If they want to die at age 22,then OK;)


But anyway, dont most patients that use marijuana for medical purposes have to use it because they get addicted and there bodies need it to stay alive? I know this is true for most illegal drugs that patients need to use for medical purposes. After awhile ur body needs it or u will die if you dont have it in ur system, thats why they need it for medical purposes eh. ?
Im sure someone else has posted a reply to this, but I stoped reading, and am adding one for you.

Its not addictive. Its used medically to relieve pain in patients... i.e. cancer and cronic back pain.

How is smoking pot going to kill you at 22? Cigarettes are more likely to kill you (lung cancer)... what kills in pot? nothing. What are they teaching kids in health class these days??

[andrew_carter]

What are they teaching kids in health class these days??To ignore the facts and blindly follow the rules, simply because they're the rules. Scary isn't it!

Andrew

[abbabibble]

yet your user name is crackbrain...
look it up in the dictionary. It has nothing to do with drugs or addiction.

[James_Potter]

i know alot of people who smoke the stuff at school,but i dont so who cares about them! If they want to die at age 22,then OK;) But anyway, dont most patients that use marijuana for medical purposes have to use it because they get addicted and there bodies need it to stay alive? I know this is true for most illegal drugs that patients need to use for medical purposes. After awhile ur body needs it or u will die if you dont have it in ur system, thats why they need it for medical purposes eh. ?
I agree with Kristine here...I can almost guarantee that if someone who smokes marijuana will not die at age 22, unless they're hit by a car, or shot.
People who use marijuana for medicine do not get addicted to it any more than you get addicted to aspirin...its possible, yes, if you're irresponsible in using it. Addiction happens, true. But be smart about it, plan on not getting addicted, and you won't get addicted. Even if you do get addicted, you won't die if you don't get it in your system. For certain drugs there are painful side effects from not using it. I believe that heroin is the worst drug to get addicted to, because it is almost literally impossible to go cold turkey. But cannabis of any kind, tobacco, marijuana, hash, anything like that, you have the physical ability to quit at any time. Its the mental attachment to it that makes it so hard for most people.

[drewation]

look it up in the dictionary. It has nothing to do with drugs or addiction.
he should also look up the word drug in the dictionary im sure he has tooken some before http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=drug

[James_Potter]

he should also look up the word drug in the dictionary im sure he has tooken some before http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=drug
You should look the word tooken up in the dictionary.

[steveyo]

You should look the word tooken up in the dictionary.
LOL. Good one. Especially for a non-stoner. ;)

[podzol]

Hi there folks.
Just put in my two cents.

I've run in some pretty rough crowds and have managed to stay clean. I read up on various drugs and pretty much decided to live without. Not even much of a caffeine drinker.

On pot:

Although it is not physically addicting, it can easily be HABITuating and psychologically addicting. Anything can be habituating or psychologically addicting, even a favorit chair. If someone says you cannot be addicted to pot, they are wrong. There are doubts about it's physically addictive character, though.

I believe THC works on dopamines, same thing chocolate does. Yes people can become psychologically addicted to chocolate too.

I do not know any long term studies on chronic pot inhallation, but I don't think smoking A LOT of anything is going to do your lungs any good, tobacco or not. (Those of you who either know or are chronic pot smokers know about coughing up crud etc.) Dolphins get black lung disease and don't smoke anything, just breathe air at sea level.

From what I have read, when people who are not complete developmentally complete mentally (ie teens and younger) smoke a lot of pot, they can spend much of the developmental time high. The brains do not develop when high. Synapses aren't forming etc. Some of you may know people that spent their teenage years baked on this non-physically addicting drug thinkingid was relatively harmless. These people stay teenagers emotionally, for good. They may be smart, but they wasted the exclusive intererval of time when the brain is doing important maturation by being high so much.

For me, I didn't want anything to do with it. All substances have dangers, even ones that are non addictive, of some utility, and even good for you in some cases.

The point of this diatribe is that growing brains shouldn't have psychoactive substances unless called for because of a specific medical or psychiatric need. Not enough robust science has been done to understand what it does in the long term to the brain. Studies that have been done show them to be detrimental.

So if you're 15 and thinking about it, at least hold off and make that decision until you're 25 when your brain is done growing.

end of diatribe.

[harper]

Do I believe in marijuana? Yes, I have actually SEEN some. I have not been a user for over 30 years because I don't like it. However I believe ALL drugs should be legalized, there should be NO drinking age, NO smoking age, NO driving age. You should be able to send your three year old daughter to the corner store to buy a nickel bag of herion.

[podzol]

Do I believe in marijuana? Yes, I have actually SEEN some. I have not been a user for over 30 years because I don't like it. However I believe ALL drugs should be legalized, there should be NO drinking age, NO smoking age, NO driving age. You should be able to send your three year old daughter to the corner store to buy a nickel bag of herion.

Yep. It'd be a lot easier to educate and learn about these things if it was perceived as a social issue rather than a legal one. Bear has been asking a lot about why we have certain laws. It is sometimes harder to explain than other times.

My grama D.O.B 1900 received her drivers license at the age of 12. The county made and exception for her family because my great grandad had passed away or something. She didn't wreck. On the other hand, It would be scary to see Bear doing 70.

[James_Potter]

Do I believe in marijuana? Yes, I have actually SEEN some. I have not been a user for over 30 years because I don't like it. However I believe ALL drugs should be legalized, there should be NO drinking age, NO smoking age, NO driving age. You should be able to send your three year old daughter to the corner store to buy a nickel bag of herion.
I agree...people should decide whether or not it is bad for themselves, not just listen to their teachers say that drugs are bad because I said so!!

[Victory]

...and apparently many unicyclists are regular smokers.

If you're just going by the poll to make that assumption it's not proper.
I voted in the smoked more than 5 times in my life but I'm sure many like me may have smoked as a youth but have long since put that behind us and don't touch the stuff anymore...

[James_Potter]

If you're just going by the poll to make that assumption it's not proper.
I voted in the smoked more than 5 times in my life but I'm sure many like me may have smoked as a youth but have long since put that behind us and don't touch the stuff anymore...
Thats a good point...a better conclusion is that many unicyclists have experimented with psychoactive drugs before in their lives.

[dan de man]

To ignore the facts and blindly follow the rules, simply because they're the rules. Scary isn't it!

Andrew
hear hear

PS ive gotten high in the nutmeg sky if you get me drift but only once

[musketman]

k thanks james i looked up everything expect pot in the search lol :rolleyes:, i can tell u you will not die at the age of 22 by smoking pot alone, unless you constantly inhale it 24/7, even then it would be doubtful your more likely to die of smoking ciggarettes as its a chemical addiction where as marijuana is more mental

most pple do smoke it constantly, and if the actual drug dont kill u, while ur high u do stupid things that can kill u

[James_Potter]

most pple do smoke it constantly, and if the actual drug dont kill u, while ur high u do stupid things that can kill u
That actually is more common with LSD, with which you practically lose control of your mind. Pot doesn't really do that, it just makes your senses more sensitive, or something like that.

[BillyTheMountain]

Do I believe in marijuana? Yes, I have actually SEEN some. I have not been a user for over 30 years because I don't like it. However I believe ALL drugs should be legalized, there should be NO drinking age, NO smoking age, NO driving age. You should be able to send your three year old daughter to the corner store to buy a nickel bag of herion.

Harper has a pony tail, for what it's worth. He may be a hippy.

Who is Mortimo Planno (died last month at 85)?

What's his relationship to Bob Marley?

What's the connection between these 2 names, marijuana and GOD?

Can we turn this into a GOD thread?

[monkeyman]

I've never touched the stuff, or anything like it, and I plan not to..I've never heard any good stories coming from the use of it...
To those who say we've never been told facts, jsut had "don't do it" soved down our throats, I dunno what you're talking about....at my school, any drug/alchohol/smoking awareness thing, ewe've always been given facts about them.

[trials_uni]

have i done it...yes i have. did i enjoy it...hell no! i dont kno if its just me or not but my system reacts really badly to the stuff i have like vcrazy panic attcks and i cant breathe. ive done it a couple of times beacause the first time i thought it was just a fluke...but after the second time i decided not to do it anymore.

[steveyo]

Hi there folks.
Just put in my two cents.

I've run in some pretty rough crowds and have managed to stay clean. I read up on various drugs and pretty much decided to live without. Not even much of a caffeine drinker.

On pot:

Although it is not physically addicting, it can easily be HABITuating and psychologically addicting. Anything can be habituating or psychologically addicting, even a favorit chair. If someone says you cannot be addicted to pot, they are wrong. There are doubts about it's physically addictive character, though.

I believe THC works on dopamines, same thing chocolate does. Yes people can become psychologically addicted to chocolate too.

I do not know any long term studies on chronic pot inhallation, but I don't think smoking A LOT of anything is going to do your lungs any good, tobacco or not. (Those of you who either know or are chronic pot smokers know about coughing up crud etc.) Dolphins get black lung disease and don't smoke anything, just breathe air at sea level.

From what I have read, when people who are not complete developmentally complete mentally (ie teens and younger) smoke a lot of pot, they can spend much of the developmental time high. The brains do not develop when high. Synapses aren't forming etc. Some of you may know people that spent their teenage years baked on this non-physically addicting drug thinkingid was relatively harmless. These people stay teenagers emotionally, for good. They may be smart, but they wasted the exclusive intererval of time when the brain is doing important maturation by being high so much.

For me, I didn't want anything to do with it. All substances have dangers, even ones that are non addictive, of some utility, and even good for you in some cases.

The point of this diatribe is that growing brains shouldn't have psychoactive substances unless called for because of a specific medical or psychiatric need. Not enough robust science has been done to understand what it does in the long term to the brain. Studies that have been done show them to be detrimental.

So if you're 15 and thinking about it, at least hold off and make that decision until you're 25 when your brain is done growing.

end of diatribe.
Podzol is dead-on right with this. Though most of y'all don't, I know from experience.

[ntappin]

During grade ten and the summer of grade nine I used to smoke alot of pot. I liked it, it was cheaper to get than booze and I could be home and sober in time to keep my parents happy. I enjoyed it alot, probably smoked a joint every weekend for about a year and a couple times a week during those summers. I stopped though, after finding myself doing it just for the hell of it and not really enjoying the high anymore. Haven't smoked since.

I really don't care if people smoke pot, just as long as its something they do occasionaly and not habitualy but I guess thats just the same thing as drinking or other drugs. It isn't the best thing for you but if you do want to compare it to other things, it is better for you than alcohol. Other than lung damage it does nothing permanent unless you are still developing. Due to the fact that it is pretty much unfiltered it is worse for your lungs than cigarettes but as long as you don't do it very often then it can heal.

Anyways, it can be fun, if you like it, otherwise more for other people. Actualy one thing I wouldn't mind doing again was making some brownies, I only did it once, but we made them perfectly and I remember it being pretty fun.

[boo radley]

there's a time in life for everything. for marijuana, that time would be late in high school or possibly during college. smoking when you're in your 30's is not desireable. and remember kids, everything in moderation.

[joshuni]

ok, so not too far off topic: i just did a unispin while inhaling (unless i run for president) on a blunt. am i the first person to ever spin a uni and smoke at the same time? (if so, then w00t, i knew i wouldn't be the first to pull any great tricks, but i can live with first to unispin while smoking). oh, and yes, i know i'll die of cancer, it's what i call my 30 year retirement plan. i'm hoping i can get on medicare and have welfare pay for my hospice therapy.
also, i'm pretty sure it's not too addicting, but it is darn fun.

[napalm]

I have smoked pot recreationally on a not too regular basis for the last year or so. (Maybe 10 times in the 12 months). I have never had a bad experience with it, but i know of some people that get paranoid or anxious. I used it mainly as a relaxant during my last year at school (it was easier to work the next day- better than a hangover). I no longer use it as the long term effects which can include psychosis (skitsophrenia- spelling?)and lung cancer are just too debilitating. There is no way i want to preech about not using the drug- just be aware of the possible outcomes. If you have weighed up the odds and are going to experiment make sure you have a good safe environment to do it in (and a supply of cornchips, chocolate and sour gummy worms....trust me on this one)
mark

[lucky_8]

i don't do drugs and i don't plan on doing drugs.

[max_pfeifer]

Ummm... Drugs are baaaaad, mmkay.

well said :p

Yay for south park :p

[cathwood]

Got it!
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36184
Has a lot of interesting stuff in it...and apparently many unicyclists are regular smokers. Personally I don't think that marijuana is as bad as people make it out to be...I don't think its any worse than smoking tobacco. Its just more addictive which can potentially make the effects worse. With that said, I haven't used it before and don't plan to ( :

No, no, tobacco is one of the (if not the) most addictive substances. Didn't we mention this in the smoking thread?

Cathy

[cathwood]

Do I believe in marijuana? Yes, I have actually SEEN some. I have not been a user for over 30 years because I don't like it. However I believe ALL drugs should be legalized, there should be NO drinking age, NO smoking age, NO driving age. You should be able to send your three year old daughter to the corner store to buy a nickel bag of herion.

I agree.

Taking the 'criminality' out of drug taking may lead to more people taking drugs but would lead to less of the crimes that are associated with drug taking.

(I didn't know that driving was a drug though).

Also something that no one has seemed to mentioned yet is that pot can make you seriously paranoid. And sometimes it leaves you like that.

The brain is more forgiving of alcohol than pot in the long run.

Cathy

[TheObieOne3226]

...this thread...


I put myself in the "habitual use" category.


To everyone who says, "I don't use drugs," I am sure you use drugs. Any medicine, food, beverages etc has something in it. Why let someone else tell you which you are allowed to use? Marijuana is bad but salvia is not simply because someone decided to make marijuana illegal?!

Musketman, you are either very funny or very, very misinformed.


Marijuana is not physically addictive (although Blake is right, it is psychologically addictive, I can attest)

Marijuana does not cause people to do stupid things (in my experiences anyways). People do not lose touch with reality or common sense while high.

Marijuana smoke is unhealthy, but no much less so than tobacco smoke. Also, a cigarette contains somewhere around a gram of tobacco. Smokers tend to smoke at least a half a pack a day, 10 cigarettes, 10 grams. Typically a person will not consume more than a gram of marijuana at a time. I heard somewhere that it would take smoking something like 200lbs (100800g) at once to kill a person. That would be impossible to do.


Not saying you should try it. Just saying you should be more informed before you make any decision, and especially before you chastise others.

[wheeliemaster]

I used to do it all the time when I was younger. It's not worth the money in my opinion. I only do it now on very rare occasions. I don't really like how it makes me feel anymore!

[harper]

(I didn't know that driving was a drug though).



No, it's not, any more than perpetual cell-phone chattering is or excessive forum posting. It's just my general philosophy. Allowing a benevolent government to implement controls to protect you is a step backwards.

[monkeyman]

excessive forum posting.
:o

[musketman]

...this thread...


I put myself in the "habitual use" category.


To everyone who says, "I don't use drugs," I am sure you use drugs. Any medicine, food, beverages etc has something in it. Why let someone else tell you which you are allowed to use? Marijuana is bad but salvia is not simply because someone decided to make marijuana illegal?!

Musketman, you are either very funny or very, very misinformed.


Marijuana is not physically addictive (although Blake is right, it is psychologically addictive, I can attest)

Marijuana does not cause people to do stupid things (in my experiences anyways). People do not lose touch with reality or common sense while high.

Marijuana smoke is unhealthy, but no much less so than tobacco smoke. Also, a cigarette contains somewhere around a gram of tobacco. Smokers tend to smoke at least a half a pack a day, 10 cigarettes, 10 grams. Typically a person will not consume more than a gram of marijuana at a time. I heard somewhere that it would take smoking something like 200lbs (100800g) at once to kill a person. That would be impossible to do.


Not saying you should try it. Just saying you should be more informed before you make any decision, and especially before you chastise others.


yes, so ive heard its not addicting but it gets psychologically addicting and therefore is addicting. Trust me, ive been with the biggest pot heads on those crappy all nighters at there house (dont ask me how i wound up with them at there house at night) and all they talk about all night and all day is smoking pot and getting high. I dont think u could get more addicted to marijuana than they were, and like i said it was marijuana...and like you said its a psychological addiction ;) Being with pot heads while there hight or getting high is the most boring thing ever!

[James_Potter]

yes, so ive heard its not addicting but it gets psychologically addicting and therefore is addicting. Trust me, ive been with the biggest pot heads on those crappy all nighters at there house (dont ask me how i wound up with them at there house at night) and all they talk about all night and all day is smoking pot and getting high. I dont think u could get more addicted to marijuana than they were, and like i said it was marijuana...and like you said its a psychological addiction ;) Being with pot heads while there hight or getting high is the most boring thing ever!
It is psychologically addicting...but are you going to let a plant take over your mind, or will you be stronger than that? Its difficult to do, but very possible. Those potheads you were with probably didn't have anything better to do, so they might as well get high, which is why they do it all the time.

[olmasters]

I am quite anti smoking, I am aware of people at school who use it. I am against people smoking in public as I do not wish to inhale second hand smoke. If people want to smoke at home, that is their right. If people want to smoke pot at home its fine by me. I think that really there isn't much difference between ciggs and pot, ciggs have chemicals in them. If you have pure pot than it will probably do less damage than ciggs, although there have been links or possible links to skitzophrenia. Really as long as people don't bother or harm others and use it in a responsible way, they are free to do so.

[abbabibble]

I am quite anti smoking, I am aware of people at school who use it. I am against people smoking in public as I do not wish to inhale second hand smoke. If people want to smoke at home, that is their right. If people want to smoke pot at home its fine by me. I think that really there isn't much difference between ciggs and pot, ciggs have chemicals in them. If you have pure pot than it will probably do less damage than ciggs, although there have been links or possible links to skitzophrenia. Really as long as people don't bother or harm others and use it in a responsible way, they are free to do so.

i like that philosophy.

[James_Potter]

i like that philosophy.
Me too, man...thats what I have always believed, that you should live your life how you see fit as long as it doesn't hurt others.

[ntappin]

Marijuana is bad but salvia is not simply because someone decided to make marijuana illegal?!


Funny you should mention salvia. From what I have heard it can be pretty crazy and cause halucinations and stuff making it in my mind, more dangerous than pot because you loose touch with reality. The wierd thing is that I legaly bought it once when I was fifteen, they even made sure I knew how to smoke it and since I didn't know whether or not I wanted purified or unpurified they gave me unpurified salvia for free. I didn't end up getting high from it even though I tried it probably three times but still it was pretty easy to get yet you rarely see anyone using it. My guess is that since it was never made illegal that it never gained popularity. I think that if pot were made legal now there would be a big boom in use but it would probably taper down a bit.

The biggest issue I notice about pot is that it is wayyy easier to get than alcohol if you are underage.

Me too, man...thats what I have always believed, that you should live your life how you see fit as long as it doesn't hurt others.

There is one problem with this though, that is that people with children will be exposing their children to the smoke and the kids don't really have any choice. It's not a problem that will go away but its still out there.

[maxisback]

Im cool with it

[unicycle6869]

;) Being with pot heads while there hight or getting high is the most boring thing ever!

Unless you're high! I agree that it's no fun for high people to be with sober people, or sober people be with high people. That also is true for drunk people too cause it's usually not very fun to be around a bunch of drunk people unless you are drunk.

[unicycle6869]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in to the mix. I'll admit I use marijuana quite frequently and have for the most part for the past several years. There are lots of reasons as to why I choose to do it and I won't list all of them but here's a couple; I think it's better than alchohol and more fun and safer, I like the feeling it gives me (making things taste better, making music sound better, etc.), I used to smoke cigarettes but realized they don't really do anything to you but harm you imo about the same or more as marijuana so I figured if I'm going to be smoking something, it might as well be pot instead of cigarettes, you can safely drive and do other things cause it doesn't make you see things or stuff like other drugs can do, and lastly it makes things more challenging and funner for me.

What I mean by that last one is that I enjoy things more usually when I'm high. Things look prettier, sound better, taste better etc. I often smoke before I go on Muni rides or sometimes on them, as long as the rides aren't too long. I actually think it might make me better, or at least boosts my self esteem so that it might not make me a better rider but because I'm feeling better and more confident than I perform better. Kinda hard to explain.

At MOAB this year I didn't smoke before any of the rides but for sure did after the rides to relax me and numb my pain so I could just chill out. The rides were just too long to smoke before them and I would probably get too winded. But on Sundays ride after we had rode for a few miles and turned around and were at the top where the rest of it was downhill, I found a nice little scenic spot away from everyone and burned one down. I had my music blaring and started down the sweet dangerous trail. And it was so much fun going down! And guess what? I didn't fall once the rest of the way back and there were some very technical/dangerous spots. It was perfect for me cause I had my music blaring, the beautiful scenery and I truley enjoyed it more than if I were sober.

So, lets review; I use it and am proud of it (I guess) and think it should be legalized. Now I'm not telling everyone that they should try it or use it regulary, but if they want to than I don't have a problem with it and don't think anyone else should have a problem with it. But I would recommend waiting until your late teens/early 20's to experiment with it, that's my only advice. Have fun but be safe!

[john_childs]

I don't think pot is a good drug for unicyclists. Pot affects your short term memory and your ability to learn new things like new unicycle skills and new concepts at school. The affects stay with you for a week or more.

Given that most serious unicyclists like to learn new skills I would think they would choose to avoid pot if they knew it was affecting their ability to learn new skills as quickly. Same goes for pot use while attending school (middle school, high school, or college) since it affects your ability to learn as effectively.

For the issue of legality I would prefer that pot was legal and easy to get. The main reason why pot is a gateway drug is because you have to go to a drug dealer to get it. Once you know a drug dealer it is easy to get other drugs.

I don't care if people smoke marijuana as long as they are responsible (don't drive stoned) and don't steal my stuff or damage property to pay for their habit. In fact, that's the way I feel about pretty much all drugs. The fact that they are illegal is worse than the societal effects of having addicted people in society. If the drugs were legal people would be able to get reliable and clean supplies of their drug(s) and not have to deal with things like tainted heroin that kills you. Legal drugs would also eliminate a major profit center for many violent gangs.

For me I enjoy being active and being able to do and learn new things. I wouldn't do pot even if it was legal just because it would affect what I enjoy doing (unicycling and big muni rides).

[unicycle6869]

I don't think pot is a good drug for unicyclists. Pot affects your short term memory and your ability to learn new things like new unicycle skills and new concepts at school. The affects stay with you for a week or more.

Given that most serious unicyclists like to learn new skills I would think they would choose to avoid pot if they knew it was affecting their ability to learn new skills as quickly. Same goes for pot use while attending school (middle school, high school, or college) since it affects your ability to learn as effectively.

I don't care if people smoke marijuana as long as they are responsible (don't drive stoned) and don't steal my stuff or damage property to pay for their habit. In fact, that's the way I feel about pretty much all drugs. The fact that they are illegal is worse than the societal effects of having addicted people in society. If the drugs were legal people would be able to get reliable and clean supplies of their drug(s) and not have to deal with things like tainted heroin that kills you. Legal drugs would also eliminate a major profit center for many violent gangs.

For me I enjoy being active and being able to do and learn new things. I wouldn't do pot even if it was legal just because it would affect what I enjoy doing (unicycling and big muni rides).

What? I think Pot is a great drug for unicyclists! Just kidding, kind of. I agree that it does affect your short term memory and I personally have noticed that I can't learn new tricks as fast or as good as I used to but I don't think pot is the only reason to it. I think that just aging effects your learning ability too. It seems as though teenagers can learn new tricks much better and faster than say 30 year olds and even faster and better than say 40 or 50 year olds and so on....

I smoked while in college and still got good grades (B average) so I can't say that it affects your learning THAT much but am sure it does to some degree. I really wish the stupid government would actually do a TON more studies on marijuana cause otherwise we're all just guessing what it does....and none of us knows for sure what it really does.

And I know I'll probably get crap for this but I drive stoned all the time (almost everyday) but hear me out. I read about a study someone did about people driving stoned vs. sober and the study actually said that the stoned drivers we more careful while driving. This is due to them being paranoid which makes them drive slower than sober people thus safer cause usually slower means safer. Reaction times were the same between the two groups so all in all, I believe it is OK to drive while stoned and is responsible. Now if you've never tried it before than please don't comment on this cause you have no idea how or what you feel when you're high. It'd be like someone that's never tried caffeine (which is an addicting drug) to tell someone it's not safe to drive while on caffiene even though they don't know what's it's like to be on caffeine.

Some other reasons why I drive is because it's the best place for me to do it cause I can't do it in my home and don't know many other places I can do it. So it's easy and convienent. I've been doing it for 5 plus years (lets just say I've probably driven stoned 1000plus times) and have yet to get into an accident or do anything stupid while driving. I have been pulled over numerous times baked and have yet to get arrested or in trouble, just a speeding ticket. I would say I'm an experienced user so I know how/what I feel therefore I would not suggest others to drive unless they've been doing it for awhile and used to the high feeling. Plus it makes road trips that much funner and faster! So those are my reasons as to why I choose to do it while driving....good or bad, I believe I'm 100% responsible. And I have never nor would never steal or damage property because of marijuana.

Lastly, you say "I wouldn't do pot even if it was legal just because it would affect what I enjoy doing (unicycling and big muni rides)". My only suggestion on that is yes it may affect it but it may be positively and make you like unicycling even more!

[Unitik908]

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in to the mix. I'll admit I use marijuana quite frequently and have for the most part for the past several years. There are lots of reasons as to why I choose to do it and I won't list all of them but here's a couple; I think it's better than alchohol and more fun and safer, I like the feeling it gives me (making things taste better, making music sound better, etc.), I used to smoke cigarettes but realized they don't really do anything to you but harm you imo about the same or more as marijuana so I figured if I'm going to be smoking something, it might as well be pot instead of cigarettes, you can safely drive and do other things cause it doesn't make you see things or stuff like other drugs can do, and lastly it makes things more challenging and funner for me.

What I mean by that last one is that I enjoy things more usually when I'm high. Things look prettier, sound better, taste better etc. I often smoke before I go on Muni rides or sometimes on them, as long as the rides aren't too long. I actually think it might make me better, or at least boosts my self esteem so that it might not make me a better rider but because I'm feeling better and more confident than I perform better. Kinda hard to explain.


So, lets review; I use it and am proud of it (I guess) and think it should be legalized. Now I'm not telling everyone that they should try it or use it regulary, but if they want to than I don't have a problem with it and don't think anyone else should have a problem with it. But I would recommend waiting until your late teens/early 20's to experiment with it, that's my only advice. Have fun but be safe!

Wow.... thats is EXACTLY what i feel... just much better written and much better grammar.. i smoke the tweed... i wouldnt say im proud of it... but i am in a weird kinda way..

Something crazy like 83% of my school drinks alcohol frequently.. and i have seen what it does to people... There are so many fights and stuff between drunk people at parties...

I am not against drinking by any means.. i just choose not to do it.. Just this spring break.. as you can imagin for me was full of drinking and smoking at parties.. and a few of my drinking friends got in a huge fight with other people.. and my one friend got a knife pulled to his throat.. all becuase they were drunk.. and i mean come on people... if everyone was high.. there would have been no fight.. strait up...

also it urks me to no end when people say smoking is gross and are totally against it.. because at parties i will walk up to them and say, "Look, i am way high and way enjoying myself," and i will be way chill, not sluring my words, and can act totally strait.. just that everything is more fun. then ill say" look at them, they are way drunk and way enjoying themselves," but they will be sluring their words and breaking stuff(sterotype) and puking

which brings me to my next point, smoking does not cuase one to puke..or have any effects the morning after.. no headache and sour stomach no anything.. thats one of the resons i smoke over drink

All in all, i love marijuana.. My favorite thing to do in the whole world is to uni while "under the influence" thats when i learn most of my tricks.. I beleive marijuana should be legalized becuase it does much less damge then alcohol, in my opinion. Thank you and good night

If this has changed anyones veiw on me then i apologize

Chase

[unicycle6869]

Wow.... thats is EXACTLY what i feel... just much better written and much better grammar.. i smoke the tweed... i wouldnt say im proud of it... but i am in a weird kinda way..

Something crazy like 83% of my school drinks alcohol frequently.. and i have seen what it does to people... There are so many fights and stuff between drunk people at parties...

which brings me to my next point, smoking does not cuase one to puke..or have any effects the morning after.. no headache and sour stomach no anything.. thats one of the resons i smoke over drink

All in all, i love marijuana.. My favorite thing to do in the whole world is to uni while "under the influence" thats when i learn most of my tricks.. I beleive marijuana should be legalized becuase it does much less damge then alcohol, in my opinion. Thank you and good night

If this has changed anyones veiw on me then i apologize

Chase

I'm sure there are lots of people with my same views (like you) and lots with totally opposite views but that's OK as long as we can all get along, right?! I totally agree (and forgot) about how mellow Pot makes you and how wild and crazy drinking makes you, thus more fights and more things get broken when you're drunk vs. high. Good point. And of course you can't forget hangovers with drinking but none with good ol Mary Jane.

Since you are only 15, my only suggestion would be to take it easy and don't do it everyday but only at parties on weekends and stuff. It does effect your learning abilities, not a ton but some.

One last thing I'd like to note is that many of my friends and family don't even know I do it (or at least as much as I do). And I do it sometimes before I see these people and they don't even know so it must not affect a person that much. Unlike alcholol or other drugs where you can for sure tell if someone is drunk all the time by the way they talk, smell and act. I guess my point is that you can almost be perfectly normal while high and not too many people will figure it out. The only way is if they smell it (roll down the windows when you're down to air out), you get the giggles or they see your red eyes (use Visine or Clear Eyes). Happy smokings....I think it's about that time!

[BillyTheMountain]

Didn't the Olympic committee refer to marijuana as a "performance enhancing drug" when the snow boarders were testing positive for it 4 years ago?

I don't think it is. I don't think the snow boarders thought it was either.

[trials_uni]

its wierd that you guys mention salvia...thats the one thing i'd never try (besides the obvious chemical drugs cocain, crack, meth ,shrooms) ive seen some people completely lose it on salvia its one of the worst highs you can be on but it only lasts for a few minues.

[carsonpalooza]

what I'd like to see is some unbiased facts because in school they tell you it worse than a cig. and then users tell you how good it is.

I did a quick search on google and found how it effects driving:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html

[polyphonic Hippie]

My father caught my smoking pot when i was about 15. Man he was angry he grounded me for a whole summer over that he told me if he ever cought me smoking it again he would turn me in to the cops and find out who i was getting it off. I respected my dad enough to never smoke pot again.
Then on the night of my 19th birthday my dad and i were sitting alone in the kitchen. He skinned up a phat one right there in front of me, took a long draw and in the same breath passed it to me and said "Thats gonna be a lot better than that other.............. shit i cought you smokin"

Turns out my dad had been smokin since the 70s.

So as you could guess i dont see anything wrong with enjoying some quailty grown AK in the comfort of your own home.

My mother does have a problem with me smoking weed but see drinks alchohol and i dont.

From my own experience
Alchohol makes you violent, angry, spiteful, aggressive, and lastly hung over.
Pot makes you calm, happy, relaxed, gives you hightened senses and lastly makes you hungry.
If you over dose on pot you will fall asleep

[QUOTE=unicycle6869]
I enjoy things more usually when I'm high. Things look prettier, sound better, taste better etc. I often smoke before I go on Muni rides or sometimes on them, as long as the rides aren't too long. I actually think it might make me better, or at least boosts my self esteem so that it might not make me a better rider but because I'm feeling better and more confident than I perform better. Kinda hard to explain.

I dont think that could have been put any better.. spoken like a true Head...

[James_Potter]

I did a quick search on google and found how it effects driving:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html
Figures from previous studies of automobile accident victims show that from 6 to 12 percent of nonfatally injured drivers and 4 to 16 percent of fatally injured drivers had tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in their bloodstream, Dr. Heishman said. One study showed that 32 percent of drivers in a shock trauma unit in Baltimore had marijuana in their bloodstream, he noted. However, in most of these studies, the majority of subjects who tested positive for THC also tested positive for alcohol, making it difficult to single out THC's effect on driving.

Only 16 percent, thats a very small amount...certainly not enough to be the cause of car accidents. It also says that most of them also had alcohol in their system, so this could have been the cause...I think that means that alcohol is the cause more often than marijuana.

"Employees who report marijuana use are different from nonusers," said Dr. Lehman. They are much more likely than nonusers to have arrest histories, low self-esteem, high rates of depression, and friends who are deviant. Many marijuana smokers also have alcohol-related problems. One-third of marijuana users in the surveys reported they drank frequently, one-half said they got drunk, and 60 percent reported a problem with alcohol use, according to Dr. Lehman.
This one says basically the same thing...it says some people who smoke can be bad people, but then it says they're also into alcohol. Nothing really says anything about people who smoke only marijuana, but don't drink.

[unicycle6869]

I did a quick search on google and found how it effects driving:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html

Interesting but I don't buy it. There's always two sides to a story and I know of another study that showed just the opposite results. Guess it depends on who you ask and who does the experiment. Plus it didn't state if these were first time users or occasional users (where yes driving will affect these people) or chronic users (where I'm guessing people that smoke often would be better at these tests). Basically it all depends on how the test was set up and you could set it up anyway you wanted to get the results you want. I'm guessing they tested this on first time users or occasional users that don't smoke very often, but that's just my personal opinion. The study I know about that shows it doesn't affect drivers (actually makes the safer drivers) probably used chronic users to get the results they wanted?!

The article states: "Twenty minutes after smoking the cigarettes, the subjects were given a standard sobriety test similar to a roadside sobriety test. The test showed that marijuana significantly impaired their ability to stand on one leg for 30 seconds or touch their finger to their nose. As the dose of THC increased, the subjects swayed more, raised their arms, and had to put their feet down in an attempt to maintain their balance. Subjects also committed 2.5 times more errors when they attempted to touch their nose with their finger."

Well, I can garuentee that if they tested me I would pass with 100% confidence. Maybe it's cause I'm a unicyclist with good balence or maybe it's cause I smoke alot and am used to it, either way I know for a fact I would pass those tests with no problem. Heck, I can do a 360 uni spin baked let alone stand on one foot.

[joshuni]

wow, would anyone be interested in going to a norml (nat. org for reform of mari. legislation <- i think) protest or event and riding? or maybe even just getting together together for our own one wheeled reform event? i bet that we would get some not too negitive attention from the media. pm me if interested! (not that i condone ANYTHING that i'm told not to do by my peace keeping freedom loving government...lol)

...
i swear, the weirdest thing just happened, i was about to post and someone knocks on the door. it's a kid wearing a yellow hat and a polo shirt that say "weed man" on it. he must think i'm retarded, because i opened the door and immediatly went down laughing. he probably knew what was up, i'm sure someone has run that by him. as a public service announcement, the weed man of apex, NC, USA is offering a free lawn nutrient analisys. but yeah, randomness is great.

[James_Potter]

Didn't the Olympic committee refer to marijuana as a "performance enhancing drug" when the snow boarders were testing positive for it 4 years ago?
I don't think it is. I don't think the snow boarders thought it was either.
I donno about that, but I know someone who placed in the Idaho state track meet with a 1:54* or something while he was high...he was fast without drugs, though. But still.




*really fast

[harper]

wow, would anyone be interested in going to a norml (nat. org for reform of mari. legislation <- i think) protest or event and riding?

Interestingly enough, we had an out-of-town rider in for an urban Coker ride during a NORML event. I'm pretty sure it was Mark Stephens on this particular occassion. The waterfront parks are among our favorite locations on urban rides. We had failed to notice that the NORML folks were having their big rally at one of the parks. They wouldn't let us ride through. Too narrow minded, I suppose. We rode away chanting, "legalize unicycling."

[harper]

I donno about that, but I know someone who placed in the Idaho state track meet with a 1:54* or something while he was high...he was fast without drugs, though. But still.




*really fast

That's a pretty slow 100m dash.

[James_Potter]

That's a pretty slow 100m dash.
ohh, haha, I thought I mentioned it was for the 800m ( :

[maestro8]

Figures from previous studies blah blah
correlation != causation
this is very, very hard for a lot of "campaigners" to deal with, no matter what side of the issue they are on. arguments based on numbers and "extreme cases" don't convince me of anything other than someone's bias.

[john_childs]

From my own experience
Alchohol makes you violent, angry, spiteful, aggressive, and lastly hung over.
Pot makes you calm, happy, relaxed, gives you hightened senses and lastly makes you hungry.
If you over dose on pot you will fall asleep

Alcohol makes some people violent and aggressive. It depends on the person. Some people become a violent drunk and others stay calm and mellow. But yeah, if you're at a party with lots of drunk young folks you'll certainly have at least a few of the violent type.

One problem with teens and young 20 somethings is that they usually drink to get drunk. Will a teen at a party chose to have just one beer? Not likely.

I can't remember the last time I got drunk. I drink beer and enjoy a good beer, but I don't drink enough to get drunk. One or two pints is all I'll usually have and that's usually with food.

[john_childs]

correlation != causation
this is very, very hard for a lot of "campaigners" to deal with, no matter what side of the issue they are on. arguments based on numbers and "extreme cases" don't convince me of anything other than someone's bias.
Indeed. I always enjoyed the example given in many statistics text books that shows a correlation between rum sales and the number of Methodist ministers. Doesn't mean a cause and effect. There are other factors involved that cause the false correlation.
Interpretation of correlations (http://www.childrensmercy.org/stats/definitions/correlation.htm).

You should be cautious not to overinterpret correlation coefficients. Do not assume that correlation equals causation. Also be careful about how the data was collected. A narrowly restricted sample could lead to a deflation in the correlation.

Correlation does not imply cause and effect.

Sales of rum and number of Methodist ministers is positively correlated, but a large number of ministers does not encourage rum drinking.

Is there a third variable that influences both rum sales and Methodist ministers?

The the previous example, both the sales of rum and the number of Methodists ministers were correlated with the number of people in the U.S. As the number of people increases, it causes an increase in demand for both Methodist ministers and for rum.

If you adjusted for the number of people, for example by computing the sales of rum and the number of ministers per capita, then the association would disappear.

There are many examples where a high correlation between two variables can be explained by a third factor. Always look for an alternate explanation of the correlation.

For example, hay yields are negatively correlated with the average springtime temperature. This seems counterintuitive. But it is easy to understand once you realize that hay yields are highly dependent on springtime rainfalls. And a rainy Spring is usually cooler than a dry Spring.

[James_Potter]

Indeed. I always enjoyed the example given in many statistics text books that shows a correlation between rum sales and the number of Methodist ministers. Doesn't mean a cause and effect. There are other factors involved that cause the false correlation.
exactly...reminds me of this graph.
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg

[toddw9]

I can't remember the last time I got drunk. I drink beer and enjoy a good beer, but I don't drink enough to get drunk. One or two pints is all I'll usually have and that's usually with food.

That's exactly me right there.

As far as drunkenness goes, I agree with the fact that it completely depends on the person. Some people get violent, that doesn't mean that everybody who gets drunk gets violent.

[john_childs]

As far as drunkenness goes, I agree with the fact that it completely depends on the person. Some people get violent, that doesn't mean that everybody who gets drunk gets violent.
Yup. The advantage there is that the people who are aggressive or violent drunks are assholes in normal (sober) life too. It's a good way to weed out the assholes from your circle of acquaintances.

I'm not implying a cause and effect relationship there (given the above posts). Just a personal observation that aggressive drunks are also assholes while sober.

Girls, before you date a guy get him drunk. If he gets violent or aggressive don't ever go near him again. A violent drunk is a sure sign he's going to be an asshole.

[unicycle6869]

exactly...reminds me of this graph.
http://www.venganza.org/piratesarecool4.jpg

Thats the funniest thing ever and made me laugh uncontrollably. Thanks!

[Gilby]

Thats the funniest thing ever and made me laugh uncontrollably. Thanks!
You should check out the website it's from: www.venganza.org

[toddw9]

Girls, before you date a guy get him drunk. If he gets violent or aggressive don't ever go near him again. A violent drunk is a sure sign he's going to be an asshole.

never really thought about that, but it makes perfect sense.

One problem if a girl were to try this test on me: As much as I like to have a good beer from time to time, I really have no desire to get drunk, and very rarely drink hard alcohol. I haven't been drunk in a very long time, so I'm not convinced that it would necessarily work as a test for me. I am not at all a violent drunk (I guess you'll have to take my word on that one), and when I'm with a girl, I especially want to keep myself at a point where I can think straight and have complete control of my actions. In my mind, it's a matter of displaying responsibility.

The same goes with any type of drug. At the very least, being responsible and unoffensive is critical. Personally, I avoid them altogether so that it isn't even an issue.

[napalm]

On my 18th Birthday my dad tried one of those father son talk things. The message was good- that in life there are 2 types of drunk people, singers and fighters. I have found it to be pretty accurate, although it's delivery was interupted by a humungus belch and a swig from his beer! lol. I found out that night that my dad was well and truely a singer.
mark

[GhettoSmurf]

i used to blaze like once a day on average but I got arested so now i get drug tested

I belive weed is beautiful

[underdog]

Got it!
http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36184
Has a lot of interesting stuff in it...and apparently many unicyclists are regular smokers. Personally I don't think that marijuana is as bad as people make it out to be...I don't think its any worse than smoking tobacco. Its just more addictive which can potentially make the effects worse. With that said, I haven't used it before and don't plan to ( :

Disclaimer: this is a long thread and I didn't feel like reading the whole thing so, forgive me if someone's already addressed this one.

Wait just a doggone minute here! Marijuana more addicting than tobacco? Man, you oughta do a little research. I've been around a very long time and have know an awful lot of pot smokers and I've NEVER known anyone who I would've considered addicted. NEVER. Now, how many cigarette smokers have you (or anyone, for that matter) known who could just up and quit. It's damn near impossible. Why? Because tobacco is one of the single most addictive substances known to man. Virtually anybody who wants to quit tobacco has to go through all kinds of help programs and nicorette gum and the patch. The success rate is still incredibly low. I know literally dozens of people who just one day decided they were tired of smoking pot and just stopped. No pain, no withdrawals, no cravings. Nothing. There has been a ton of research done to corroborate this.

[entropy]

Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread:

Some companies require you to pass a drug test before being hired as an employee. In the United States, marijuana is one of the substances that they screen for. Failing the test blocks you from the job, no questions asked.

Having a drug-related conviction surface when a company performs a background check as part of the hiring process will probably keep you from getting hired too.

Depending upon your career aspirations, it might be prudent to seek highs elsewhere.

[drewation]

Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread:

Some companies require you to pass a drug test before being hired as an employee. In the United States, marijuana is one of the substances that they screen for. Failing the test blocks you from the job, no questions asked.

Having a drug-related conviction surface when a company performs a background check as part of the hiring process will probably keep you from getting hired too.

Depending upon your career aspirations, it might be prudent to seek highs elsewhere.


interessting i wonder how they would react if it was legalized

[James_Potter]

interessting i wonder how they would react if it was legalized
Probably how companies act now towards cigarettes.

[dan de man]

On my 18th Birthday my dad tried one of those father son talk things. The message was good- that in life there are 2 types of drunk people, singers and fighters. I have found it to be pretty accurate, although it's delivery was interupted by a humungus belch and a swig from his beer! lol. I found out that night that my dad was well and truely a singer.
mark
i disagree wit that view there the singers the firhgters and the omg thats amazing gimmea a go heres alll my money drunks

[unisteve]

You disagree with what, dan de man?

I didn't understand anything you said.

[dan de man]

i disagree wit that view there the singers the firhgters and the omg thats amazing gimmea a go heres alll my money drunks
as i ussally do i made 1or 3 to many spelling errors here it is rewritten

I disagree with that view ,there are the singers,the fighters and the"omg thats amazing gimmea a go on that thing and and heres all my money"drunks

(if you cant tell im referring to street peforming on a uni) and the thrird one happened to me

[napalm]

Dan de man- i actually thought your first post was a hilarious deliberate play on being a drunked, but after reading your seccond post i stand a littel dissapointed:D
However, if i come accross any of those drunks you mention of i shall be very happy indeed $CHACHING$
mark

[koebwil]

Probably how companies act now towards cigarettes.More likely how they act towards alcohol.

[unicycle6869]

Something I haven't seen mentioned in this thread:

Some companies require you to pass a drug test before being hired as an employee. In the United States, marijuana is one of the substances that they screen for. Failing the test blocks you from the job, no questions asked.

Having a drug-related conviction surface when a company performs a background check as part of the hiring process will probably keep you from getting hired too.

Depending upon your career aspirations, it might be prudent to seek highs elsewhere.

I think testing for marijuana in someones system is a big waste of companies money. Yes, I do think they should maybe check for bad drugs like cocain, herion, etc. but not marijuana. Furthermore, if someone does smoke pot and doesn't want to quit for a job, it is soooooooooo EASY to pass the drug test. I know from personal experience. I had to do a drug test for an intern I had. Well, you can go to any shop that sells pipes or go online and find all kinds of different things you can take before the test which will make you pass the drug test. Since marijuana stays in your system for up to a month, I wasn't about to quit for a month just to pass so I bought some of this "medicine" that makes you pass drug tests. I actually smoked the day before my test, drank the "medicine", took the test and passed with flying colors. Just goes to show you that they shouldn't be looking for marijuana cause it's so easy to get around.

Now having a drug related conviction is a different story cause you can't get around that one. You just have to be very careful and not do anything stupid, like carrying a ton of the stuff around with you, smoking in public areas, etc. so that you don't get any drug related convictions.

[cathwood]

I used to be a paediatric nurse and most weekends we would have a drunken young person being admitted to the ward because they had drunk so much that they passed out. We would either just admit them and observe (for choking on vomit) or we would put them on a drip and observe. Either way they would wake up the next day and go home.

One weekend we had someone who didn't wake up for nearly 3 days - tests showed that he had also been smoking pot.

Cathy

[unicycle6869]

I used to be a paediatric nurse and most weekends we would have a drunken young person being admitted to the ward because they had drunk so much that they passed out. We would either just admit them and observe (for choking on vomit) or we would put them on a drip and observe. Either way they would wake up the next day and go home.

One weekend we had someone who didn't wake up for nearly 3 days - tests showed that he had also been smoking pot.

Cathy
Lets not turn this into a alchohol thread! At least you mentioned pot but it really doesn't have much to do with the alcoholic. He may have smoked weeks ago. Just cause he had THC in his system doesn't mean he had just done it.

[cathwood]

Lets not turn this into a alchohol thread! At least you mentioned pot but it really doesn't have much to do with the alcoholic. He may have smoked weeks ago. Just cause he had THC in his system doesn't mean he had just done it.

The docs gave that as the reason he did not wake up. We'd never had a person who had just inalcohgested alcohol who had slept that long.

Anyway, alcohol has been mentioned all the way through this thread, it's an integral part of it, so I can talk about it if I want to.

Cathy

[unign]

Well, after hearing a million things from people who never did it let's hear some stuff from people who have smoked it because you really don't know if you've never done it.

[joshuni]

The docs gave that as the reason he did not wake up. We'd never had a person who had just inalcohgested alcohol who had slept that long.

Anyway, alcohol has been mentioned all the way through this thread, it's an integral part of it, so I can talk about it if I want to.

Cathy

omg, 3 days?!? dang, i'ld at least walk to the vending machine to get some munchies and a sprite.
2 things in responce:
1) 3 DAYS - sounds like a meth or coke crash to me (that stuff is bad, i had to fire my best friend of 3 years where i worked cause he did it on the desk in front of a camera)
2) a pediactric nurse? like for kids? you guys accept drunk people? i see how that goes, "sir. please go wait in the elephant room and the doctor will be right in to bring you a lolipop and make sure you haven't soiled yourself"

i don't think you will, but please don't take offence to the joke about your career, i respect all health care professionals.

[joshuni]

a torker 24 and 2 zig zags, baby thats all i need. i'm gonna goto the park after dark and grind that bench indeed. and as the marijuana burns we can take our turns tellin Upd stories... (yeah, it doesn't flow as well, but i ride unicycles, not compose gansta' rap)

[dan de man]

would this work . we did this experiment in science class were you drill a hole in the lid and bottom of a plastice bottle the get a cig and put it through the lid's hole a blue tak it there then fill the bottle w/ water( w/ your finger over the hole of course) then put the lid w/ the cig in it on lite the cig and let the water run out

when the water runs out take cig out and tape both holes shut

Result: as water comes out it sucks smoke in when you tape the holes you pretty much get a bottle of smoke


now the question is this possible with weed if so ive found a new way to smuggle weed into school w/out the weed part

[epistolize]

would this work . we did this experiment in science class were you drill a hole in the lid and bottom of a plastice bottle the get a cig and put it through the lid's hole a blue tak it there then fill the bottle w/ water( w/ your finger over the hole of course) then put the lid w/ the cig in it on lite the cig and let the water run out

when the water runs out take cig out and tape both holes shut

Result: as water comes out it sucks smoke in when you tape the holes you pretty much get a bottle of smoke


now the question is this possible with weed if so ive found a new way to smuggle weed into school w/out the weed part

Why?

And why not use a bong (or even a bucket)?

[skianduniaddict]

pot is the most asshole thing invented its not cool and it will kill u surely and slowly u know how to get high try going 80 mph thats more high than pot its so fast i have to go to a chiropractor to realign my spine

[Jerrick]

pot is the most asshole thing invented its not cool and it will kill u surely and slowly u know how to get high try going 80 mph thats more high than pot its so fast i have to go to a chiropractor to realign my spine

All im gonna say is, I disagree with the use of pot

[James_Potter]

pot is the most asshole thing invented its not cool and it will kill u surely and slowly u know how to get high try going 80 mph thats more high than pot its so fast i have to go to a chiropractor to realign my spine
Judging by your use of the English language, most of the pot smokers on these forums are much more educated than you, so I hope you won't mind when I say that you're straight up wrong.

PS marijuana was not invented....

[cathwood]

omg, 3 days?!? dang, i'ld at least walk to the vending machine to get some munchies and a sprite.
2 things in responce:
1) 3 DAYS - sounds like a meth or coke crash to me (that stuff is bad, i had to fire my best friend of 3 years where i worked cause he did it on the desk in front of a camera)
2) a pediactric nurse? like for kids? you guys accept drunk people? i see how that goes, "sir. please go wait in the elephant room and the doctor will be right in to bring you a lolipop and make sure you haven't soiled yourself"

i don't think you will, but please don't take offence to the joke about your career, i respect all health care professionals.

1) Well nothing else showed up in his blood/urine.
2) Yes, a nurse for kids. I think the youngest passed out drunk that I remember was 10years old. We would accept them up to the age of 16.

And no I wouldn't take offence, even if I still did the job (which I don't)

Cathy

[joshuni]

would this work . we did this experiment in science class were you drill a hole in the lid and bottom of a plastice bottle the get a cig and put it through the lid's hole a blue tak it there then fill the bottle w/ water( w/ your finger over the hole of course) then put the lid w/ the cig in it on lite the cig and let the water run out

when the water runs out take cig out and tape both holes shut

Result: as water comes out it sucks smoke in when you tape the holes you pretty much get a bottle of smoke


now the question is this possible with weed if so ive found a new way to smuggle weed into school w/out the weed part

as a master of the art, i made a smoke keg fairly recently. it does work, but the smoke in the container goes "stale" and settles like it does if you smoke in your car at night and open the door the next morning. so short answer, no, the keg meathod isn't effective. i don't have a balloon to try, but i imagine that a balloon would work better. (not the same at all, but that's how i brought nos to the beach). i'm always looking for ways to be less conspicuous, and i simply can't imagine that even if it worked perfectly, eventually the faculty at your school would become suspicious of your smokey, funny smelling 2 liter emergency inhaler. try cooking with your trees. it takes more, but you actually have some chance of not getting caught with your ganga cookies as you nibble in class. try not to laugh retardedly if the teacher catches you and asks if "you brought enough for everybody." oh, eating thc oil is kinda different then smoking, and gets you blitzed for like 6 hours.

on a more serious note, you'll find that staying sober while your in class is definatly the better option, and if you ever get busted, you can pretty much kiss any federal colege funding goodbye. (not like i had any to lose anyway. lol)

[ProFish_Daddy]

My name Is Anthony and I just joined like 2 sec. ago. :eek: I just have to say, I don't think pot should be leagalized, I think tabocco should be illegalized!!!

[James_Potter]

My name Is Anthony and I just joined like 2 sec. ago. :eek: I just have to say, I don't think pot should be leagalized, I think tabocco should be illegalized!!!
Why do you think that?

[ProFish_Daddy]

because it's whorse for you than marijuana

[James_Potter]

I know that, but why do you think either of them should be illegalized?
Don't you think it is a human right to have free will to be able to choose for oneself between good and evil?

[ProFish_Daddy]

I know that, but why do you think either of them should be illegalized?
Don't you think it is a human right to have free will to be able to choose for oneself between good and evil?

Actually, I change my mind. It should be leagalized BECAUSE... alot People smoke weed cause its illaegal

[James_Potter]

I agree with that, yes...and I think thats dumb. Less people certainly would smoke marijuana if it were legal. However, thats not why I want it legalized...I want it legalized because people should be given free will, not had their decisions made for them by Big Brother.

[ProFish_Daddy]

I dissagree. I think laws are very good and is only common sense

[Victory]

I want it legalized because people should be given free will, not had their decisions made for them by Big Brother.

Do you believe that in all situations? Generally rules are put in place to help people.

[DK]

Do you believe that in all situations? Generally rules are put in place to help people.

There shouldnt be punishment for victimless "crimes."

[James_Potter]

How about this...people should be educated in school. They should be given 100% of the facts and knowledge that teachers think they need to survive in the world, then after they know all that they need to, let everyone decide their life for themselves after that.

[john_childs]

I dissagree. I think laws are very good and is only common sense
Government isn't there to be your mom. It is not the purpose of government to make laws to keep you from making non-optimal decisions in your life. We should be free to make decisions that might have negative consequences on our expected life span. What's next? How about making mountain climbing illegal because it is dangerous? How about making eating at McDonalds illegal because the food is high in fat? There are things that are non of the government's business and they shouldn't be making laws just because they feel it is the right thing to do to save you from yourself.

[musketman]

I dissagree. I think laws are very good and is only common sense

yea the law is there for a reason, if we legalized marijuana i think it would just get worse.


It's common sense

[Unitik908]

pot is the most asshole thing invented its not cool and it will kill u surely and slowly u know how to get high try going 80 mph thats more high than pot its so fast i have to go to a chiropractor to realign my spine

man whats weird is that is how i wa when i was 12 when my brother was caught...

Chase

[Gilby]

Do you believe that in all situations? Generally rules are put in place to help people.
The intent of laws are to protect you from others, not to protect you from yourself. Once they start mandating you to do anything to protect yourself that has no effect on others, then you have lost all your freedom.

[koebwil]

The intent of laws are to protect you from others, not to protect you from yourself. Once they start mandating you to do anything to protect yourself that has no effect on others, then you have lost all your freedom.
Preach it Gilby

[john_childs]

Preach it Gilby
Indeed.
Would be nice if the majority of voters also believed in that philosophy for government. Then we wouldn't get a majority of voters enacting things like helmet laws and other nanny laws that protect people from themselves.

[boo radley]

"if you don’t buy the conspiracy, just look at the reality that your tax dollars go to spray poison on the fields of a farmer in South America. And as an added bonus, your neighbor might be the proud recipient of that poison weed.

Oh marijuana…a gift of God to my brothers and me. Oh marijuana…you can’t legislate your own morality. Oh marijuana…the government wants to test me when I pee."

[BillyTheMountain]

The intent of laws are to protect you from others, not to protect you from yourself. Once they start mandating you to do anything to protect yourself that has no effect on others, then you have lost all your freedom.

Gilby,

You're trippin'! You got something extra in whatever you've been smokin'.

Billy
Ariel Atom (http://www.arielatom.com)

"Come on you target for far away laughter,
come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine..." - Pink Floyd

[cathwood]

The intent of laws are to protect you from others, not to protect you from yourself. Once they start mandating you to do anything to protect yourself that has no effect on others, then you have lost all your freedom.

Unfortunately some people are freer than others in this regard.

Take Stroke for instance. Stroke is a largely preventable thing (although not totally). It can be prevented by people stopping smoking, having lower colesterol, not drinking too much, taking exercise and not eating too much salt.

Our government has pledged to reduce the incidence of stoke by a certain amount by the year 2010 (now is this interference or is it help or is it health care??) Anyway, they going to do this be 'targetting' the unhealthy people (presumably by preaching about how unhealthy they are).

Now take salt. There is lots of 'hidden' salt in processed foods. One slice of bread has more salt in it than a packet of crisps. This may (or may not) be shown on the food labels.

In our individualistic (lets have freedom/choice at any cost) society it is up to the individual to monitor the amount of salt in thier diet (although this may not always be possible - due to the salt content being hidden). It's OK for those who are well off and can afford the more expensive 'pure' foods. But processed foods are cheaper, so for those who have little money these are preferable. Funny enough these are the unhealthiest people in our society.

So some people are 'freer' than others to have less salt in thier diet and so avoid a stroke.

I think it would be better for the government to legistlate against the inclusion of hidden salt in these foods. Yes it would restrict our freedom to eat hidden salt if we want to, but in the end it would have greater benefits to the greater amount of people, without the individual being blamed for putting strain on the resources of the NHS.

OOps. Sorry for digressing.

Cathy

[cathwood]

yea the law is there for a reason, if we legalized marijuana i think it would just get worse.




Sorry, you've lost me, what would get worse?

Cathy

[koebwil]

Don't worry that's the only way we can convince some people that legalizing would be good.

The only problem I see with legalizing is that there would be a lot of people getting out of jail. None of them would have jobs then, but they would probably just deal.

[James_Potter]

Don't worry that's the only way we can convince some people that legalizing would be good.

The only problem I see with legalizing is that there would be a lot of people getting out of jail. None of them would have jobs then, but they would probably just deal.
That wouldn't necessarily be a problem...I don't think it would be considered drug dealing anymore. They might go into the drug business, but thats no different than people who currently make their living from working for tobacco companies.

[koebwil]

That wouldn't necessarily be a problem...I don't think it would be considered drug dealing anymore. They might go into the drug business, but thats no different than people who currently make their living from working for tobacco companies.
I wasn't saying dealing is bad. I mean that if we don't have to worry about drug crimes there will be much less crime. Maybe a lot of cops will get laid off. There could be some problems we didn't see yet.

[BillyTheMountain]

Unfortunately some people are freer than others in this regard.

Take Stroke for instance. Stroke is a largely preventable thing (although not totally). It can be prevented by people having lower colesterol, and not eating too much salt or MEAT.

Our government has pledged to reduce the incidence of stoke by a certain amount by the year 2010 (now is this interference or is it help or is it health care??)
Cathy

No that's cool, Cathy. You make a good point.

No matter how many lives are lost due to eating MEAT, the meat industry will not allow us to outlaw it. Families are devastated due to MEAT and the MANY ways it kills people, esp. Americans. Stroke, heart attacks, cancer, DWI of meat.....

[amanda.gallacher]

dunno if this has been said before... 1 in 10 people that smoke pot will get psychosis and lots will end up being referred to a mental health hospital. when they start getting paranoid etc, most people make the mistake of smoking more to overcome this, however this just makes it worse.

the chemical in marijuana that gives smokers the high is called THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) and comes with many short term effects such as problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, increased heart rate and loss of motor coordination. i remember earlier in this thread where i read to, someone said that when smoking high they concentrate more, but the chemical that makes them high affects their motor coordination, so this cannot be. also, i found this off of a website;
"Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, concentration, coordination, and reaction time. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.
Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine. Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink."


THC lowers your ammune system so makes you vulnerable to disease. smokers of the drug are more likely to get lung infections such as pneumonia.

hehe we were learning about this in human biology today

[unisteve]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have seen some pretty coordinated high people.

As for the legalizing it, I'm all for it. I don't think it'll make many more people smoke it, but it'll make the people that do smoke it a little more open about it.

[ProFish_Daddy]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have seen some pretty coordinated high people.

As for the legalizing it, I'm all for it. I don't think it'll make many more people smoke it, but it'll make the people that do smoke it a little more open about it.

I think LESS people will smoke it.

[Loosemoose]

My views on Marijuana are pretty well summed up by the song 'The Irony Of It All' bt The Streets. Compared to the cost, aggrivation and disorder caused by pissed louts on the streets, a bunch of stoners on a couch in their flat getting take away pizza and playing on a PS2 are completely fine by me.

Loose.

[unicycle6869]

dunno if this has been said before... 1 in 10 people that smoke pot will get psychosis and lots will end up being referred to a mental health hospital. when they start getting paranoid etc, most people make the mistake of smoking more to overcome this, however this just makes it worse.

the chemical in marijuana that gives smokers the high is called THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) and comes with many short term effects such as problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, increased heart rate and loss of motor coordination. i remember earlier in this thread where i read to, someone said that when smoking high they concentrate more, but the chemical that makes them high affects their motor coordination, so this cannot be. also, i found this off of a website;
"Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, concentration, coordination, and reaction time. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.
Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine. Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink."


THC lowers your ammune system so makes you vulnerable to disease. smokers of the drug are more likely to get lung infections such as pneumonia.

hehe we were learning about this in human biology today

I'm going to have to disagree with this stuff from personal experience. I think when you are high you are more aware of your surroundings and more "one" with nature. I swear I notice things better and more often when high vs. sober. As for the other "facts", they might be true but I just don't think there have been enough studies on it to come to a conclusion yet....

[amanda.gallacher]

I'm going to have to disagree with this stuff from personal experience. I think when you are high you are more aware of your surroundings and more "one" with nature. I swear I notice things better and more often when high vs. sober. As for the other "facts", they might be true but I just don't think there have been enough studies on it to come to a conclusion yet....
you personally might find this, but in the end it's still killing you, and you can't argue with that.
i didnt say before, but i dont disagree with the use of marijuana, i think it should be legalised, but with laws with it, like age limits, say 16, along with tobacco, not being high whilst driving, at school or work, and limitations to how much can be sold to one person at once. also, only being sold in licenced premises.

[john_childs]

I wasn't saying dealing is bad. I mean that if we don't have to worry about drug crimes there will be much less crime. Maybe a lot of cops will get laid off. There could be some problems we didn't see yet.
The police would go back to investigating property crimes and violent crimes. More room in the jails for car thieves. I only see upsides.

People arrested for car theft currently spend almost no time in jail. There is no room for them. The high car theft rate in Seattle costs me $300 or so additional insurance per year. I consider that cost a tax. I'd love to see the police get tough on car theft and car prowls. It would make my insurance costs go down.

[unicycle6869]

you personally might find this, but in the end it's still killing you, and you can't argue with that..

Nope, you are right and I choose to take that option/risk. Just like I choose to eat at McDonalds even though that's killing me too. Or I choose to drink and that's killing me too. Or I choose to drive and that could kill me, or ride in an airplane or boat or whatever. Basically what I'm saying is that to some extent, almost everything is killing you someway or another. Heck, just sitting and breathing in polluted air is killing you. You just have to choose what things you want to do and don't mind the fact they might be killing you or might kill you someday.

My opinion of my life is different as others but here it is; you're still going to die, no matter what you do, so why not live it like you want it as long as it is not hurting others. If you live your life perfect and do nothing bad, you are still going to die. So what if it takes 10 years off of my life, I'm gonna be dead and I won't know or care when I'm gone. It's just a different way to look at life vs people who want to live till they are 100. Personally, I don't think old people look like they are having that much fun and I don't really want to be that old. Maybe my opinion might change but as of right now, I'd rather be dead than 90 years old where the last 20-30 years of my life wasn't very fun.

[cathwood]

I think LESS people will smoke it.

You may think that but research has consistently shown that where drugs (of whatever kind - alcohol, pot, whatever) are more freely available then more people will take them.

But I'm all with the legalising thing. You would probably have to have government controlled places to sell them, so that we could abolish 'dealers' and ofcourse they would then be taxed. But I think that this would reduce the amount of criminality and victims of that criminality that is around drug taking.

Cathy

[cathwood]

dunno if this has been said before... 1 in 10 people that smoke pot will get psychosis and lots will end up being referred to a mental health hospital. when they start getting paranoid etc, most people make the mistake of smoking more to overcome this, however this just makes it worse.

the chemical in marijuana that gives smokers the high is called THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol) and comes with many short term effects such as problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, increased heart rate and loss of motor coordination. i remember earlier in this thread where i read to, someone said that when smoking high they concentrate more, but the chemical that makes them high affects their motor coordination, so this cannot be. also, i found this off of a website;
"Marijuana has serious harmful effects on the skills required to drive safely: alertness, concentration, coordination, and reaction time. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.
Marijuana may play a role in car accidents. In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine. Data have also shown that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink."


THC lowers your ammune system so makes you vulnerable to disease. smokers of the drug are more likely to get lung infections such as pneumonia.

hehe we were learning about this in human biology today


Yes, I said it briefly earlier on, but you put it much more elequently. And I must say this is entirely bourne out by my experience in adult mental health services. I think it's something like if you are more sensitive to it or more schitzoid than other people, if you have a vulnerabilty then taking pot will set it off. Not in everyone. But in a significant number of people. And the more you smoke the less vulnerable you have to be.

Cathy

[amanda.gallacher]

haha my mum just told me to stop posting in this thread! i think she thinks it will make me want to smoke pot lol dont worry though, i reassured her i wont

[joshuni]

you personally might find this, but in the end it's still killing you, and you can't argue with that.

i hope i don't get you in trouble because you're not supposed to be at this thread anymore. anyways, i've saw your video on uni.tv, and i think hopping up on the crown of a uni like you do would kill me much faster then smoke inhalation...MUCH faster!

[drewation]

wow some people are very educated the whole thing about it being illegal sacres so many people, im sure lots of you have heard of salvia and what it does and that is legalized in most of the world and u can buy in online and in stores, you bassicly loose control of your body for around 1/2 an hour, anyways ill discuss this more later im going to smoke some of this beutiful stuff ;)

[monkeyman]

wow some people are very educated the whole thing about it being illegal sacres so many people, im sure lots of you have heard of salvia and what it does and that is legalized in most of the world and u can buy in online and in stores, you bassicly loose control of your body for around 1/2 an hour, anyways ill discuss this more later im going to smoke some of this beutiful stuff ;)
oh, you smoke?
gee, I'd never be able to tell...
:rolleyes:

[joshuni]

im sure lots of you have heard of salvia and what it does and that is legalized in most of the world and u can buy in online and in stores,
yeah, actually, the home depot carries it in their plant section, it's a pretty flower in the spring. that stuff does mess with you. i did it twice (once with leaves once with extract) it was kind of scary. can you ride on that?

[boo radley]

can you ride on that?
i've never tried it, but the guy in this video (http://www.wimp.com/salvia/) couldn't even make a sandwich while on salvia... so i would have to say no.

[amanda.gallacher]

i hope i don't get you in trouble because you're not supposed to be at this thread anymore. anyways, i've saw your video on uni.tv, and i think hopping up on the crown of a uni like you do would kill me much faster then smoke inhalation...MUCH faster!
haha! this made me LOL!

*runs from thread*

[burjzyntski]

1) the salvia that you buy in most garden stores is not the same species that shamans would smoke - it lacks the psychoactive divinorum A. compound.

2) no, you cannot/wouldn't even try to/wouldn't even think about riding a unicycle while on salvia.

3) it only lasts between 3 and 10 minutes, though it can feel (literally, sometimes) like a lifetime. if you do it properly (through a waterpipe with a torch lighter) you can 'break through' and experience life as some'thing' or someone else.

I've had a few CRAZY experiences on salvia extract - the universe ended, i was nothing but a thought in space, blackness, nothingness, felt like my body was gone (but then I touched myself and realized it was just in my head), anothing click in the machine, etc.

marijuana, on the otherhand, is wonderful. salvia is not _in any way_ a recreational drug. you will not get high on salvia. stick with weed.


(I quit smoking pot a bit over two months ago for college and I haven't felt the urge to smoke it since, but I also haven't felt any 'cleaner' or 'clear thinking' either. It just doesn't mess you up the way things like alcohol or various pills do)

[TheObieOne3226]

salvia is not _in any way_ a recreational drug.

I disagree (although I know what you were trying to say) because IMHO a recreational drug is anything you take for the effects that you don't take for medical reasons. I believe you were trying to say that salvia dinorum is too intense and short lived of a high to be seriously fun to sit around and do for kicks or for the feeling. Again, I disagree, i enjoy it quite a bit.

(I quit smoking pot a bit over two months ago for college and I haven't felt the urge to smoke it since, but I also haven't felt any 'cleaner' or 'clear thinking' either. It just doesn't mess you up the way things like alcohol or various pills do)


I think you should (and probably) will reconsider. College to me is like a last hurrah before you go out and work 40 hours a week for 35 years. So make the most of it.

[Catboy]

I've done salvia about 30+ times, in many different concentrations an can say it's a more than safe recreational drug. It provides such a short trip that it's harmless really. Only in really large doses does it provide an experience anywhere near the plane of other psychadelics. People should try it, tastes like butthole, is a total ripoff and provides a quick and entertaining experince for you and those around you.

[nzunicyclist.dan]

The people who say that if you legalize something you will lower the crimes as a result of it.

I dont think this is true, i think that if you legalize something you have just as many crimes as before, just cause its legal is not going to stop people killing people over it or robbing people for it, it will still happen

I have smoked once when i was 19 and found it fun, but its not somehting i want to do, personal choice, and thats what i believe it should allwasy be, a personal choice.

I knew someone who smkoed heaps and there screwed up, cant talk straight, cant think properly, just makes me want to stay away from the stuff

And another thing, does anyone remember the uproar when it was found out that George Bubya did weed once? I say Congratulations to him, at least its the one thing in his two terms hes been honeslt about,

Well i shall stop my rant now lol

Dan

[James_Potter]

The people who say that if you legalize something you will lower the crimes as a result of it.
I dont think this is true, i think that if you legalize something you have just as many crimes as before, just cause its legal is not going to stop people killing people over it or robbing people for it, it will still happen
If Marijuana is illegal, people can and do get arrested for using it in their own homes not hurting anyone...therefore, simply smoking is a crime. If Marijuana is legal, people will not get arrested for using it, therefore crime will go down.

[unisteve]

If Marijuana is illegal, people can and do get arrested for using it in their own homes not hurting anyone...therefore, simply smoking is a crime. If Marijuana is legal, people will not get arrested for using it, therefore crime will go down.
What about the other crimes reefer addicts will engage in now that you've given them free reign to get high all the time? You can't let this kind of epidemic go on unabated! This is what we have laws for!

Making smoking marijuana legal is the first step to making it socially acceptable. Do we really want our children smoking mari-huana cigarettes and killing their brain cells which, I warn you, never grow back?

Let me give you a sneak peek into the post-apocalyptic--or, dare I say "utopian", for you barbarians--pothead society which will have been unleashed. To quote the eminent MC Frontalot (http://www.frontalot.com/index.php/?page=lyrics&lyricid=16): there'd be an army of them, teeming and thronging / tempting every American to give in to forbidden longing

[James_Potter]

What about the other crimes reefer addicts will engage in now that you've given them free reign to get high all the time? You can't let this kind of epidemic go on unabated! This is what we have laws for!
[quote]
Such as driving under the influence? Wait no that's alcohol, and anyway, they've done tests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLmHL7YznUI) to show that driving under the influence of marijuana does not hinder and may actually help your driving ability. So why is alcohol not illegal?

[quote]Making smoking marijuana legal is the first step to making it socially acceptable. Do we really want our children smoking mari-huana cigarettes and killing their brain cells which, I warn you, never grow back?
What's wrong with being socially acceptable? an occasional cigarette is cool with most people, as well as the occasional drink. Abuse of any drug is not and never will be socially acceptable, even if it is legal.
It doesn't matter whether or not they're unhealthy, as long as there is a legitimate education program (just like for tobacco), the public can know the truth and make the decision for themselves. Freedom is the real issue here.

Let me give you a sneak peek into the post-apocalyptic--or, dare I say "utopian", for you barbarians--pothead society which will have been unleashed. To quote the eminent MC Frontalot (http://www.frontalot.com/index.php/?page=lyrics&lyricid=16): there'd be an army of them, teeming and thronging / tempting every American to give in to forbidden longing
Marijuana is not as addictive as tobacco or alcohol, nor as dangerous. So it's easier to quit anyway, if you so choose. Basically most users of marijuana don't actually care about it's illegality, and those who do not use marijuana would not suddenly get a craving to start as soon as it is legalized.
40,000 people die per year from alcohol use.
400,000 people die per year from cigarette use.
0 people die per year from marijuana use.
In the recorded history of the world, no one has EVER died from too much marijuana.
If you're concerned with the well being of the nation, why don't you campaign to illegalize tobacco and alcohol? And why stop there, go ahead and try to outlaw processed sugar, a major contributor to diabetes and obesity, and fatty foods, the main cause of heart problems.

[Gilby]

there'd be an army of them, teeming and thronging / tempting every American to give in to forbidden longing

Right now, there is "an army of them, teeming and thronging / tempting every American to give in to forbidden longing". Legalizing it in a free market would make it a less lucrative business to engage in. Further it would legalize real medical help for those that are addicted.

[Gilby]

I dont think this is true, i think that if you legalize something you have just as many crimes as before, just cause its legal is not going to stop people killing people over it or robbing people for it, it will still happen

The crime that happens is the result of the high risk involved in being in an illegal business. Having to cver your tracks to not get caught means more crime. Further the higher price, as the result of this risk, makes it where those seeking it would not have to steal to get it.

[dan de man]

you personally might find this, but in the end it's still killing you, and you can't argue with that.

so, Living, in the end is killing you ,am i right here?

[Joseppi]

Everything kills you these days. Perhaps someone might choose to do it with marijuana and have what they see as a fun time. It's their choice to make, really, and it should be respected. Best not to get into the numbers game (flying on a plane will take X years off your life, eating red meat will take X years off your life, etc etc etc...)

EDIT: Obviously, I'm not saying eating red meat is like smoking, it's just an example of the things people will tell you are bad.

[amanda.gallacher]

wow what an old thread. my views have changed a bit as i've got older.

[skianduniaddict]

theres a big huge thread on this a long time ago, I'll find it!
hmm seem to be saying that alot lately

[monkeyman]

wow what an old thread. my views have changed a bit as i've got older.

Yeah, me too. I'm pretty sure that back then I was arguing against legalization. Now, I'm definitely for legalization.

[James_Potter]

Yeah, me too. I'm pretty sure that back then I was arguing against legalization. Now, I'm definitely for legalization.
Me too!
How weird.

[brendon557]

to the tune of row row row your boat

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pinch it at the end
take a puff then
pass it to a frend"
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If they legalized weed the crime rate would go down cus everyone wuld wanna just chill and hangout

[Unitik908]

I donno about that, but I know someone who placed in the Idaho state track meet with a 1:54* or something while he was high...he was fast without drugs, though. But still.




*really fast

I went to my city track blitzed.
I qualified for the finals in all of my events

100m-11.02 6th
200m-22.7 4th
long jump-21' 1st
4x100relay 5th

just to prove that not all Potheads are lazy!

Chase

[robdizzle]

why was the pot leaf made with threes?

[The UniSLAB]

This post is the best lol

to the tune of row row row your boat

"roll roll roll your joint
pinch it at the end
take a puff then
pass it to a frend"
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If they legalized weed the crime rate would go down cus everyone wuld wanna just chill and hangout

[brendon557]

why was the pot leaf made with threes?
copy and paste
i dont have the time to make that hole thing lol

[robdizzle]

no i was just thinking 4s and 20s were beter numbers

i dunno

[brendon557]

no i was just thinking 4s and 20s were beter numbers

i dunno
o haha thats a good one, though im not sure wat exactly 420 is meant to mean but i get wat your saying, care to share?

[robdizzle]

4/20

national pot smoking day?

and 4:20 is when you get high i guess

[Joseppi]

Yeah, the accepted story is that it started with a few teens in the 70's who used it as code for the time after school when they would go smoke. Now it's just universal.

[peleschramm]

i heard if you smoke pot from a water-bong it filters out the tar and most o the bad stuff. is that true?

[James_Potter]

I wouldn't say most of...it does act as a filter though. The best thing about bongs though is it cools the smoke, so you can inhale a lot more without burning your throat.
In a way this is worse though because you can take bigger hits and get a lot more toasted without realizing it.

[Matt_V]

In a way this is worse though because you can take bigger hits and get a lot more toasted without realizing it.

Why is that worse? You wouldn't be smoking it if you didn't want to get toasted.

[monkeyman]

Why is that worse? You wouldn't be smoking it if you didn't want to get toasted.
In that case, people should just start drinking Everclear instead of tequila. Either one will get you smashed, right?

[Matt_V]

In that case, people should just start drinking Everclear instead of tequila. Either one will get you smashed, right?

um... no

I see what you are saying, but it isn't really the same thing.

[The UniSLAB]

i heard if you smoke pot from a water-bong it filters out the tar and most o the bad stuff. is that true?

Naw but vaporizing is better, if not the best way to smoke. I prefer cooking with it though:)

[James_Potter]

Why is that worse? You wouldn't be smoking it if you didn't want to get toasted.
So anyone who ever drinks any form of alcohol does it with the sole purpose of getting absolutely plastered?

[James_Potter]

Naw but vaporizing is better, if not the best way to smoke. I prefer cooking with it though:)
I've heard some pretty amazing stuff about vaporizers...basically that since there is no smoke, there are basically no harmful effects.

[Matt_V]

So anyone who ever drinks any form of alcohol does it with the sole purpose of getting absolutely plastered?

No.. obviously not. People who just want to enjoy a few drinks with dinner aren't trying to get hammered. But I can't really imagine someone smoking a bong and not wanting to get stoned.

[Matt_V]

Another way of saying it is that people who drink a glass of wine with dinner do it because they like the taste, and they obviously won't become drunk from it. But people who would smoke weed in a bong don't do it because they like the taste of weed smoke, and don't expect to become high.

Maybe they just want to become a bit high and not get completly stoned, in which case you are right, they might smoke too much without reliezing it.

[James_Potter]

No.. obviously not. People who just want to enjoy a few drinks with dinner aren't trying to get hammered. But I can't really imagine someone smoking a bong and not wanting to get stoned.
Exactly, that's why they don't always use a bong...you use a bong when you DO want to get stoned.
Otherwise, people have joints or blunts, or sometimes pipes...which is why I said bongs sometimes are not the best way to smoke because you can get too intoxicated for your current situation.
So anyway, I guess we agree pretty much (:

[unisteve]

Exactly, that's why they don't always use a bong...you use a bong when you DO want to get stoned.
Otherwise, people have joints or blunts, or sometimes pipes...which is why I said bongs sometimes are not the best way to smoke because you can get too intoxicated for your current situation.
So anyway, I guess we agree pretty much (:
It's easy to smoke a bong and not get super toasted... Don't put tons of weed in the bowl. And if you do put too much in, it's easy to regulate the size of the hit you're taking.

E.g., "Oh noes, my chamber is filled with enough smoke, but I still have lots of weed left in my bowl. I will release my finger from the choke now and continue to inhale. Now I've inhaled the perfect amount and will not be super toasted. Yay for me!"

However, if you don't clean your bowl regularly, resin builds up. Resin gets you hella stoned. If you don't know there's a lot of resin in your bowl it can take you by surprise.

[Gilby]

Gotta love Drew Carey: http://reason.tv/video/show/57.html