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maflitto

2006-03-11, 07:52 AM

what would be a better unicycle for trials? what are the differences and what is the good and bad of each one?

musketman

2006-03-11, 04:12 PM

i would have to say Kris Holm produces the best uni's at this time in life.

The aluiminum frames are very light and great quality, & also wont rust and be more phrone to breaking.

The hub & cranks on the KH uni's are arguably (sp?) the strongest/best on the market. They are lighter than the Koxx-One hub & cranks also.

As for rims, The koxxone rims and KH rims are both very great, although the koxx tryall rims are 47mm wide and the KH rims are 42mm wide.

So i would have to say KH maked some great uni's, but that doesn't mean the Koxx uni's are bad, they are still really good.

unicyclistben

2006-03-11, 05:11 PM

yeah but its hard to beat the looks of the k1

maflitto

2006-03-11, 08:05 PM

I think they both look cool but looks dont make a good unicycle.
do you think the aluminum is stronger then the metal use on koxx-one?
what are other difference between the two?
has anyone rode both which did you like more and why?
another difference is the price Koxx-one are cheaper then Kris Holms
but I prefer to pay more for quality and its seems they are pretty close in quality
so I dont know

musketman

2006-03-11, 08:12 PM

i dont know if the aluiminum is any stronger than the steel the koxx frames are made from,but the aluiminum is lighter, and lighter is better.

id say go with the KH because its an overall stronger ( hub and cranks) and lighter uni. Just get a KH

maflitto

2006-03-11, 09:04 PM

yeah I know I am definately leaning towards a Kris Holm I just wanted to see how comparable they are Ill prolly get one at the end of this month and it'll most likely be a KH to bad the 06 model is not out yet cause I wanna get one soon the differences are not to major so its all good

Gilby

2006-03-12, 02:45 AM

They are both good unicycles. However, I do not like the frame on the koxx unicycle. Mostly due to it's bearing holders. Those will make your bearings wear out quicker. I've also heard no problems with the aluminum KH frames, so that puts it ahead since it is lighter. I think both wheelsets are about equal, especially the hubs and cranksets. Though the koxx hub is an international standard ISIS hub, so that is a big plus.

jake_amos

2006-03-12, 07:34 AM

maflitto

2006-03-12, 08:13 AM

yeah isnt the KH's bearing housing specially cut to fit the bearings perfect or something? Also how big of a difference is the weight? I know the KH is like 12lbs How much is the Koxx-one?

unisteve

2006-03-12, 03:43 PM

Also how big of a difference is the weight? I know the KH is like 12lbs How much is the Koxx-one?
If unicycle.uk.com is to be trusted, the Koxx-One weighs "6kg - almost as light as the Kris Holm Trials unicycle" (6kg = about 13 pounds)
http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/shopdisplayproduct.asp?catalogid=716

maflitto

2006-03-12, 05:49 PM

yeah on the Koxx-One website it says under 6kg but I never seen acutal weight anywhwere

irvinegr

2006-03-13, 06:37 PM

if i had to choose one i would choose the KH 20" trials

trials_uni

2006-03-13, 06:55 PM

are the isis hub and cranks aygood...i just wanted to kno because i think im going to buy that hub and crankset.

irvinegr

2006-03-13, 07:10 PM

are the isis hub and cranks aygood...i just wanted to kno because i think im going to buy that hub and crankset.

will that even fit ur frame??

trials_uni

2006-03-13, 08:22 PM

i think it will...the bedford frame is very multipurpose...

maflitto

2006-03-16, 06:07 AM

I just ordered a KH Trials should be here soon Ill let you guys know how I like it

rogeratunicycledotcom

2006-03-16, 08:03 AM

If unicycle.uk.com is to be trusted, the Koxx-One weighs "6kg - almost as light as the Kris Holm Trials unicycle" (6kg = about 13 pounds)
http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/shopdisplayproduct.asp?catalogid=716

They vary slightly, but it is only very slightly under 6kg.

We use a very accurate postal scale for our weights, it should be accurate. A top tip... don't believe a manufacture about weights, especially tyre manufacutres. We have found some that are 50% heavier than they claimed. Pedals are probably the next worst with very few being actually what they claim.

Roger

swarbrim

2006-03-16, 04:43 PM

I always assume that the manufacture is being truthful when they say their whats but i guess not.

Mike

Loosemoose

2006-03-16, 05:02 PM

Weight Weenies (http://www.weightweenies.starbike.com/listings.php) can help you check exactly how much non-specific parts weigh (like pedals & tyres, etc). Not much use for unicycle based items, I might start a small database of measurements collected from UDC's listings, and my own measurements. I'm so glad I said that, now I feel like I might actually do it...

KH vs Koxx wise, I think you'll find this small debate has been raging on (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47336&highlight=KH+vs+Koxx), and on (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45082&highlight=KH+vs+Koxx), and on (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43862&highlight=KH+vs+Koxx), and on (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43862&highlight=koxx+KH) for quite some time now. In the UK, its an easy choice, since the Koxx is comparable for strength (apart from the rim, which is considerably weaker than the KH) but significantly less expensive. Over here at least (trials wise);

Nimbus (the original cotterless trials) is for younger riders, learners and less extreme use. I've not seen a broken one since the upgraded hub a few years ago, and I don't know how big you could go on one before things started to fall apart. The cheapest trials uni, great for kids who want to Muni and hop about. A good base to upgrade from in stages.

Qu-ax is for light, younger riders who aren't going massively big, and people who want splines on a budget. The saddle isn't the best, the frame is nicely finished and has plenty of clearance. Qu-ax do make a rather nice Alu frame as an upgrade however, with Maggie bosses on it. The seatpost is slightly thicker than the Hoppley, but the rim is weaker and the crankset isn't nearly as strong. Was the standard for cheap-but-strong trials use, but now the Hoppley may take much of its market.

Nimbus (the new Hoppley (http://www.unicycle.uk.com/shop/shopdisplayproduct.asp?catalogid=828)) is great for heaver riders, or those wanting to go big on a budget. A great combination of tried-and-tested equipment, the Nimbus II frame is strong & functional, with plenty of clearance and a nice paintjob. Seatpost is CrMo, adding weight but is cheap to replace if it bends, and is knurled to stop twisting during long drops or bad landings. Saddle is 2nd behind the KH Fusion for comfort & suitability for trials & street. The virtually indestructible 04 KH Hub/Crankset requires more maintenance that an equivalent modern set but will last for years of hard abuse. The rim is the best out there, a 19" KH freeride, eyeletted and designed to take the harshest of abuse.

Onza is the slightly cheaper alternative to the KH, for people who go big but can't afford a full whack £310 to go Pro. Its got the hub & cranks, and a nice solid rim, it just loses out on seat comfort, weight and frame design. It's heavier, the saddle isn't a Fusion or a Gel but its strong and comfortable, with a nice cover to match the overall design. I've used one (with the 04 hub) for a year and I'm very happy with it. The pedals are also worthy of mention, being hugely grippy and strong enough for the harshest trials.

The Koxx is a light and nimble beast, capable of withstanding the harshest of drops and staying true. The Isis hubset is versatile, strong and light, the frame is classically designed and sits closer to the tyre than other trials models. Its only downfalls are the rather less than perfect saddle, and the thin & weak alu seatposts, which snap all too easily. The cheesehole rim is uneyeletted and on big drops spokes will rip through it, and the extra width over the KH only serves to reduce strength more. The tyre is a very soft compound, offering plenty of grip but at the expense of rapid tyre wear.

The KH is obviously in a league of its own, price and performance wise. The best hub & crankset coupled with the lightest trials frame on the market, along with a KH rim and fusion saddle. A uni that will last for years without upgrade or replacement, you pay for the privelige, being £70 dearer than the next most-expensive alternative. It will last the longest, but it costs the most.

plumsie

2006-03-16, 05:33 PM

A uni that will last for years without upgrade or replacement, you pay for the privelige, being £70 dearer than the next most-expensive alternative. It will last the longest, but it costs the most.

Unless you are buying one now from UDC UK as for the last 2 months they have been on special offer at the same price as the Koxx Devil.

If I could afford on I would get one while they are so heavily discounted but having just bought a new Muni (KH24 Freeride (also discounted)) I can't get one just yet

I just hope the offer lasts

Plumsie

swarbrim

2006-03-16, 10:10 PM

Im sooo glad i bought mine, no joke its great. Thanks Roger for the great uni and service,espicially with my old nimbus rim.

Mike

ntappin

2006-03-17, 03:22 AM

Thanks for that great post Loosemoose, I think that is probably the best post I have seen here in the winter months. Maybe you should elaborate a bit on it and put it as a tutorial to help quell the uni a vs uni b threads.

I am making an exel document with as many uni parts as I can find. When I am done I will post it and people can add more.

zippy

2006-03-20, 11:35 PM

the KH is on sale on unicycle.co.uk shop thing, but is that this years model, or a newer one coming out?

maxisback

2006-03-20, 11:40 PM

koxx wheel+kh frame= ownage lightness

Sponge

2006-03-21, 03:20 AM

The Kris Holm-Onza crankset isn't stronger than the Koxx One Isis crankset, my friend bent the 140mm KH Onza cranks in less than a week, and bent brand new 127mm KH Onza cranks in 2 days (no joke). He eventually went on to snap the KH Onza hub spindle on one side during a London street ride. (Roger Davies, you will know about this well :p)

And just 3 days ago, he snapped his Kris Holm 2005 blue trials frame at the bottom of the seattube, the crown if you like. bit surprising, but he is a go nuts and go big rider. Bending Profile 145mms in a week and all... Yet he hasn't ever broken a Nimbus II frame for the amount of years of abuse its been through. The Koxx One crankset that came on the Devil is still going really strong with him.

Qu-Ax 127mm cranks are very strong as well, those are the only other pair of cranks he has never broken or bent at all, i guess round tubular cranks like KH Onza and Profile are more prone to breakage than the solid aluminium Koxx cranks and Square tubed Qu-Ax cranks.

Mind you, he has destroyed Onza rims, Onza cranks, and DX32 rims... yet the Kris Holm 19" rim has had not trouble whatsoever, Koxx rims are cheese, like in the bike trials world, they are quite disliked by some riders due to their flat-spotting easiness and easy denting.

Kris Holm rim is the only really strong part that comes on 2005 KH trials unis I think.

Smilymarco

2006-03-21, 04:39 PM

In my opinion the KH/Onza is the best thing ever.

I bought a Koxx and after one big drop (2,50m in flat) the cranks are bent. The TryAll rim is still in a good condition.

My old 03 Onzahub, which i used 2 years, is still not bend and it has taken many many bad drops and very very bad landings.

recommanded poster

2006-03-21, 06:16 PM

i find my koxx-one is cool but kris holm is the best
the devil isn't very strong(the rim and the seat tube are bad)but it's 5.8kg and the kris holm 5.5kg

swarbrim

2006-03-21, 06:37 PM

Brian O.

2006-03-21, 09:59 PM

Is your freind heavy?

Does he have bad landings?

How big is he going?

Mike

Judging from all that he has broken, it must be a mixture of all three of those factors.

Sponge

2006-03-22, 12:32 AM

My friend, Joe... we measured him to have handle-sidehops to tyre about 2 inches off Kris Holm's maximum to tyre. His pedal-stalls/grabs stand at around 47" or so absolute tops. He is not chunky/heavy in weight, he is not unsmooth, he just goes huge. He has done this really good dropgap in London, England called the 'St. Pauls' gap which many bike trials riders can just about do. Which is about a 9ft drop with a 10 foot gap... over a fountain. Pretty damn huge.

He destroyed all components of the KH-Onza 2005 wheel except the Kris Holm rim.

He is doing perfectly fine with his Koxx-One crankset, and has never ever broken a set of 127mm Qu-Ax cranks for KH 2004 hub nor a Nimbus II frame which he has used the longest.

.....
Just to give you an idea of what he puts through his parts...

Koxx One has a stronger trials frame, a stronger hub, arguably stronger cranks, but a weaker rim than KH.

Jerrick

2006-03-22, 07:36 AM

Lutz

2006-03-22, 03:07 PM

I think you could not generalise the two hubs, Marco bent the koxx fast and the Onza/KH still is in god condition.

maflitto

2006-03-27, 04:09 PM

Im liking the KH so far Ive had it for about a week it takes 3ft drops
good been doing alot of trials and no problems yet I love the big tire smoother landing compared to all the freestyle unis I had

swarbrim

2006-04-04, 07:38 PM

Judging from all that he has broken, it must be a mixture of all three of those factors.

Nope, I know know who he is and he is apparantly one of the best trials riders in Britain, he does go crazy huge and all that, so i can see how all that would work.

Mike

maxisback

2006-04-04, 08:21 PM

Koxx One has a stronger trials frame, a stronger hub, arguably stronger cranks, but a weaker rim than KH

Please take that back.. in your opinion it might be.. But it always depends on he rider and how he rides,lands etc..Alot of people go pretty huge with the kh unicycles and never break them.. for an example shaun johanesson cranckflipin 8 stairs, or ryan atkins doing his insane trials..Also it's prooven that the kh hub makes a stronger wheel build.. There is so many threads that have already been made about this I dont even get why no body told you to use to search button, anyways it's all good. :)

Lutz

2006-04-04, 08:31 PM

In my eyes the Koxx frame is ok, but there is nothing special on it. It is nearly the same than the nimbus, quax, onza, hadibe and bedford frame.

gkmac

2006-04-04, 09:59 PM

My friend Joe... he has done this really good dropgap in London, England called the 'St. Pauls' gap which many bike trials riders can just about do. Which is about a 9ft drop with a 10 foot gap... over a fountain. Pretty damn huge.I would love to see this on a video =pI don't think this is the gap we're talking about, but this one (http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=188753) attempted by Joe on Sunday seems to set the scene.

XviD (http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Koepi_XviD.htm) required to view it, unfortunately I'm not a very good video shooter.

Loosemoose

2006-04-07, 06:54 PM

He has done this really good dropgap in London, England called the 'St. Pauls' gap which many bike trials riders can just about do. Which is about a 9ft drop with a 10 foot gap... over a fountain. Pretty damn huge. You measured that did you sponge? Cos I did, last weekend, and it's a 4.5ft gap with a 5.5ft drop... Not huge, I've done as big, if not slightly bigger. The landing is narrow & wet, making it very precarious thing to attempt. But its not a drop that would be as hard on equipment as you say...

Loose.

Jerrick

2006-04-08, 07:51 AM

You measured that did you sponge? Cos I did, last weekend, and it's a 4.5ft gap with a 5.5ft drop... Not huge, I've done as big, if not slightly bigger. The landing is narrow & wet, making it very precarious thing to attempt. But its not a drop that would be as hard on equipment as you say...

Loose.

Ive done about that big on my DX, havent broke a thing, nor bent it, i do get a few creaking sounds, but i tighten my spokes and its gone, and from the video, it didnt seem all that big, to make the landing, yes, but it wasnt as big as i expected

ackgot

2006-09-13, 03:33 AM

It seems to me that all the "name brand top of the line" uni's are going to be very strong and take a good amount of abuse. Theres just a lot of different factors and personal opinions/experiences that shape the way we think one is better than the other. When the difference in the first place is small.

I hear a lot of, "He broke KH, this guy broke Koxx1" theres a lot of factors to include there as well. From what I read on the forums and see in videos all these unicycles are really freaking strong any way you look at it.

-End of story

Johaaan

2006-09-13, 07:28 AM

Koxx is hot. But KHU Is beutiful :) (donnu how to spel xD)

grim_reeper01

2006-09-27, 10:02 PM

would u trust a plane made by a boat driver ?
would trust a trials uni made by a muni rider

the koxx 1 team are all about trials so there for the koxx 1 uni are more suted to trails

mornish

2006-09-27, 11:18 PM

this isn't right. Kris rides a lot of trials, and he probably talks to people like Shaun and Ryan about what they think would make a good trials uni.

forrestunifreak

2006-09-28, 12:25 AM

would u trust a plane made by a boat driver ?
would trust a trials uni made by a muni rider

the koxx 1 team are all about trials so there for the koxx 1 uni are more suted to trails

Have you seen Kris Holm's awsome trials riding in Universe 2? He has been the North American trials champion several times and World Champion (I think)

I would choose Kris Holm for trials over any of the Koxx team any day.

mornish

2006-09-28, 01:42 AM

Have you seen Kris Holm's awsome trials riding in Universe 2? He has been the North American trials champion several times and World Champion (I think)

I would choose Kris Holm for trials over any of the Koxx team any day.

affirmative!

Radical Reed

2006-09-28, 01:44 AM

would trust a trials uni made by a muni rider

the koxx 1 team are all about trials so there for the koxx 1 uni are more suted to trails

Ryan Atkins, shuan J., and Zach baldwin do and they would totally pwn the crap out of you in trials/street.

and why would a trials team uni's be suited for trails?

edsbelly

2006-09-28, 01:53 AM

I like Koxx.

Simply had to be said. I like Koxx because I do a lot of freestyle too.

For just trials, I think the KH would probably be better. Because it has a lighter frame.. it is lighter. Apparently the hub and cranks are lighter too. But also there's more Q-factor so in turn more stability. They are both very strong and shouldn't break if you land correctly.

Ed

onetrack

2006-09-28, 03:30 AM

would trust a trials uni made by a muni rider

the koxx 1 team are all about trials so there for the koxx 1 uni are more suted to trails

Kris has been riding trials longer than anyone else. Not only that, his compnany sponsors the only two riders in the world who are better than him at trials.

john_childs

2006-09-28, 03:34 AM

would u trust a plane made by a boat driver ?
would trust a trials uni made by a muni rider

the koxx 1 team are all about trials so there for the koxx 1 uni are more suted to trails
You need to learn some history. Kris was busy developing unicycle trials moves (http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31583) and techniques along with designing custom unicycle equipment before some on the Koxx 1 team graduated from training wheels on their bikes.

Kris has developed more in terms of technique and equipment for aggressive riding (muni and trials) than anyone else. And he has been at it for a long time.

maxisback

2006-09-28, 03:49 AM

yep sure kris does alot of muni.. but my question is.. WHO THE FUCK CREATED UNICYCLE TRIALS ? KRIS HOLM

iridemymuni

2006-09-28, 07:40 AM

well

until there is evidence that either one is stronger

i suggest you all shut up

grim_reeper01

2006-09-28, 08:57 AM

;

max_pfeifer

2006-09-30, 06:10 AM

yep sure kris does alot of muni.. but my question is.. WHO THE FUCK CREATED UNICYCLE TRIALS ? KRIS HOLM

very well said.

i ride a kh but have nothing against koxx uni's.

as others in this thread have said, if you land stuff right then neither should break unless you go huge.

koxx tends to borrow more from the bicycling world when it comes to design whereas kris has been riding since before i was born and has been designing and improving for a long, long time, all from scratch.

ilosttheotherwheel

2006-09-30, 05:18 PM

Johaaan

2006-09-30, 05:31 PM

Koxx are cool!
KH are beutiful :)

Probailer2

2006-09-30, 06:21 PM

Koxx are cool!
KH are beutiful :)

KH is LIGHT and STRONG

PM

alvincrew

2006-09-30, 06:51 PM

i like koxx better. not talking about strength, weight whatsoever but koxx looks better.

MarijonasLT

2006-09-30, 07:19 PM

I own a K1 devil and well- i like it very much :D actually i really wanted a KH, but life is life- got a cheaper K1. There are good parts on both the KHs and K1s, and it's all up to you to decide. (but the KH frame looks a milion times better and sexier than a K frame. except for XTP.anyway...)

Stryder

2006-09-30, 09:12 PM

ahh but look at xavier collos's home page, and he rides koxx1 and look at his status.

Xavier is the Street freestyle champion. Kris Holm doesn't ride street.

uni_jim

2006-10-01, 03:15 AM

Kris holm is my idol, and most of my trials uni is made of his stuff and i love it, but if you like riding Koxx, well, that's up to you now isn't it?

Spencer Hochberg

2006-10-04, 11:51 PM

Xavier is the Street freestyle champion. Kris Holm doesn't ride street.
And Xavier would be good no matter what he rode. Shaun probably could have won that street comp if he was there, he is on the KH team.

timbob1907

2006-10-06, 08:52 PM

Xavier is the Street freestyle champion. Kris Holm doesn't ride street.
lucky for Xavier!

ntappin

2006-10-08, 07:29 PM

Koxx are cool!
KH are beutiful :)

Well put man. I know this is kind of a pointless bump but I really think that this post gets to the point in saying they are pretty much the same thing. Some people like one over the other. I ride a partial koxx uni, and really I don't think it is any better than friends uni's that are KH.

Some people say tomato some people say potato same difference. pick one and ride it.

aidanteleki

2009-09-06, 02:20 AM

the good thing about k1 is you can create your uni and and it has a better variety.

aidanteleki

2010-02-08, 04:52 AM

So what about now? I mean now in 2010 what do you guys think with all the new parts from both companys? Also what do you guys think is the best uni......and I mean in the $$ sence just the best!? Cause they're a lot of different types like Impact unicycles.......................just wondering:):):):):confused::confused::confused::confused:

jaco_flans

2010-02-08, 01:58 PM

I'd still go with KH for sure:)

Michaelgoround

2010-02-08, 02:02 PM

I'd still go with KH for sure:)
I'd go with a KH over anything else too.

surfer1024

2010-02-08, 02:22 PM

For stock best all around street/trials/flat I would still rather use a KH

Smilymarco

2010-02-08, 03:16 PM

Same here. KH all the way :cool:

TheJoker

2010-02-09, 09:15 AM

impact/nimbus for me :cool:

*gets hit over the head*

ok ok! id use a KH.

emile

2010-02-09, 06:25 PM

Same here. KH all the way :cool:

Dude, is your 'just call me similymarco' because of when I called you similymarco? :p

Smilymarco

2010-02-09, 11:12 PM

:cool: And a few people who followed you ;)

uninorcal

2010-02-09, 11:47 PM

Koxx-One with an Impact seat FTW!!!

unicycler100

2010-02-12, 07:06 PM

aidanteleki

2010-02-15, 04:50 AM

So do you guys think that you can tell me why so many of you like KH more? I mean K1 makes a lot of nice products that are stronger than KH.................. I have both and I ride my KH more now so I'm not sayin its bad I'm just wondering. If you could give me a brief description tha'd be fantastic.:D

unicycler100

2010-02-15, 06:31 PM

I think its more personal preffence than anything. more people ride KH because there light & super strong.

Also KH brings out lots more stuff every year or updates his products most years. (correct me if Im wrong)

Personal here in NZ I have the choice of KH or Nimbus. I have tryed a K1 and it felt heavy to me

LivHunter

2010-02-15, 07:36 PM

KOXX FO SHO!!!! Koxx One is strong, I think. I like how light weight Koxx is and everything! I'm even saving up for one right now. I LOVE KOXX!!!! and i mean the unicycle lolzz =P

Tyler 258

2010-02-15, 07:39 PM

I have always rode a KH and I loved it. But there has always been something about a K1 thats just like those things are sick. So depending on how time goes and if it takes too long to get a Triton I might build me a XTP and a Black Domina. We'll see.

aidanteleki

2010-02-15, 08:05 PM

Yeah I think that only time will tell what the outcome in the next few years of both companies will be. I like both and I wish I had an XTP but.....oh well. Also the only downside that I that I can think of with KHU is that there is barley any variety with some areas of the uni. I mean there are only two kinds of frames, cranks, saddles, seat posts, seat clamps, and rims. But that is my opinon and I do have to say all those parts are good. :) Please keep the opinons coming Thanks.................. I know its not my post but you know what I mean ;)

aidanteleki

2010-02-15, 08:09 PM

the last thing that I wanted to say is to "unicycler 100". I know that your just sayin one thing about K1 but You should try a little mre of K1 parts cause I know they have some light ass parts:p

Julia B

2010-02-16, 03:49 AM

I think they both have different strenghts, the K1 seats are way thinner (easier to hold), and I really like my K1 street cranks for rolls and such. KH has higher quality frames though I think, which is why you see a lot of people riding a mostly K1 unicycle with a KH frame. Also, K1 has tons of different colors for most of their parts, whereas all KH unicycles are pretty much the same.

I dunno where I saw it, but one guy said it really well:

Koxx-One is cool,
Kris Holm is beautiful.

aidanteleki

2010-02-16, 08:56 PM

Robuni

2010-02-20, 08:30 PM

True but is the XTP and the alien blackflip and the other that look like it not high quality? I mean think about it theyare all good just in different ways; now I've seen more broken K1 frames on the internet which might conclude that KH frames are better, but .......... oh idk :)
What, what? Ive seen so many kh frames that broke right above the crown that its unbeleivable, ive hardly seen any broken k1's

aidanteleki

2010-02-20, 08:59 PM

Ive seen all the K1 frames broken on the internet except the XTP and i know Fabian Mark broke one already but you should post a link with a broken KH ;) ive only seen one

EliB

2010-02-20, 09:05 PM

I like my K1 wheel with KH frame. At first the really thin K1 seats feel weird, but I think I like it more now.

Tyler 258

2010-02-20, 09:07 PM

There is quite a few broken KH's but notice almost all were 07 and older. Of coarse you will see more broken KH's because more people ride them.

The older Black Dominas were breaking, but that is all I have seen.

Smilymarco

2010-02-20, 09:11 PM

I saw a lot of the old devil frames break... even more than all KH you saw breaking till now.
The new devils look a lot stronger though.

aidanteleki

2010-02-21, 12:22 AM

yeah i guess i just haven't been looking for broken KH frames enough ;)

Probailer2

2010-02-22, 06:35 PM

Ive seen all the K1 frames broken on the internet except the XTP and i know Fabian Mark broke one already but you should post a link with a broken KH ;) ive only seen one

My XTP didn't broke yet in 2 years, and it even is a prototype one so.....

emile

2010-02-22, 07:07 PM

My XTP didn't broke yet in 2 years, and it even is a prototype one so.....

A friend of mine broke his about a little over one year after he got it.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7011/phot00952.jpg

Here's on I saw on the french forums:

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs258.ash1/18572_1348947167677_1351276191_994430_5456290_n.jpg

Probailer2

2010-02-22, 07:21 PM

First looks like short seatpost...
Second is weird

jaco_flans

2010-02-22, 09:05 PM

First looks like short seatpost...
Second is weird
The first one was a really short seatpost, I saw it broke right in front of me!

aidanteleki

2010-02-23, 04:04 PM

whoa.......pretty bad

aidanteleki

2010-03-01, 10:27 PM

A friend of mine broke his about a little over one year after he got it.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7011/phot00952.jpg

Here's on I saw on the french forums:

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs258.ash1/18572_1348947167677_1351276191_994430_5456290_n.jpg

Also on the top one you could cut that shit down and still use it I've done it before.

aidanteleki

2010-03-03, 10:25 PM

It's funny don't the two frames look different? The bottom one looks wider look at the two logos one is like a circle and the other is an oval. Maybe it's just the picture

finnspin

2010-03-12, 03:56 PM

both logos are in a oval, there is no difference between the frames

saskatchewanian

2010-03-13, 12:36 AM

It's funny don't the two frames look different? The bottom one looks wider look at the two logos one is like a circle and the other is an oval. Maybe it's just the picture

I think your screen is stretched. I.E. using a standard resolution with a wide screen display.

IntoIt

2010-12-29, 12:14 AM

So of the KOXX unis, since there is an incredible sale right now on a site listed in another thread, which is the best KOXX uni, i.e. strongest and lightest - I'm assuming the alien backflip or XTP since those are the priciest??

Edit: because those are being sold under $200 with free shipping, so if it's even CLOSE to a kh, and this thread has proven to me that it is, I want the best one. The spirit and backflip LOOK like kh's, the XTP not so much, so it's between those, and also the Domina II, those are the models with square forks, which I really like.

mowcius

2010-12-29, 02:42 PM

So of the KOXX unis, since there is an incredible sale right now on a site listed in another thread
Where's this?

When I last looked, everything seems to be going up in price.
When I got my Koxx back in February, it was £210, 23h white widow with PFII seatpost. When I look up something comparative now, it seems much more expensive.

I love my Koxx, I'd also love a KH frame, shame they're all blue (or stripped).

I have a KH 24 and it's great for MUni. I can't say I prefer either of them. They're just different.

AlisterBurt

2010-12-29, 02:47 PM

US only mowcius.

mowcius

2010-12-29, 03:02 PM

Yeah just saw. I can'f afford another anyway :(

They are cheap there atm though.

IntoIt

2010-12-29, 05:27 PM

Yeah just saw. I can'f afford another anyway :(

They are cheap there atm though.

Cheapest on meijer.com

$195 alien backflip
$150 Devils

$170 White russian and Track Monster 24" Munis

CABIN75 to decrease price by $25 if purchase over $175
NEWTHANKS to remove shipping

You can only use one.