In Memorium: US soldiers who died in Iraq 1/20-1/28/06: #2424-2442

[BillyTheMountain]

# ...Date Died ... Name .....................Age .. Hometown

2442 01/28/06 NAME NOT RELEASED YET

2441 01/27/06 NAME NOT RELEASED YET

2440 01/25/06 Johnson, Joshua Allen .....24 Richford, Vermont

2439 01/25/06 Durbin Jr., Jerry M. ......... 26 Spring, Texas

2438 01/24/06 Miles, Sean H................. 28 Midlothian, Virginia

2437 01/23/06 Wagler, Peter D.............. 18 Partridge, Kansas

2436 01/23/06 Chase, Lance M.............. 32 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

2435 01/23/06 Scott, Joshua A.............. 24 Tunnel Hill, Georgia

2434 01/23/06 Calapini, Lewis T. D.......... 21 Waipahu, Hawaii

2433 01/23/06 Hunter, Matthew D........... 31 Valley Grove, WestVirginia

2432 01/22/06 McElroy, Brian.................. 28 San Antonio, Texas

2431 01/22/06 Norton, Jason L................. 32 Miami, Oklahoma

2430 01/20/06 Arrelano Pandura, Carlos...... 22 Los Angeles/Rosemead, CA

2429 01/20/06 Dewey, Brandon Christopher.. 20 Tracy/San Joaquin, CA

2428 01/20/06 Frantz, Matthew C............... 23 Lafayette, Indiana

2427 01/20/06 Yazzie, Clifton J.................. 23 Fruitland,New Mexico

2426 01/20/06 Flanagan, Dennis J............... 22 Inverness, Florida

2425 01/20/06 Scott, Rickey...................... 32 Columbus, Georgia

2424 01/20/06 Singleton, Katherine Patricia... ....Pensacola, Florida

[abbabibble]

Hats off...

[MERCYME]

Rest in Power

Worthless war.

[dudewithasock]

-quick moment of remembrance-

[abbabibble]

http://www2.acc.af.mil/music/ceremonial/tunes/14a-taps.mp3
everyone who looks at this must listen and reflect. For their sake, please.

[BillyTheMountain]

Bodycount was 2,242 when I started this Sunday. When Cindy Sheehan was arrested at Bush's State of the Union address, her T-shirt said, "2,245 Dead. How many more?" -- a reference to the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq.

Billy

[Spudman]

Quite strange.

To most of us these are just names on our screens, but the family members of those who died, especially the 20 some year old troops, are probably devistated. We can't really realize what they are going through. Death is a horrible thing.

And there are 2,400 families that went through horrible grief during this time of "war". It seems like taking off your hat doesn't quite cut it.

[GILD]

It seems like taking off your hat doesn't quite cut it.
It doesn't. (http://www.peacebuttons.com/)
Call your congressman.

[U-Turn]

Hats off as well to the innocent Iraqis killed... is it 10 or 100 times that number? or more?

[GILD]

Iraqbodycount.net (http://www.iraqbodycount.net/)

The 100th British soldier (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1698892,00.html)dies.

[wobbling bear]

And there are 2,400 families that went through horrible grief during this time of "war". It seems like taking off your hat doesn't quite cut it.
Here my very first post in the unicycling community: http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?p=132637#post132637
it was adressing that very concern:(

[BillyTheMountain]

Number of active duty deaths surpassing 2,330.

Not since Vietnam have so many USA families been informed of the death of their child in Iraq.

According to front page story in today's NYTimes, the USA stinks at death notifications, and tries to tell the families (incorrectly) that they cannot view the body.

And after informing the family, they walk away from the family without offering any comfort.

I think that's just plain wrong. What do you think?

Billy

[Zzagg]

Death is a horrible thing.Death is nothing without life and life as no meaning if it's not ended by death...
War is a horrible thing.
just take it for what it's worth but I feel sad for you (I mean the US in general). I hope I'll never know the feeling of saying goodbye to someone who is on a "good" way to a violent death.
Beside all political arguments, I feel sad for all the bodies, whatever land they come from.:(

[James_Potter]

Number of active duty deaths surpassing 2,330.
Number of people who died on 9/11, 2,986.
Because we started this war, we have nearly doubled the number of American deaths.
Not to mention the 30,000+ Iraqis who have so far died.

[BillyTheMountain]

MANY more deaths of US and coalition soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This war is different in that a lot of the support is provided by military contractors--civilians who work for Haliburton yet who put themselves in danger, and die. These people also died serving the USAs invasion, but don't get counted with the soldier deaths.

Does anyone track deaths of US military contractors? Does anyone have numbers?

[JJuggle]

Does anyone track deaths of US military contractors? Does anyone have numbers?
The Iraq Coalition Casualty Count (http://www.icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx) has partial numbers.

[DK]

I mean, it sucks that they died, but I cant really feel sorry for them. Its not like they didnt choose to go fight thier wars of imperialism. Compared to the number of Iraqis dead, our numbers are almost insignifigant.

[BillyTheMountain]

I mean, it sucks that they died, but I cant really feel sorry for them. Its not like they didnt choose to go fight thier wars of imperialism. Compared to the number of Iraqis dead, our numbers are almost insignifigant.

Please don't be so hard on them. The USA economy has been demolished by Bush's economic policies. Wages have not kept pace with inflation. Unemployment is high. And people have to feed their families.

Even Wal-Mart has a plan to dump the people who have been working here a long time, because they make more money, so Wal-Mart is harassing them by making them be on call to work odd hours and stuff. This was on the front page of the NYTimes recently.

cannot feed a family on Wal-Mart wages. :(

Thanks for the link, Raphael!

[GILD]

And now they've gone and passed that torture bill, putting your soldiers at even greater risk.
Whose side are they on anyway?

[JJuggle]

Whose side are they on anyway?
Clearly J.H. Blair's.

[GILD]

I learn so much just from asking dumb questions on this forum.

Thanx.

[bugman]

And now they've gone and passed that torture bill, putting your soldiers at even greater risk.
Whose side are they on anyway?

How is it putting them in greater risk of being quartered, heads chopped off, dragged through the streets? The insurgents don't know what the Geneva Convention is, they don't follow it and they never will.

What we passed esentially says, follow US law and you are okay. Not exactly condoning torture. Personally having been through the US military POW course, and having been exposed to waterboarding and other forms of "torture", I am not in agreement that what we were doing is torture. Bamboo shoots under the nails, hanging from your feet for hours, breaking bones, being burned, fingers cut off, being shot, electrocuted and many other physically damaging actions are torture. Listening to the Red Hot CHilli Peppers is not "Torture" even if they are not my favorite band.

Back to the purpose of the thread. A moment to reflect on the horror of war and all my friends that won't be comming home. I hope that the Iraqi people will be able to take over more and more of the operations in their country. The only way to leave Iraq is when they are capable of handling the responsibility. If we leave any earlier we are signing the death warrant for many, many more than we have already lost.

[GILD]

How is it putting them in greater risk of being quartered, heads chopped off, dragged through the streets? The insurgents don't know what the Geneva Convention is, they don't follow it and they never will.

Which is far, far removed from knowing what it is but choosing to interpret it in your own way.
Yeah, a veritable chasm.

And you would not regard waterboarding as torture?

[GILD]

Personally having been through the US military POW course, and having been exposed to waterboarding and other forms of"torture"

Seems your State Department disagrees with you as well.
Well, they do when it's done in Tunisia anyway.

c. Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

The law prohibits such practices; however, security forces reportedly tortured detainees to elicit confessions and discourage resistance. The forms of torture and other abuse included: electric shock; submersion of the head in water (http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61700.htm); beatings with hands, sticks, and police batons; suspension, sometimes manacled, from cell doors and rods resulting in loss of consciousness; and cigarette burns.

[bugman]

Seems your State Department disagrees with you as well.
Well, they do when it's done in Tunisia anyway.

I think degrading is too general a term, and modern waterboarding isn't technically submersion. They strap you to a board, place a towel over your face, and pour water over your face. It is very effective with out causing any harm. You feel like you are drowning without the risk of drowning. The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes before begging to confess

Waterboarding is nothing like wake boarding. Although wake boarding has lead to drownings. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding)

More info on the 19 day course I went through. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SERE)

[GILD]

I think degrading is too general a term, and modern waterboarding isn't technically submersion.

Chad, with respect, if you have to resort to such technicalities in order to justify invoking a mortal fear in your prisoner with the express purpose of forcing him to confess (not provide accurate intel), I'd like to suggest that the time for some major reappraisal may be at hand.

You mentioned the purpose of this thread.
Isn't it absurd to destroy liberties and the rule of law as a way to thank your fallen fighters for freedom?

[BillyTheMountain]

More info on the 19 day course I went through. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SERE)

There may be interest in you doing a workshop on this at the next NAUCC or UNICON.

[bugman]

There may be interest in you doing a workshop on this at the next NAUCC or UNICON.


Hmmm. Any volunteers?:D I swear it will only take a minute...well maybe only 14 seconds...;)

[GILD]

You feel like you are drowning without the risk of drowning.[/URL]
Which, at best (and since were seemingly dealing in technicalities), makes it a mock exe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drowning#The_reaction_to_water_inhalation)cution.
Which, incidentally, is also generally frowned upon by civilised nations.
Refer Clemenceau.

[bugman]

Which, at best (and since were seemingly dealing in technicalities), makes it a mock exe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drowning#The_reaction_to_water_inhalation)cution.
Which, incidentally, is also generally frowned upon by civilised nations.
Refer Clemenceau.

Isn't execution pretty much irreversible? Firing squad, Electric chair, Beheading, hanging, drawn and quartered. I can't imagine people suffering from one of these executions comming back. As a lifeguard during college, I saw many drownings. Not one death.

[BillyTheMountain]

Isn't execution pretty much irreversible? Firing squad, Electric chair, Beheading, hanging, drawn and quartered. I can't imagine people suffering from one of these executions comming back. As a lifeguard during college, I saw many drownings. Not one death.

Could be because there was a lofeguard present.

Do you propose they make it mandatory to have a lifeguard present at every torture?

Don't you think when the torturers get enthusiastic, they'd see the lifeguard as a buzz kill? Would you want that job a Gitmo, Abu Graib, or your local Atlanta prison?

[GILD]

Talking about torture, some light rea (http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=16337)ding.

[BillyTheMountain]

Total US troop deaths this month have reached at least 53 so far, putting October on a path to be the third deadliest month o the entire war for the US military.

Iraqis are being killed at a rate of 100 per day

Even Saddam has called from his prison cell for Iraqis to stop killing each other.

[ice_cold_uni6]

why.......

i think we shall never understand.
instead we are left to somberly remember and regret, and vow in their memory that this should never happen again...never again.

[GILD]

and vow in their memory that this should never happen again...never again.
Yeah, that's what you's said after Vietnam.

[Wheel Rider]

Yeah, that's what you's said after Vietnam.
It is still not possible to win a guerrilla / limited war on someone else's home turf.

[BillyTheMountain]

Yeah, that's what you's said after Vietnam.

And after WWII, "The war to end all wars."

Front page NYTImes today: Headline: U.S. says violence in Baghdad rises, foiling campaign. Sub head: Spike in combat deaths
Sub head: "Disheartening" assaults call for a "refocus" of effort, general says

[BillyTheMountain]

So after all these unnecessary deaths of USA men and women, coalition forces and Iraqis, (and children and other civilians), looks like Bush might change course--just to help his team win the midterm elections.

Too sad. :(

[mscalisi]

Thank you for reminding us that despite the war fading from headlines, that people are still dying.

Each life lost is shameful and devestating to their families and friends.

The death toll from this is in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands accross multiple nations.

We tend to focus on the numbers, but we should remember that each and every life lost is one life too many. I feel that we've become numb to that.

[GILD]

"And all we are saying..."


http://www.wpclipart.com/signs_symbol/peace_symbol_petri_lumme_01.png

[BillyTheMountain]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6176062,00.html

U.S. Military Deaths in Iraq Hit 2,810

Saturday October 28, 2006 1:16 AM


By The Associated Press

As of Friday, Oct. 27, 2006, at least 2,810 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians. At least 2,254 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.

The AP count is two more than the Defense Department's tally, last updated Friday at 1 p.m. EDT.

The British military has reported 119 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 17; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, six; El Salvador, five; Slovakia, three; Estonia, Netherlands, Thailand, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Romania, one death each.

---

The latest deaths reported by the military:

- A soldier died of wounds received in combat Thursday in Diyala province, northeast of Baghdad.

---

The latest identifications reported by the military:

- Army Sgt. 1st Class Tony L. Knier, 31, Sabinsville, Pa.; killed Oct. 21 in Beiji, Iraq, when an explosive detonated near his vehicle; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C.

---

On the Net:

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/

[BillyTheMountain]

Something has changed.

The front page of today's NYTimes has a photo of a soldier's burial at Arlington National Cemetery (where my father's cremains are buried).

A beautiful family.


The subtitle names the soldier, and says "Burials there took on a grim regularity in October, when more than 100 Americans were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. More photographs, Page A18." ... !!!!!

Remember when Bush censored the press on this??

[GILD]

Yeah, but he's got mid-terms to win now.

[BillyTheMountain]

Yeah, but he's got mid-terms to win now.

It's obvious to many Bush is sending Americans to Iraq to die. Even tho he's finally giving them body armor, they are losing badly.

I think Bush has lost his iron-tight grip on censoring what the American people see and think, and this is one demonstration of it.

[GILD]

Doubt it.
This still reeks of cynical politicareening on an unheard of scale.
And he's getting away with it.

[BillyTheMountain]

Pretty much the American people know Bush created a place for terrorists to meet and grow in Iraq, and sacrificed many USA lives to do it. Not to mention all the $$$$.

[BluntRM]

This is a very short website, the writer, 20 year old Lance Cpl. Karl Linn, was
a VCU engineering student who "was killed in an ambush in Iraq's Anbar
province with three others in his unit on January 26, 2005", ten days after his
last update. Before he died in Iraq he won an award for his work co-designing a solar powered vehicle. Before he died in Iraq he started a successful robotics program at his high school.

http://www.karl.linn.net

[BillyTheMountain]

The Defense Dept has identified 2,860 American service members who have died since the start of the Iraq war. Add American contractors to that number.

Yesterday confirmed the deaths of :

Alonzo, Joshua C., 21, from Dumas Texas
Musack, james P., 23 from Riverside Iowa

Say a prayer for them and their families.

[BillyTheMountain]

3,000 Americans have died in Iraq so far.

nytimes.com/national to see the faces of the dead, ages, hometown.

Parents lost children.

Children lost parents.

Families lost loved ones.

When will they ever learn.

When will they ever learn.

[skianduniaddict]

this is awful but we cant forget people
just as many people were killed jsut in l.a this year

[BillyTheMountain]

this is awful but we cant forget people
just as many people were killed jsut in l.a this year

Did Bush send them into harms way, too?

[skianduniaddict]

no but noone notices that

[sugarloafur]

Did Bush send them into harms way, too?

I'm certainly not saying that the war is right, but everyone who's there from the US joined the armed forces voluntarily... full well knowing that one day they might be called into action. Again, I'm not saying this action was called for the least bit, but being sent somewhere is part of their job.

[BillyTheMountain]

I'm certainly not saying that the war is right, but everyone who's there from the US joined the armed forces voluntarily... full well knowing that one day they might be called into action. Again, I'm not saying this action was called for the least bit, but being sent somewhere is part of their job.

Yes. But I try to avoid creating situations where people can get themselves hurt.

I support laws against drunk driving, etc. And I wouldn't lie to create a dangerous situation people could willingly enter into.

And it's only getting worse for everyone concerned, with every passing month. 113 dead in December alone. Our brothers and sisters on every side.

[BillyTheMountain]

Iraq Memorial Service Invitation

On Tuesday January 30 from 12:30pm to 1:30pm there will be a memorial
service for the more than 3,000 U.S. soldiers killed in the Iraq war. The names
of the dead will be recited aloud by the participants in this interfaith
service. After short, interfaith, dedication prayers, a New York church choir
will sing a memorial hymn.

The memorial service will be held in Dag Hammarskjold Plaza across the
street from the United Nations. Dag Hammarskjold Plaza is a NYC park located
in the heart of Manhattan on East 47th Street between United Nations Plaza
(1st Ave.) and 2nd Avenue.

Although the service is directed primarily to the U.S. soldiers killed
in this war, it will also recognize all the fallen, injured and traumatized on
all sides of the conflict.

Please come. Please bring a candle. Bring a chair if you require one.

If you see this as a worthy event, please extend the invitation to
your friends, family, associates, extended relations and mailing lists.

Thank you for your attention,

Please work for peace,
Grover Genro Gauntt
Hudson River Zen Center
Zen Community of New York
Zen Peacemakers

--
Upcoming Street Retreats:
Current Information Posted Here:
http://www.houseofonepeople.org/events.htm?type=Street%20Retreat

[BillyTheMountain]

Memorial Day, 2007.

several townships, like Long Beach, Long Island, have decided to fly their flags at half-mast unendingly, for the soldiers dying in Iraq every day, until the USA ends the occupation.

BTM

[BillyTheMountain]

And this month has broken records as far as numbers of our soldiers dying.

For what?

[wickedbob]

oil?

[forrestunifreak]

For what?

What do you honestly think they are doing over there, Billy? Walking around randomly dieing for no reason?

[JJtheunicycle]

I met a really cool guy who just got back from Iraq. He was talking about his expieriences and stuff, his best friend just died recently :(.

[BillyTheMountain]

Memorial Day


If any question why we died,
Tell them, because our fathers lied.

-Rudyard Kipling

[BillyTheMountain]

The way the news covers it for the past several months, you'd think there were no US soldiers dying in Iraq.....

Do any unicyclists know the bodycount?

[Gilby]

The way the news covers it for the past several months, you'd think there were no US soldiers dying in Iraq.....

Do any unicyclists know the bodycount? The bodycount is very high. It's a shame that we have to count any bodies in an illegal, unlawful, and pre-emptive war. It never should have been.

[Wheel Rider]

The way the news covers it for the past several months, you'd think there were no US soldiers dying in Iraq.....

Do any unicyclists know the bodycount?

There is a current count here (http://icasualties.org/oif/). The site also includes other casualty statistics.

[BillyTheMountain]

There is a current count here (http://icasualties.org/oif/). The site also includes other casualty statistics.

Good site.

U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 3931
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 3
Total 3934

[BillyTheMountain]

4000 US soldiers dead in Iraq.

The NYTimes ran a photo of each of the last 1000.

Look at their faces.

[BillyTheMountain]

They say no US soldiers died in Iraq in October 2008.

[maestro8]

They say no US soldiers died in Iraq in October 2008.

they say a lot of things, but who can you really trust?

[johnfoss]

I heard something on the radio in the last two days saying it was the lowest monthly casualty rate since 2003, or something like that. But not zero.

[BillyTheMountain]

Last month the casualty rate peaked again.

icasuality.org