Is Female Orgasm of any use?

[BillyTheMountain]

A few weeks ago the NYTimes Science Times 5/17/05 had an article about whether there is any Darwinian logic behind female orgasm.

It seems that it's just a vestige of the extensive nerve pathways fetuses get before their gender is determined. The females are left with all these nerves good for nothing, but with the side effect of orgasm.

Like nipples in males--added at the factory before gender was determined. Male nipples are good for nothing, but with the side effect of another body part to pierce for a gold ring.

Your thoughts?

I was going to post this as a poll...... Can you imagine?

Billy

[DK]

Yes, because people (women) wouldn't want to have sex if all they got out of it was VD...

And without it the sex toy bu$iness wouldn't exist

[bugman]

Women have orgasims to make procreating a pleasurable experience. Otherwise we would become extinct.

[MERCYME]

Originally posted by BillyTheMountain
A few weeks ago the NYTimes Science Times 5/17/05 had an article about whether there is any Darwinian logic behind female orgasm.

It seems that it's just a vestige of the extensive nerve pathways fetuses get before their gender is determined. The females are left with all these nerves good for nothing, but with the side effect of orgasm.

Like nipples in males--added at the factory before gender was determined. Male nipples are good for nothing, but with the side effect of another body part to pierce for a gold ring.

Your thoughts?

I was going to post this as a poll...... Can you imagine?

Billy
But can you pierce a female orgasm? Think about it

[DK]

Originally posted by MERCYME
But can you pierce a female orgasm? Think about it
???

Can you pierce sadness?

[DK]

Originally posted by bugman
Women have orgasims to make procreating a pleasurable experience. Otherwise we would become extinct.
thats what I was trying to say...

The good would be if women didn't orgasim is that the world wouldn't be so overrun with all the filthy humans

who are we to breed, put away your seed
we can't evovle an iron lung

[MrBoogiejuice]

Originally posted by MERCYME
But can you pierce a female orgasm? Think about it

I've been trying to nail one since I reached full maturity with varying degrees of success.

[Diznei]

Women have orgasims to make procreating a pleasurable experience. Otherwise we would become extinct.

Bugman is right. Procreation had to be made into a pleasureable experience, otherwise, no one would have any motivation to do it. With no motivation, there is no sex, and no kids. No kids means no more humans.

That would suck.

[johnfoss]

Originally posted by bugman
Women have orgasims to make procreating a pleasurable experience. Otherwise we would become extinct.
Originally posted by Diznei
Bugman is right. Procreation had to be made into a pleasureable experience, otherwise, no one would have any motivation to do it.Bugman is not right. This is all opinion of course, but here's why:

The majority of women (somewhere over 60%) cannot experience orgasm from sexual intercourse. So much for the procreation argument. If all people did was have sex to procreate, women most would never find out orgasms were possible. Many never do. In fact, I know a woman in her mid-40s, who grew up in this country, and only just found out the "details."

Only the *males* need to enjoy sex for the species to be preserved. Same for most species. Not really fair in any way, but true.

If you believe procreation was "made" into a pleasurable experience, shouldn't most women's sensitive parts be "made" a little closer to the action in intercourse? The parts generally don't line up.

Back to the original post:
Darwinian logic? Darwin's theories do not propose things are "designed" for a reason. Just better odds of survival for the "fitter" species. We men have mammary glands too. But they don't seem to get in the way too much...

[Evan Byrne]

Whats an orgasam?

[MERCYME]

Originally posted by Evan Byrne
Whats an orgasam?
Ask your mom

[markf]

john's correct. women just need to enjoy sex. most species the female goes into heat, human's can breed year round.

[caw89]

Originally posted by Evan Byrne
Whats an orgasam?

OMG Evan please tell me that was a joke.......if not why dont you ask Shawna ;)

[Scolson]

We don't need pleasure to procreate. Only humans and dolphins get pleasure from sex. We just need a little more primal instinct and it wouldn't be necassary.

[Loosemoose]

Originally posted by Evan Byrne
Whats an orgasam? ... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgasm)

It seems that it's just a vestige of the extensive nerve pathways fetuses get before their gender is determined. The females are left with all these nerves good for nothing, but with the side effect of orgasm.

Except men & women feel similar experiences, so it can't be a female thing. And despite the fact that sex (at least from a procreative point of view) only has to be pleasureable for the male, women seem to get the better deal (more erogenous zones, and multiple climaxes...)

An interesting discussion has begun here, which has been rather scarce of late.

Loose.

[amanda.gallacher]

i think there must be a point, i dont know yet im only 15, because like some people have said there has to be something for the woman to want to have sex else they wont.

wow what a useless post :rolleyes: hehe im the only girl to reply

[caw89]

I noticed that before I even read your post...lol

[Diznei]

Only humans and dolphins get pleasure from sex

Is it that humans and dolphins are the only ones that get pleasure from sex? I was under the belief that they were the only ones that had sex for pleasure.

I should not have said that sex was made to be pleasurable, but it is possible that it occured through evolution because the women that found sex to be pleasurable were more likely to perform it at will.

[bugman]

Originally posted by johnfoss
Bugman is not right. This is all opinion of course, but here's why:

The majority of women (somewhere over 60%) cannot experience orgasm from sexual intercourse.

John we're not talking about the women you've been with.:D

[nick]

Actually durring female orgasm the muscular contractions associated with orgasms pull sperm from the vagina to the cervix, where it's in better position to reach the egg. If a woman climaxes up until 45 minutes after male ejaculation, she will retain significantly more sperm than she does after non-orgasmic sex.

Therefore better lovers will have more kids, and I should be absolutly sure to wear a condom.

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally posted by nick
Actually durring female orgasm the muscular contractions associated with orgasms pull sperm from the vagina to the cervix, where it's in better position to reach the egg. If a woman climaxes up until 45 minutes after male ejaculation, she will retain significantly more sperm than she does after non-orgasmic sex.

Therefore better lovers will have more kids, and I should be absolutly sure to wear a condom.

fatally flawed fatally flawed fatally flawed fatally flawed

This is known as the Baker-Bellis argument, proposed in 1993, and has been called fatally flawed because their sample size is too small.

IF you believe it, though, the Baker-Bellis argument also asserted that a woman is more likely to have an orgasm when she has sexual intercourse with a man other than her regular sexual partner. They postulated that women seek other partners to obtain better genes for their offspring.

[boo radley]

Originally posted by BillyTheMountain
They postulated that women seek other partners to obtain better genes for their offspring.
i'll share that info with my gf next time she talks about wanting a friggin baby.

[amanda.gallacher]

Originally posted by amanda.gallacher
i think there must be a point, i dont know yet im only 15, because like some people have said there has to be something for the woman to want to have sex else they wont.

wow what a useless post :rolleyes: hehe im the only girl to reply
yay i have something possibly useful to add to my useless post :-
if women couldnt have an orgasm then i think it would cut out a lot of teen pregnancies because teenage girls would say no more often to sex cos they wouldnt be gaining anything rom it except a child, which they wouldnt want.

[cathwood]

Women have sex for many reasons. As, I suspect do men. Enjoyment is in there somewhere, so is having babies but so are lots and lots of things - power, giving somebody else what they want, bribary, that sort of thing.

No, we didn't 'evolve' as orgasminc to further the species, but we had to think of something to do when lying back and thinking of england went out of fashion.

:cool:

Cathy

[nick]

Originally posted by BillyTheMountain
fatally flawed fatally flawed fatally flawed fatally flawed

This is known as the Baker-Bellis argument, proposed in 1993, and has been called fatally flawed because their sample size is too small.

IF you believe it, though, the Baker-Bellis argument also asserted that a woman is more likely to have an orgasm when she has sexual intercourse with a man other than her regular sexual partner. They postulated that women seek other partners to obtain better genes for their offspring.

Having a small sample size doesn't make it untrue, just unproven.

[MrBoogiejuice]

Originally posted by Diznei
Is it that humans and dolphins are the only ones that get pleasure from sex? I was under the belief that they were the only ones that had sex for pleasure.

I should not have said that sex was made to be pleasurable, but it is possible that it occured through evolution because the women that found sex to be pleasurable were more likely to perform it at will.

Bonobo chimps also have sex for pleasure...They're reet randy whotsits...They do it in every possible combination; boy-girl, boy-boy, girl-girl. Even relatives will do it with one another. The only combo tht's frowned upon in bonobo society is mother and son. Them's is interesting animals, unfortunately they're very close to extinction.

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by cathwood
No, we didn't 'evolve' as orgasminc to further the species, but we had to think of something to do when lying back and thinking of england went out of fashion.
Well--in an odd parallel--that one just sent milk and cereal out my nose.

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally posted by Scolson
We don't need pleasure to procreate. Only humans and dolphins get pleasure from sex. We just need a little more primal instinct and it wouldn't be necassary.

The female dolphins for this study have since acknowledged they faked their orgasms....

[cathwood]

PML

:D

[DK]

Originally posted by Evan Byrne
Whats an orgasam?
http://www.observedtrials.net/vb/images/smilie/ugh.gif

[drewation]

Originally posted by MERCYME
But can you pierce a female orgasm? Think about it

i can :D do it everytime

[digigal1]

Originally posted by amanda.gallacher
if women couldnt have an orgasm then i think it would cut out a lot of teen pregnancies because teenage girls would say no more often to sex cos they wouldnt be gaining anything rom it except a child, which they wouldnt want.

Do that many teen boys give teen girls orgasms?

[flyer]

:D

[rhysling]

It's not John's fault- of the 60% of chicks who don't orgasm with the Unic Cyclone, 48% actually hold George W. responsible for his slow responce time.

If Bug-Bot really cared for his employees, he'd give them all female orgasms, too. (he'd probably tell you that's just the voice of a greedy person who isn't willing to do the hard work of trying 60 hours a week for a female orgasm- and he'd be right.)

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by rhysling
If Bug-Bot really cared for his employees, he'd give them all female orgasms, too.
Danger: cross-post! Is Rhysling rusty? Next you'll be mixing metaphors like a bull in a coal mine. :)

[caw89]

Originally posted by digigal1
Do that many teen boys give teen girls orgasms?

Seems like it, either that or theyre doin it to please there b/fs or in some rare case because the truly care for each other and do it out of some sort of love.....But is that question meaning that you disbelieve that teen boys can give girls orgasms?

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally posted by caw89
Seems like it, either that or theyre doin it to please there b/fs or in some rare case because the truly care for each other and do it out of some sort of love.....But is that question meaning that you disbelieve that teen boys can give girls orgasms?

Many teenagers give each other orgasms, but not through intercourse. That makes it more difficult to bring Darwin into the discussion, no?

[GILD]

Originally posted by BillyTheMountain
Is Female Orgasm of any use? i don't know but i've been told that it's a lot of fun
rarely in full sentences tho

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally posted by GILD
i don't know but i've been told that it's a lot of fun
rarely in full sentences tho

OK. So you're NOT the guy who said: Female orgasm is a MYTH. I've been with LOTS of women, and not one of 'em ever had an orgasm.

:D :D

Of course, we're talking about Darwin, survival of the species, etc.

[pdc]

One use is that it certainly makes some stimulating entertainment.

[cathwood]

I think that women are better at giving themselves orgasms than men are at giving them, so how does that fit into the Darwinian theory?

I was going to make some joke about having sex with my husband because he takes me to unicycle/juggling conventions and buys me chocolate rather than for orgasms, but since he might meet people from this forum at said unicycle conventions, I wont.

Cathy

[caw89]

Guys just need to know what there doing, girls need to tell there partner what they like...or dislike. A guy that has been told or has exp. can do a better job than the girl trying to give herself one....

[cathwood]

Really???

Cathy

[caw89]

Better angles....

[DigitalDave]

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There's a way to better orgasm for everyone ... Kegel exercise (http://www.askmen.com/love/love_tip_60/67_love_tip.html) for BOTH sexes.

[bugman]

Originally posted by rhysling
It's not John's fault- of the 60% of chicks who don't orgasm with the Unic Cyclone, 48% actually hold George W. responsible for his slow responce time.

If Bug-Bot really cared for his employees, he'd give them all female orgasms, too. (he'd probably tell you that's just the voice of a greedy person who isn't willing to do the hard work of trying 60 hours a week for a female orgasm- and he'd be right.)

:D

[GILD]

Originally posted by cathwood
I was going to make some joke about having sex with my husband because he takes me to unicycle/juggling conventions and buys me chocolate rather than for orgasms... hang on
is she saying that unicycling is better than chocolate??!?

[jagur]

of course the F-male O is useful. without it, how am i ever going to have mine?

[Checkernuts]

Originally posted by jagur
of course the F-male O is useful. without it, how am i ever going to have mine?

Right on Jag man,

I've also heard an argument that the muscular contractions durring orgasm help spred the love so to speak, in the procriation process.

[this end up]

it encourages reproduction therefore insuring that the human race is preserved. see i am smrt:)

[digigal1]

Originally posted by caw89
But is that question meaning that you disbelieve that teen boys can give girls orgasms?
No, being a female philogynist all my life, I really don't know...

[DigitalDave]

Originally posted by digigal1
No, being a female philogynist all my life, I really don't know...

PICS PLZ ! :p

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally posted by DigitalDave
PICS PLZ ! :p

Dave, PLEEEEZE! The KIDS!!!:D

Billy:D

[DigitalDave]

*snicker*

yeah ... PM them to me ... hahaha

[Gilby]

Originally posted by DigitalDave
PICS PLZ ! :p

Use the http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/newimages2/top_search.gif... but not on this site.

[DigitalDave]

Originally posted by Gilby
Use the http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/newimages2/top_search.gif... but not on this site.

:D

... sorry ,,, I couldn't resist, since she couldn't resist the personal info ...

[mscalisi]

Had to look that one up. Thanks for expanding my vocabulary. Seems that I'm a philogynist too!

Originally posted by digigal1
No, being a female philogynist all my life, I really don't know...

[GILD]

are u now?

...one who esteems woman as the higher type of humanity... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Philogynist)

that's as bad as racism, isn't it?

[JJuggle]

I am loathe to post this in the But wait there's more.. thread, but just had to share and this seemed the ideal place. This has to be one of the more amusing uses of unicycling as metaphor.

Rubbed the wrong way: Sex crime at the11th circuit

By Terry Diggs
1,840 words
9 September 2005
The Recorder
5
Volume 129; Issue 175
English
Copyright 2005 ALM Properties, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

If Williams v. Attorney General had been just about female orgasm, most women would have known how to deal with the disappointment: Ooo ... Oh ... Ooo ... Oh ... Oh god ... Ooo ... Oh god ... Oh ... Oh ... Oh ... Oh, god ... Oh yeah, right there! ... Oh! Oh ... Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes ... Oh ... Oh ... Yes, Yes, Yes ... Oh ... Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes ... .

Unfortunately, Williams - the Eleventh Circuit case that made it possible for Alabama cops to bust housewives for selling sex toys to each other at Tupperware-style parties - wasn't quite as accomplished a simulation. Indeed, Williams showed federal judges capable of faking only a meaningful analysis of what - and, as importantly, whose - private acts merit constitutional protection.

...

What we do know is that the stifling of sex talk - of how and where and when many of us ride the unicycle - is still restraining us from giving it a spin.

[mscalisi]

I guess it depends on which definition you take. Literally, it means one who loves (philo) women (gynist).

One could argue that woman are the higher type of humanity, but that's an entirely different thread.


Originally posted by GILD
are u now?

...one who esteems woman as the higher type of humanity... (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Philogynist)

that's as bad as racism, isn't it?

[GILD]

i totally understand the sense in which it was originally used in this thread and i'm just carrying on about it cause it's my idea of fun
besides, this is a language thing and as Andy Richter told us, language is 'that thing that means stuff...'

Originally posted by mscalisi
Literally, it means one who loves (philo) women (gynist).

the definition of 'philo' allready contains an element of
'preference (http://www.tfd.com/philo-)'

Originally posted by mscalisi
I guess it depends on which definition you take. take your pick


definition 1 (http://dict.die.net/philogynist/)
definition 2 (http://www.brainydictionary.com/words/ph/philogynist202149.html)
definition 3 (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Philogynist)
definition 4 (http://www.wordshead.com/show_word/definition-of-philogynist.html)
definition 5 (http://www.websters-dictionary-online.com/Ph/Philogynist.html)
definition 6 (http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Philogynist)
definition 7 (http://en.thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/philogynist/)
definition 8 (http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/english/Ph/Philogynist.html)

[mscalisi]

I think they all copied from the same "smart kid"


Originally posted by GILD
i totally understand the sense in which it was originally used in this thread and i'm just carrying on about it cause it's my idea of fun
besides, this is a language thing and as Andy Richter told us, language is 'that thing that means stuff...'



the definition of 'philo' allready contains an element of
'preference (http://www.tfd.com/philo-)'

take your pick


definition 1 (http://dict.die.net/philogynist/)
definition 2 (http://www.brainydictionary.com/words/ph/philogynist202149.html)
definition 3 (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Philogynist)
definition 4 (http://www.wordshead.com/show_word/definition-of-philogynist.html)
definition 5 (http://www.websters-dictionary-online.com/Ph/Philogynist.html)
definition 6 (http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Philogynist)
definition 7 (http://en.thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/philogynist/)
definition 8 (http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/english/Ph/Philogynist.html)

[caw89]

Well if there were no female orgasm there would be less cheating on there spouces...

[pdc]

Originally posted by caw89
Well if there were no female orgasm there would be less cheating on there spouces...

Shades of FGM :)

[digigal1]

Originally posted by DigitalDave
:D

... sorry ,,, I couldn't resist, since she couldn't resist the personal info ...

My statement was relevant to my response.

[Seager]

Originally posted by johnfoss
Bugman is not right. This is all opinion of course, but here's why:

The majority of women (somewhere over 60%) cannot experience orgasm from sexual intercourse. So much for the procreation argument. If all people did was have sex to procreate, women most would never find out orgasms were possible. Many never do. In fact, I know a woman in her mid-40s, who grew up in this country, and only just found out the "details."

Only the *males* need to enjoy sex for the species to be preserved. Same for most species. Not really fair in any way, but true.

If you believe procreation was "made" into a pleasurable experience, shouldn't most women's sensitive parts be "made" a little closer to the action in intercourse? The parts generally don't line up.

Your logic would be sound assuming evolution was a perfect process, but it's not. Just because woman didn't evolve perfect sex organs doesn't mean that woman who enjoyed sex in some fashion didn't have sex more and thus procreate more, which slowly fueled the natural selection for a species of woman who enjoyed sex.

Because of humans higher brain functions and higher level reasoning skills we can no longer be completely governed by instinct. The majority of Apes only have sex for a matter of seconds. They don't needs lot of pleasure from sex (they do get some) because they are driven to "*** like monkeys" due to their instincts. We just aren't that simple.

Men and woman deriving pleasure from sex WOULD be selected for and thus was. That is natural selection in it's purest form. Anything that makes us screw more, survive longer to screw, and better provide for the babies after screwing is selected for (we outcompete populations that do not do such things).

//edit: I want to clarify before I'm jumped on for that. Evolution works on the principle of random mutation and other things of that nature. If those "useless" nerve functions cause their host to procreate more and thus pass down the genes that cause those useless nerve functions, this is natural selection. Not everything that would be beneficial to a species always happens naturally, and those things are never given the opportunity to be passed down because they never happen. (I didn't want that fallacy thrown at me :) )

It should also be noted that natural selection within a species has been proved scientifically. The evolution debate is only on wether this can lead to the creation of a different species. No one disagrees that natural selection happens inside a species.

Another example is woman's breasts. Apes only have swollen breasts a few times a year. Human women have swollen breasts their entire adult life. This is because when humans became bipedal we men lost our main sexual attractant - the cleavage of a bent over buttox. Breasts became the new main sexual attractant. Breast and butt cleavage are VERY similar.

Again, simply something that was selected for.

Oh, and everyone, please stop calling it "darwinian" this or that. We've come along way since Darwin.

[GILD]

Originally posted by Seager
Breast and butt cleavage are VERY similar. not on my plumber

[rhysling]

Originally posted by Seager
Your logic would be sound assuming evolution was a perfect process, but it's not.

Because of humans higher brain functions and higher level reasoning skills we can no longer be completely governed by instinct.

We just aren't that simple.


A bit of self-indulgent hubris, me thinks, my "high" brain functioning friend. Most EVERYTHING good old homo-erectus does is "instictual"/reflexive- even your impulse to post a disertation on your belief system. Oh, it might be dressed-up in convoluted structures, the purpose of witch is not readyly apparent to the rationalizing mind; however, no mater how complex our fancies, we are, nonetheless, that simple.

We're all just pretentious monkies.

[JJuggle]

Originally posted by rhysling
We're all just pretentious monkies. Hey, Hey.

[this end up]

well the femle orgasm is very argueable. but what about the male adams apple?

[Seager]

Originally posted by rhysling
A bit of self-indulgent hubris, me thinks, my "high" brain functioning friend. Most EVERYTHING good old homo-erectus does is "instictual"/reflexive- even your impulse to post a disertation on your belief system. Oh, it might be dressed-up in convoluted structures, the purpose of witch is not readyly apparent to the rationalizing mind; however, no mater how complex our fancies, we are, nonetheless, that simple

You can have non-instinctive reflexes. Such as those caused by nuture and society. I did have a reflexive impulse to respond here that was caused by my intolerence of misunderstood evolution, was has been in turn caused by my intolerance of bad arguments and bad laws caused by misunderstood evolution etc etc. This would be nuture, not nature.

I believe we may disagree on the definition of instinct. Oh, and we are Homo sapien, not Homo erectus. :)

[rhysling]

Originally posted by Symantics/Substance
Oh, and we are Homo sapien, not Homo erectus. :)

Speak 4 yourself, buddy. ;)

[ITEMNO530]

What's this now?

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by JJuggle
Hey, Hey.
Good one, although it tork me a minute to get it.

[GILD]

mmm, this is turning out to be a long minute...

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by GILD
mmm, this is turning out to be a long minute...
Well, it's not quite morning on the east coast of USA, so I really need to defer to Raphael for his choice of reference. There are so many to choose from, and I don't want to monkee with the karma of the thread by picking the wrong one.

[tomblackwood]

BTW: this is the best thread-jack ever!

[rhysling]

Originally posted by tomblackwood
BTW: this is the best thread-jack ever!

I could shoot my cannon off about the poor edicit exhibited by thread-jacking, yet... I think I'll just take a powder.

[JJuggle]

Originally posted by tomblackwood
I don't want to Monkee with the karma of the thread by picking the wrong one. No, you certainly wouldn't want to do that.

[GILD]

somehow, despite the EQUITY cultural boycott against south africa during my formative years, which lead to a complete overdose of american television, we never got to see that
hence my confusion

[BillyTheMountain]

Originally posted by caw89
Well if there were no female orgasm there would be less cheating on there spouces...

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Originally posted by tomblackwood

Well, it's not quite morning on the east coast of USA, so I really need to defer to Raphael for his choice of reference. There are so many to choose from, and I don't want to monkee with the karma of the thread by picking the wrong one.

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Did you mean Dharma?

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by BillyTheMountain
Did you mean Dharma?
If I'm posting before midnight my time, it's best to assume I meant what I said.

[tomblackwood]

Originally posted by GILD
somehow, despite the complete overdose of american television, we never got to see that, hence my confusion
How sad. That little half-hour program was really the headwaters of the mighty MTV River.

[Miss Ayelery]

Originally posted by caw89
Well if there were no female orgasm there would be less cheating on there spouces...
My, what a challenging sentence. I'm surprised you made it out alive dear.

Even if we fix the obvious usage errors, the sentence structure will still have problems. I suppose we must start somewhere, however, so let's clean those elements up first.

First, it should be "...if there was no female orgasm...", since in this usage the female orgasm takes the form of a singular concept. In order for "were" to be correct, the sentence would have needed to be plural, as in "if there were no female orgasms" or "if there were no orgasmic females".

Second, when using the possessive form of the word, "their" is the correct usage, not "there". Example: "Look over there! The lions are devouring their kill." There really isn't any reason to miss that one dear.

Finally, the correct plural for "spouse" is "spouses".

Even with those elements corrected, the biggest problem still remains, and that is the failure to identify the subject. The sentence as written is ambiguous, and could be taken a couple different ways. For example:

"If there was no female orgasm, there would be fewer men cheating on their spouses."

"If there was no female orgasm, there would be fewer women cheating on their spouses."

In your sentence, who exactly would be doing less cheating? It's difficult to plan ahead without knowing these specifics.

I just know with a little effort you can do better on your future posts!

MA

[Jim_Rob]

Hey, Harper is wearing his hair in a bun now!

[rupert]

Originally posted by Miss Ayelery
First, it should be "...if there was no female orgasm...", since in this usage the female orgasm takes the form of a singular concept. In order for "were" to be correct, the sentence would have needed to be plural, as in "if there were no female orgasms" or "if there were no orgasmic females".
Miss Ayelery, I'm afraid you are wrong here.

While the alternative you offered is also acceptable, "If there were no female orgasm..." is correct. The hypothetical nature of the statement presents an opportunity to use the subjunctive mood. The past subjunctive of the verb "to be" is "were."

Personally, I would use this form, but I appreciate that different people use the subjunctive to wildly different extents. Still, you cannot say that caw89 was wrong for this particular thing. Thanks for pointing out his other mistakes, though!

I am worried that you are going to subject my posts to special scrutiny from now on, and I'm sure you'll find something sloppy sooner or later!

[DigitalDave]

* my brain hurts now *

[Miss Ayelery]

Originally posted by rupert
Miss Ayelery, I'm afraid you are wrong here. The hypothetical nature of the statement presents an opportunity to use the subjunctive mood. The past subjunctive of the verb "to be" is "were." You cannot say that caw89 was wrong for this particular thing.
I stand corrected, dear. You are right, and it pains me that I missed that one. I was in a bit of a bad mood at the time. If only I were in a subjunctive mood, the outcome might have been different. ;)

Originally posted by rupert
Thanks for pointing out his other mistakes, though!
You're quite welcome dear.

Originally posted by rupert
I am worried that you are going to subject my posts to special scrutiny from now on, and I'm sure you'll find something sloppy sooner or later!
Perhaps I will find something sloppy dear, but it won't be because I'm paying extra attention. I'm not at all vindictive, especially when I've been proven wrong. I'm just trying--in my own little way--to raise the general awareness (and standard) for grammar on these fora. In general, it's bad and getting worse. Through your correction of my mistake, you've also helped raise the bar.

MA

[cbs]

women orgasm! trust me I know lol. :D you guys poop out after 1 or 2 times max. women can do it multiple times. :p:p:p:p:p

oh gosh, u guys dont know anything or dating the wrong girls. trust me, women first, you will be rewarded. :D

[peleschramm]

women orgasm! trust me I know lol. :D you guys poop out after 1 or 2 times max. women can do it multiple times. :p:p:p:p:p

oh gosh, u guys dont know anything or dating the wrong girls. trust me, women first, you will be rewarded. :D
Naw, for me it's like 10.

[Rezinha]

Any thoughts from the ladies?

Yep. You're a jerk.

[pedrotejada]

Interesting thread...

Evan question was the best...

How old was he?

[wickedbob]

Aww, common.

[Rezinha]

YouTube - Pantera-Cowboys From Hell

[Jerrick]

Sex to pantera. Ill drive you up the wall. :)

[Rezinha]

Sex to pantera. Ill drive you up the wall. :)

"You say that you want a piece of me
Well, baby, take a big bite!
I'm burnin' hot
HOT AND HEAVY
It's what I want
HOT AND HEAVY"

[johnfoss]

It's pretty useless if you ask me.That tells us more about you than you probably meant to give up.

[GILD]

"You say that you want a piece of me
Well, baby, take a big bite!
I'm burnin' hot
HOT AND HEAVY
It's what I want
HOT AND HEAVY"

I've always like the lyrics:

"She was on fire last night,
and I was breathing gasoline."

[swarbrim]

And I've always liked the lyrics:

"I brazilian wax poetic, so hypothetically, I don't wanna' beat around the bush.
Foxtrot...Uniform...Charlie...Kilo..."

[Mikefule]

Amazing place this forum: one minute we're talking about things that some people don't think really exist, like God, ghosts and aliens; the next minute, were talking about female orgasms.

I'm in no position to comment further. When I was married, my wife said I was no good at sex - although how she could form a proper considered opinion in 30 seconds is beyond me.

[maestro8]

I'm in no position to comment further. When I was married, my wife said I was no good at sex - although how she could form a proper considered opinion in 30 seconds is beyond me.

http://www.instantrimshot.com/

If you keep this up, you'll need to hire a drummer full-time.

[Mikefule]

http://www.instantrimshot.com/

If you keep this up, you'll need to hire a drummer full-time.

Ah, you can beat a drum, but you can't beat a trumpet.

[BillyTheMountain]

Your logic would be sound assuming evolution was a perfect process, but it's not. Just because woman didn't evolve perfect sex organs doesn't mean that woman who enjoyed sex in some fashion didn't have sex more and thus procreate more, which slowly fueled the natural selection for a species of woman who enjoyed sex.

Because of humans higher brain functions and higher level reasoning skills we can no longer be completely governed by instinct. The majority of Apes only have sex for a matter of seconds. They don't needs lot of pleasure from sex (they do get some) because they are driven to "*** like monkeys" due to their instincts. We just aren't that simple.

Men and woman deriving pleasure from sex WOULD be selected for and thus was. That is natural selection in it's purest form. Anything that makes us screw more, survive longer to screw, and better provide for the babies after screwing is selected for (we outcompete populations that do not do such things).

//edit: I want to clarify before I'm jumped on for that. Evolution works on the principle of random mutation and other things of that nature. If those "useless" nerve functions cause their host to procreate more and thus pass down the genes that cause those useless nerve functions, this is natural selection. Not everything that would be beneficial to a species always happens naturally, and those things are never given the opportunity to be passed down because they never happen. (I didn't want that fallacy thrown at me :) )

It should also be noted that natural selection within a species has been proved scientifically. The evolution debate is only on wether this can lead to the creation of a different species. No one disagrees that natural selection happens inside a species.

Another example is woman's breasts. Apes only have swollen breasts a few times a year. Human women have swollen breasts their entire adult life. This is because when humans became bipedal we men lost our main sexual attractant - the cleavage of a bent over buttox. Breasts became the new main sexual attractant. Breast and butt cleavage are VERY similar.

Again, simply something that was selected for.

Oh, and everyone, please stop calling it "darwinian" this or that. We've come along way since Darwin.



Just because woman didn't evolve perfect sex organs??!!

What??!!

[BillyTheMountain]

Your logic would be sound assuming evolution was a perfect process, but it's not. Just because woman didn't evolve perfect sex organs

Title:
The development and validation of a scale to measure college students' attitudes toward women's genitals.
Author(s):
Herbenick, Debra L., Indiana U., US
Other Journal Title:
Dissertation Abstracts International
ISSN:
0419-4209 (Print)
The purpose of this study was to develop a reliable and valid scale to measure college students' attitudes toward women's genitals. Reliability analysis, and the use of a rational-empirical approach, led to the retention of 10 items that comprised the Attitudes Toward Women's Genitals Scale (ATWGS). Women scored significantly higher on the ATWGS if they reported having received cunnilingus more than twice ever; having ever had a gynecological exam; having looked at their own genitals more than twice during the past year; or if they reported that it was "very" easy to orgasm while receiving oral sex. Men scored significantly higher on the ATWGS if they reported having performed cunnilingus more than twice ever. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2008 APA, all rights reserved)
Release Date:
20080107

[JJuggle]

Can I get ATWGS on a t-shirt? Maybe with my score too.

[Unisykolist]

Is This thread of any use?

[Emile.m]

Is This thread of any use?

Are you of any use?

This is JC, if your to young to read a thread with the word orgasm in it, then don't read it.

Interesting thread...

Evan question was the best...

How old was he?

Lol, he was like 13 or 14.

[Rezinha]

Is This thread of any use?

Nope. But female orgasm surely is.

[Goats_On_Unicycles]

I wish I could be a girl for a while to compare the two.


Hmmmm... Come to think of it, I wonder what sex with a girl is like...

[Ghosts On Unicycles]

In Heaven/Hell (never good to say where you live on the interweds, even here!) I got 72 Virgins, as promised!

[Mikefule]

Men scored significantly higher on the ATWGS if they reported having performed cunnilingus more than twice ever.

Because men never lie about their sexual experience.

If they'd asked me, I would have clouded the issue and said I'd performed cumulonimbus.