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andrew_carter
2002-11-10, 02:27 AM
Klass Bil has posted the following review in the r.s.u. forum. He is unable to post it here because he doesn't have access (being a nonmember) so this is being relayed on:

This morning I tried my Velo KH seat that I obtained from
unicycle.uk.com.

(Disclaimers: I have limited experience with other seats to compare
to. I have never even tried an air seat, and the only seat I use
regularly is my Semcycle Deluxe seat. Also, my views may change with
more hours in the saddle. Anyway, for what it's worth:)

Positive:
1. Sitting comfort (where you actually sit i.e. the butt) is
fantastic. It's just sooo cushy.
2. You can pull up on the seat (handle) a lot more than on the Sem
without any form of front grip. This is of course obvious but it sure
enhances my MUni riding which I did hitherto on the Sem seat.
3. For me the seat is not too wide at the front. I mention that
because others complained about it.
4. Although the handle and seat combo does flex somewhat when under
stress, this was not negatively influencing its effectiveness. It
doesn't seem flimsy either.
5. The seat looks great.

Negative:
1. To my taste the front curves up too much. My "twins" get squeezed
more, in part because the seat itself is soft and thick so you sink in
it more due to your weight. (Note: I have mounted the seat as far

forward as the four bolt slits allow so as to tilt the seat up more,
and sit more on the back of the seat.)
2. The handle isn't the best in ergonomic design. Not that I would
know how to improve it (other than a "phallus-type" handle). But I
generously pulled on the handle during my one-hour MUni ride and had
sore fingers towards the end of the hour. Mainly what hurt were the
middle phalaxes of all (4) fingers. I found myself do the
stretch-flex-stretch to relieve some mild pain.

If anyone wants this on the review forum, feel free to post it. As a
non-member (I use the newsgroup only) I have no access.

Klaas Bil

All my posts are made with 100% recycled electrons.

Originally posted by Klass Bil in r.s.u

slugbath
2002-11-27, 04:38 PM
Velo Saddle – the female perspective

After a week of use, I found the Velo Kris Holm-designed saddle to be much more comfortable than previous saddles I have tried (a Miyata with a homemade airseat conversion, and my original heinous formed-rubber saddle). As Bill, Phil and others have already said, the padding is soft and cushy. On long rides, I never felt like the padding on the saddle was “bottoming out” and feeling hard, as I have experienced on my Miyata. Though I cannot comment for the males, I can attest that the Velo saddle considerably improves the “labial chafing” factor that may be experienced by some females on long rides. As well, the front handle feels very natural and is very easy to grip, perhaps because of the textured surface. It is longer than the Miyata, with more room underneath to insert your fingers.

So far, the only possible disadvantage of the Velo saddle is perhaps for freestyle riders who are only in the seat for short periods of time; the padding may be too large and not worth it if you are focussed on intricate tricks or routines rather than transport. Currently, I have no tricks to speak of in my repetoire, so this is not a concern for me.

The Velo saddle came perched atop my new Norco KH 20” trials unicycle (purchased in Canada, so it has the standard cotterless hub). What a HILL of fun! I'm loving it! I will write a review for my new TUni after I have used it a bit more.

dogfeathers
2002-12-30, 12:11 AM
With the Velo saddle, every time I stand up on the pedals, the dangling male private parts seem to slide between me and the saddle, resulting in pain when I return to a seated position. I don't have this problem much with the air-seat conversion on the Miyata saddle.

This was also the unanimous opinion among the guys in my uni club who tried the Velo saddle today.

Most of us were wearing proper biking shorts. Maybe we need some high-tech suspensories to go with this high-tech saddle.

(Other than that I have no complaints, except maybe that I don't like the looks of the staples that hold the fabric on the underside -- I am expecting them to pull out after a while.)

--Mark

MUni14052
2003-01-27, 10:53 PM
I ordered the KH Velo saddle only 3 days ago, and all I could say was WOW!!

When I ordered it, I expected it to be good, but not this good. Following the pattern, here's my Positives and Negatives:

Positives:

1) Really comfortable
2) Good looking
3) Firm front handle with more room for your hand.
4) Extra durable padding where other parts of the saddle can touch the ground
5) Strong, and durable bumper guards
6) Good for MUni, Trials, and Freestyle
7) Extra padding on the sides
8) The bolts on the bottom actually COME OUT!!!
9) Uses the Scwinn style seat post, and not the "special" Miyata style.

Negatives:

1) The "staples" on the bottom might come out after a pretty long time..

-Joe

phil
2003-01-28, 12:19 AM
I bought my Velo back in October, very shortly after they first came out. So far the staples are showing no signs of moving at all. I suspect if they do they could be whacked back in for a while, and maybe replaced altogether; they look like fairly standard staples.

Another disadvantage I find is doing seat-in-front stuff. The miyata was good for this as it was thin enough to get a decent grip; with the Velo being much thicker it is more difficult to grab it in a way that seems as solid as the miyata.

Phil

Sofa
2003-02-10, 04:23 PM
I have discovered that the bolts that hold to the seatpost may come loose in the plastic, just like in the Miyata, causing the bolts just to spin freely, instead of removing the nuts.

After some trial and error (Krazy glue, loctite, epoxy) I bought some more nuts, and screwed them down tight to the seat base, and this keeps the bolts tight and secure. The seat post can now be screwed back on.

The downside? Now the seatpost is really only touching the 4 nuts, not the whole base of the saddle. After a brief ride, this doesn't seem to be a problem.

I only looked in the closest hardware store, and grabbed a handful of different nuts. I figure the thinner the better, but mine (of 'average' thickness) seem just fine.


Ol' Sofa is happy once again :)

johnfoss
2003-02-12, 08:53 PM
I reviewed the Velo saddle here:
http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopreviewlist.asp?id=627

It's a positive review. To the people wondering about the staples pulling out, it sounds like this will be unlikely, based on the experiences of the guy who disassembled one. He found the cover to be completely contact-cemented to the foam, and the foam completely contact-cemented to the base. Sounds very solid! just don't try taking it apart. That's apparently not the idea with this seat, the best foam unicycle seat I've ever sat on.

rhysling
2003-02-12, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by johnfoss
That's apparently not the idea with this seat, the best foam unicycle seat I've ever sat on.

... I would go as far as to say 'it is the best seat I've sat on, including air' (although I've yet to try an air/foam combo...). Air feels harder, regardless of pressure, to my back side...

The back of the sadle is a bit wide for seat transitions... and there is that bit about sucky bumper colours (all black); other than that, it's a vast improvement. Thanx Kris, thanx Velo.

-C

GizmoDuck
2003-02-16, 12:02 AM
I had my first ride on the KH saddle yesterday. Went for about 3hrs, mostly on-road and some off road.

I found that the saddle tended to push my appendiges upwards- that big angle seems a bit weird. It was also quite flexy especially in the downwards direction (I'm scared it would break when standing and hammering). Probably slightly flexier than the miyata before the carbon fiber conversion.

Otherwise I quite liked the saddle. I agree it's the best saddle out there except for an Air/foam carbon seat.

amosbatto
2003-02-18, 08:22 AM
I would also add that the Kris Holm saddle is much heavier and much higher than a normal saddle. It feels twice as heavy as my Torker seat (no-handle type). You will have to move your seat post down 2.5 to 3.0cm to account for the extra height.

I think that extra weight is worth it. That foam feels wonderful.

The dimensions of the Kris Holm seat are:
26cm long - top of the seat (measuring straight, not bending with saddle. 28cm if measuring with the bend)
37cm long - underside of the seat, including the handle. (38 cm if measure with the bend).
The handle sticks out 4.5cm from the front of the seat.
The seat is 14.5cm at the widest point in the front.
It is 6.5cm wide across the center at the narrowest part of the seat.
It is 14 cm wide at the back of the seat.
It is 7.7cm high at the middle of the seat where the seat post attaches.

rhysling
2003-02-18, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by amosbatto
I would also add that the Kris Holm saddle is much heavier and much higher than a normal saddle. It feels twice as heavy as my Torker seat (no-handle type). You will have to move your seat post down 2.5 to 3.0cm to account for the extra height.

Ya- thicker; I adjust the sadle height based on how high it is compared to my navel- as opposed to some mark on the post. This point is a bit different than with other sadles, since there it has such a pronounced curve.

I would like actual weights for the sadle though: mine doesn't feel twice as heavy as a Viscount, but comparable; a Torker sadle is exceptionaly light, and isn't typical. You couldn't fend off attackers with a Torker- not for long anyway; same thing goes for sitting on one.

-C

nosimaj
2003-02-19, 02:51 PM
The kris holm velo saddle is the best stock saddle on the market. I had never used the miyata saddle before I got my kris holm saddle. The first time I used my kh saddle was at a unitics meeting in nyc. We rode for like six hours of on again off again riding. I was naturally slightly sore at the end of the day. No complaints really.
But this past week I opted not to use my saddle and I used U-turns souped up miyata with grab handle (stifener plate and grab handle) and the seat is really hard. It is also square on the edges and has a lack of padding. My legs were really hurting at the end of the day. And I almost dreaded getting back on the seat. It was really an uncumfortable ride.

fatguygoesuphill
2003-02-22, 10:33 AM
If you have a waist of over 34 inches, I'm betting that the KH velo saddle completely sucks for you.
It's a real NutCrusher for me.
There is simply too much curvature.
I suppose that I should have known better. I mean how big is Kris Holm anyway? He looks like maybe 120 lbs. and a waist of 29-30 inches. Am I right?
I agree that the thing is well constructed and would provide a good platform if it happens to fit.

I'm not completely sure how I'll get it the middle/ side portions back together, but I am in the process of customizing the foam to fit my sizeable ass. Ripped out the staples. Unbolted the handle and bumper. Peeled the foam away from the frame. Loaded the dremel with a grinding stone. Found a bit of 80 grit sandpaper, hemostats, and curved surgical scissors. The foam on the nose and tail is coming out of there. No turning back now. The goal is to lower the fore and aft by carefully removing foam from the underneath of each area. I think it will work if I can just get the staples back in. Proabably have to use some contact cement here and there. If anyone is interested, send me a note and I'll let you know how the surgery went.

noodle
2003-02-22, 04:52 PM
I tried to do surgery too, but I chickened out halfway through because it looked like it was going to ruin the seat. When you put the whole thing back together, try using brass thumbtacks to hold the cover on. I found that they work better than staples and they are easier to remove if you need to do more surgery.

I too found that the KH seat was a crusher. Some of that was me just being a new rider but mostly it was just me getting crushed by the shape of the saddle, I just couldn't get my weight off of the skinny center portion. I found that by lowering the seat a little farther than "ideal" I was able to sit up more on the back of the saddle without sliding down into that skinny section. Much more comfortable.



noodle

fatguygoesuphill
2003-02-27, 09:11 AM
Originally posted by noodle
try using brass thumbtacks to hold the cover on.

noodle

pointy end inside or outside?

noodle
2003-02-27, 06:25 PM
I put them on the inside pointing out. Just like the staples. I have had the thumbtacks in for a while now and the saddle has taken a beating with nothing coming loose. Make sure you get a brand that isn't too long though.

fatguygoesuphill
2003-03-08, 10:24 AM
Got tired of removing foam from the underside and decided to go at the topside. I tore the cover completely off of the foam and wnt at the newly exposed foam with a surform. It was much faster this way. I used contact cement to mate the cover back to the custom shaped foam. The cover neede a little trimming. Plain old heavy duty 1/4 inch staples were used to reattach the middle portions (not all went in completely and most had to be carefully bottomed out with the help of needle-nosed pliers).

Just took it for a spin around the block. Doesn't suck at all like it used to.

Don't be afraid! Try it. Mmmmm......custom saddle.

johnglazer
2003-04-10, 09:21 PM
Is it just me or does jumping with the kris holm seat make your fingers really sore? My joints kinda hurt. Am I doing something wrong, or is this just an effect of unicycling?

fatguygoesuphill
2003-04-12, 08:30 AM
it's just you.
you must really suck

johnglazer
2003-04-13, 07:26 PM
What am I doing wrong?

jagur
2003-04-14, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by johnglazer
What am I doing wrong? dont listen to that guy,hes a jerk.i little bird told me that he'll be band soon anyway.

its natural for your fingers to get sore if your jumping alot trying the same trick over and over again.the front KH bumper is kinda thin too,adding to the pressure

johnglazer
2003-04-14, 02:35 PM
Thanks for your help.

Klaas Bil
2003-04-14, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by johnglazer
Is it just me or does jumping with the kris holm seat make your fingers really sore? My joints kinda hurt. Am I doing something wrong, or is this just an effect of unicycling?
Don't pull harder or for longer times than you need to. I remember on my first ride with the KH seat I had sore fingers too. After a while I realised that I had pulled much too liberally on the seat handle just because I could.

Klaas Bil

billnye
2003-05-10, 04:01 PM
Copying this over from a post I made on the R.S.U side
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Originally posted by Sofa
my velo has already split along the bottom. comfy...but VERY poor quality

That about sums up my opinion so far. I got the velo a couple months ago, when I was ordering the rest of the parts for my *see note* most-boss Fireball ride, and the vinyl or whatever the non-cloth portion seems to be, is cracking along both sides. This problem is only "solved" by the other main complaint i've heard, that the whole dang cover is glued in place around the edges. Guess we know why, heh.

Another main issue is seat-base flex, both front and back, I'd rate it: CarbonFiber -> Old Miyata -> New Miyata -> KH Velo, in terms of seat-base rigidity, especially hopping. Someone somewhere mentioned early seats being manufactured without a reinforcement plate? I don't know whether that's true, whether it's due to change soon, and whether mine does or doesn't have, but gosh would that external reinforcement they posted over in the German forums be nice [*hint* gb4 *hint* ;) ;) ]

Then the little bastage has the same issues as the miyata, with bolts turning in their seatings... only you can't get inside nearly so easy to fix things, and if the rumors of no reinforcement plate are true, the problem is more serious than poorly chosen nuts-n-bolts; it'd be a seat design issue.

Overall, I'd rate it a good freestyle/distance seat, for those who just need near-airseat-comfort without the fluffiness and separation from the uni that those bring, but I have to recommend saving your pennies and building CF/air miyata clones for trials or muni use, 'cause the quality just doesn't seem to be there for the price you pay on the Velo. Given the monetary premium placed on these seats (For which, our dear Kris, we are quite grateful!) :

my $2,
John M

*teh note!*
Adam says that he finally got the frame and cranks dropped off at the powdercoater's, and the wheelset is already built up courtesy of his dad, so <fingers crossed> maybe sometime this week i'll have pics.

GizmoDuck
2003-05-13, 04:04 AM
Sorry to dredge up this old topic again. And I realise a lot of people will disagree with me because everybody's bum is different. But I rode on a KHseat for my 24hr solo race and did not have the slightest problem with chafing or discomfort. I switched over to my 26' Muni on my last lap, which meant that I ended up using the Carbon fibre/Roach/wilder airseat- and I absolutely hated it. It started rubbing on my thighs and my hand never quite felt like it had anything to hold onto with that miyata handle.

I'm not knocking the CF miyata seat, I'm just saying that for some people the KH Velo is much better.

Erin
2003-05-13, 06:08 AM
Yeah, GizmoDuck, I totally agree with you about comfort of the KH. I commute to school daily on my uni and of all the seats I have tried the Velo is by far the most comfortable for long distances. Now if only the bolts would stop spinning on the seat base...:(

Erin

slugbath
2003-05-21, 10:01 PM
Just an observation for people having problems with their KH Velo seats squeaking, particularly when ascending and descending hills: I usually tighten the bolts to the seatpost with a short wrench until they are just tight. The one occassion that I tightened the bolts with a socket wrench (using much greater force), the seat squeaked the whole afternoon. When I loosened the bolts again, it stopped making noise.

Another observation: after seven months of use, the foam on my KH Velo seat is becoming quite soft, and, because the cover is glued onto the saddle, it is wrinkling along the sides where it compresses. This is not proving to be a particular problem (unless you don't like the horizontal ridges in the cover along the sides of the seat)...just thought I would mention it.

Disclaimer: Because my saddle came on a black Norco KH trials uni, I may have a different seat construction than the ones sold by unicycle.com in 2003 (i.e. possibly lacking the metal plate photographed in myocardial's gallery http://www.unicyclist.com/gallery/albuq67).

treepotato
2003-06-18, 07:15 PM
and my 'powered by unicyle.com sticker' stuck it proudly on the head board on my bed!
Kris Holm Velo Seat only two words for it really ABSOLUTLY AMAZING! so comfy, convinent handle: looks cool 9mines red and black) : brilliant for long distances: nice shape ;) i highly recommnd it!

rhysling
2003-08-09, 09:27 PM
A recap on some items of interest to those considering the Velo/KH saddle.

The seat plate is a bit flexy, and has broken on some.

The saddle shape is designed for a higher nose angle than is possible on a stock post, causing weight to be partly carried on the front of the pelvis instead of on the glutes, as would be the case if a rail adapter was used.

The saddle was designed for MUni, not free style, and is a bit wide in the back for seat out or saddle transitions. It is also relatively heavy compared to the Miyata.

The cover on mine has ripped out of the staples holding it to the frame and is turning up after not many hours of use.

The nut caps will separate from the nut when tightened adequately; occasionally, the cap will only partly separate, leaving a sharp crescent for exposed fingers (see pic).

All this in mind, it is still a good advancement in saddle tech; hopefully, it's evolution will continue! I don't plan on replacing mine, but will not use them for freestyle.

-Christopher

john_childs
2003-08-10, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by rhysling

The nut caps will separate from the nut when tightened adequately; occasionally, the cap will only partly separate, leaving a sharp crescent for exposed fingers (see pic).

Ouch! :)

The tops of the acorn nuts on the Miyata seat will also split if tightened down really tight. I put an extra washer or two under the acorn nuts to keep them from blowing their top.

gerblefranklin
2003-08-15, 12:34 AM
I've been comparing a bunch of KH seats at camp and I think the simple way of seeing if you have the old one or the new one with a reinforcement plate is if your seat has "AXIOM" stitched into the front. I think the ones without the "AXIOM" stitched in are the old ones, without the seat base reinforcer. Mine is totally flexy (it also doesn't have "AXIOM" stitched into the front), although my muni is only about 14 lbs so I don't mind. Also, some of my staples have pulled through the fabric/vinyl cover, and the vinyl cover has ripped from rough treatment on the uniucycle rack at camp. Again, I don't mind, all it needs is some duct tape. I would rate this seat higher than the new miyatas for many reasons, partially because I'm sour that my miyata handle ripped off. The KH handle seems to be a stronger plastic, though so this might not happen on it. Only time will tell.


Cheers!

slugbath
2003-08-16, 01:18 AM
If I am not mistaken, the KH seats that say Axiom are generally the ones that were sold by Norco. The ones from Bedford, uni.com, etc. don't have the Axiom (=a Norco brand name) on them. My seat came on a Norco uni and was one of the early ones on the market: it lacks said metal plate. So the existence of a plate may be a timing thing (I seem to recall that later seats were equipped with the plate after the initial introduction), rather than a brand name thing.

paco
2003-08-17, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by rhysling
The nut caps will separate from the nut when tightened adequately; occasionally, the cap will only partly separate, leaving a sharp crescent for exposed fingers (see pic).

I was afraid of tightening my nuts too tightly, but the cap started to fall off anyways, and later the nut fell off as well. So I have to go find a new one at my hardware store.
The other problem I didn't see here, but heard can happen is rounding out the square hole that the bolt is in, inside the seat, leading to spinning bolts. Probably why I didn't tighten my nuts too tight.
I still love my KH seat.

thinuniking
2003-08-28, 01:52 PM
this is a nice saddle i am a bit of a stick man so i do not have the waist problem the thing was i can not remember what thread it was in but you can get a strenghtener on the saddle some were not sure were though.i love my kh now the whole of the seaton uni club have got one!!

Unicycle-Emele
2008-07-17, 01:44 PM
ahh velo

skrobo
2008-07-19, 03:58 AM
we still use the exact same base, and possibly the same handle and bumper...
peice of history you dug up here ...lol

i have to laugh... you CAN get a strengthener in the saddle... that explains the bolt catching holes underneath the stiffener.