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  • #16
    My first uni cost about 90DM (D-Mark, the former german currency till 2001) in the late 90's which would have been around 45-50€ (48-53$) and I still run it's wheelset for freestyle.
    My second uni, a 24" Qu-Ax Cross bought around 2012, cost 160€ (special offer, by adding disc brake and many other parts I later on invested around 290€ extra in this uni haha).

    I've never thrown my uni on my backseat, always in the trunk.
    Last edited by Eric aus Chemnitz; 2017-04-05, 12:47 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Eric aus Chemnitz View Post

      And George Peck upgraded his unicycles, reactively.

      George Peck:
      "Currently available stock unicycles are not up to long term use in rough terrain. These are a few of the dozens of axles I have broken from these machines in some 3 to 4,000 hours of riding and bent cranks and broken pedals and seat posts and seat and seat covers To put together a bike robust enough for sustained rough terrain work, some stock components must be replaced. The most important is the axle. The only two types of axles that have survived my riding are the Phil Wood four shoulder taper and the Bullseye Hollowed Spined Axle. A re-enforced seat post and seat will withstand the fiercest of reefing. And the nylon vinyl seat cover will give reasonable wear. Put on the biggest platform pedals you can find. The addition of these components will reduce failure rates to an acceptable level. Otherwise, it is simply not safe to venture into terrain like this without reliable components. Especially, axles. A broken axle is fairly catastrophic in any event and this is not the place to find out more about it. As your ability to extract more and more torque from the cycle increases, so will your ability to fatigue a stock axle to failure. Steep down hills, hopping and small to medium rock work will cause stock axle failure in 100 to 200 hours. Count on it. So after you burnt out your stock axle in mild terrain, replace it with Phil Wood or Bullseye axle or equivalent."

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      And, by the way, my unicycle goes in the trunk so it's nice and safe.

      Be well and never be satisfied.
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      • #18
        Bringing the world together one wheel at a time

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        • #19
          Bringing the world together one wheel at a time

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          • #20
            Thanks for taking the (substantial, I'm sure) time to do that, Unisphere. I've spent a while on a couple of occasions scanning through the video searching for a particular quote that I partly remembered from him. It's really good having this as a reference now.

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            • #21
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              • #22
                Sorry to take so long to follow up on this, Unisphere. Distractions...

                I'm pretty sure he's saying, "Also de rigueur for jumping," though I've heard better French pronunciation.

                Thanks again for the going to all the trouble!

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                  George Peck: "Remember, what you're seeing here is not about what I can do on a unicycle, but what you can do.
                  He lead the way, and unicyclists followed. A few years after that, people were getting into unicycling specifically to do what he did. To anyone that has seen his video, George Peck has been a teacher, and a source of inspiration.

                  George didn't put the idea of riding rough terrain into my head, I'd been doing that for a while but not like he did. He showed us much more that could be done on unicycles.
                  Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                  "The other object of rough terrain cycling is to make it as interesting as possible..."
                  It's good to be reminded of this, after going to unicycling events where everyone seems to want to ride the trails as fast as possible. Okay, so they were races, but that's not the best way to enjoy a trail. Riding fast is also fun, but you miss a lot when you do it.
                  Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                  "So, why unicycle? ‘Cause, it’s fun. Provides an endless variety of challenge. It’s adaptable to virtual almost any terrain, season or weather. It’s a good workout. It’s good cross training for other balance sports and it’s relatively entry free."
                  I should memorize that one. Though I rarely get asked that question, when I do it's usually by a journalist so it's good to have a great response. People I meet on the trail usually get it already.
                  Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                  Hopping is the next skill I need to practice. There are times when I'm riding and I just come to complete stop and because I can't hop, I stop! Before I start my rides, I'm going to start spending some time practicing my hops.
                  I know that's an old post, but you can also work on idling. It's less useful on rough terrain, but the skills involved are good for all aspects of unicycling, especially at low speeds or in tight spaces.

                  BTW, why are you called Unisphere? Do you live in the Flushing Meadows area? I have an old picture of me in front of the Unisphere (on a uni) in 1985 or so, which I wish were scanned. So many old film pictures, so little time...
                  Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                  How many of us "just throw the cycle behind the seat and off" we go? And how many of us are old enough to remember not spending more than $150 dollars on a unicycle? (see the 1973 Sears catalog ad below). My first unicycle was $50.
                  I've had a unicycle living in the back of my car, most of the time, since the early 1980s. I drive minivans because of unicycling. They fit more unicycles + people than anything short of a truck, and are super versatile. Just not super cool.

                  My first unicycle was $120, but it was a Schwinn Giraffe. My second one was $50, a Japanese "Concord" 24". Now, in my collection, I have examples that are extremely similar to all three of the unicycles shown in that Sears catalog. The cheap one was what I started with (borrowed). What a piece of crap! The others were junky but usable. That bottom one probably did more damage to unicycling than anything else in the 1970s.
                  Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                  "Tires take beating so put on a good knobby. Keep inflation pressures at about 60 pounds. Never let it get below 40 pounds."
                  If those numbers sound crazy, they're not. Tire pressure is relative to tire volume. Those tires aren't fat by any sense of the word, and need plenty of pressure to keep them from pinch-flatting. My first "good" Muni was a 24" Miyata with a knobby tire, very similar to his. Very lightweight, but also very different to ride on choppy stuff. A wider tire makes everything easier, which is great but also a little sad...
                  Originally posted by Unisphere
                  Steep down hills, hopping and small to medium rock work will cause stock axle failure in 100 to 200 hours. Count on it.
                  Yup. Broke lots of Miyata and Semcycle axles. George didn't do big drops because he was already spending enough on custom axles. Plus those narrow tires were less fun to land on, as well as not being as robust as what we have today.
                  Originally posted by LargeEddie View Post
                  I'm pretty sure he's saying, "Also de rigueur for jumping," though I've heard better French pronunciation.
                  Yup, I concur.

                  Thanks, Unisphere, for transcribing the Rough Terrain Unicycling script. Parts of it are like poetry! It must be read with some mellow background music, such as the soundtrack of the video.

                  Lastly, while we're on the topic, notice George never calls it Muni or Mountain Unicycling. He was never much of a fan as that for a name. Rough Terrain Unicycling is much more accurate for what we do, but just not very catchy. Mountain Biking became popular, in part, because it was called Mountain Biking. The competing name in the early days was ATB (All Terrain Bike), which lost the popularity contest. It conjures images of being outdoors in interesting terrain. People who lived in the Midwest would say that they couldn't really do Muni because they didn't have mountains to ride on. But I think we're past that now, and people get it. Everywhere there's dirt to ride on, you have a chance for some fun Muni riding. Or even on a random pile of rocks or old junk.
                  Last edited by johnfoss; 2017-10-11, 04:23 AM.
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                  • #24
                    John,
                    Thank you for all your comments and feedback. The thread may be old; however, so am I. So, even though I haven't been on the forum for awhile, it's always good to read and research and connect.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    George didn't put the idea of riding rough terrain into my head, I'd been doing that for a while but not like he did. He showed us much more that could be done on unicycles.
                    I never heard of rough terrain unicycling until September of 2016. I was looking for a new unicycle just to ride around and have some fun. Then, I discovered Munis. Ah, I have been living such a sheltered life.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    It's good to be reminded of this, after going to unicycling events where everyone seems to want to ride the trails as fast as possible. Okay, so they were races, but that's not the best way to enjoy a trail. Riding fast is also fun, but you miss a lot when you do it.
                    I love the trails. It gives me peace. Although there are parts that I like to take a little fast, I choose a slower speed just because it's so beautiful.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    I should memorize that one. Though I rarely get asked that question, when I do it's usually by a journalist so it's good to have a great response. People I meet on the trail usually get it already.
                    I always start my response with.."Because it's fun...". Who can argue with that.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    I know that's an old post, but you can also work on idling. It's less useful on rough terrain, but the skills involved are good for all aspects of unicycling, especially at low speeds or in tight spaces.
                    Thanks for the advise. I'm starting to get the feel of idling and although I can hop a little better these days, I still haven't used these skills on the trails. I find whenever I have time to ride, I go straight to the trails and just ride them.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    BTW, why are you called Unisphere? Do you live in the Flushing Meadows area? I have an old picture of me in front of the Unisphere (on a uni) in 1985 or so, which I wish were scanned. So many old film pictures, so little time...
                    I've been living in Queens my whole life and I love it. When I was selecting a forum name, I was playing around with the "uni" names. [Real original-right?] I wanted to attach "uni" to something that somehow described me. Then, my daughter suggested "Unisphere". Besides for being a Queens icon, it supports my belief that we all need to be thinking about 'one world'.
                    Yesterday, my daughter and I went for a 5.5 mile uni ride in Flushing Meadow Park and we circled the Unisphere a few times. The park was great and we had a ball. In March 2017, she started practicing and now riding my 40-year $50 Japanese made Pro-Unicycle. --Hold on to your photos. When we all loose our minds, people can remind us of the good times we had.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    If those numbers sound crazy, they're not. Tire pressure is relative to tire volume. Those tires aren't fat by any sense of the word, and need plenty of pressure to keep them from pinch-flatting.
                    Yesterday, while riding with my daughter, I suggested that we start lowering the pressure in my old uni. She already can feel the difference when ride at the max 40 psi and when it's lower. As long as she's not hitting rim, the actual psi is relative like you described.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    Thanks, Unisphere, for transcribing the Rough Terrain Unicycling script. Parts of it are like poetry! It must be read with some mellow background music, such as the soundtrack of the video.
                    I had a lot of fun doing it and besides, I often hear his quotes in my head as I ride my local 'rough terrain' trails.

                    Originally posted by johnfoss View Post
                    Lastly, while we're on the topic, notice George never calls it Muni or Mountain Unicycling. He was never much of a fan as that for a name.
                    Originally posted by LargeEddie View Post
                    Sorry to take so long to follow up on this, Unisphere. Distractions...
                    I'm pretty sure he's saying, "Also de rigueur for jumping," though I've heard better French pronunciation.
                    Thanks for your response. As you can see, I get distracted, too. I agree with you, and John, that it sounds more French than what I wrote.
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                    Thanks again for your comments and reflections on this true treasure that we all can still enjoy.

                    Be well, because it maximizes the time to enjoy this 'One World'
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                    • #25
                      These quotes from George Peck sum up my interest in unicycling perfectly. Trials and Muni interest me. Long ago when I got into dirt biking, I moved to moto trials as I found it very interesting, challenging, and rewarding to be able to control the vehicle in the most difficult terrain possible.

                      I see the pursuit of speed as only increasing danger and decreasing the enjoyment of the activity. In moto and bike trials you get off your machine to walk the terrain and survey it to make a plan of attack before you ride it. A much better mental workout, physically multi directional plus balance. Gives you a chance to enjoy nature while you are at it.

                      If you really want speed, do it with a crotch rocket, or racing car on a proper paved racing track. To me racing for speed cross country on a mountain bike, nah, I would go for a road bike and pavement. To me there should always be a strong element of Trials and challenging terrian for difficulty, not speed, with mountian biking and mountain unicycling.

                      Just getting the basics on a unicycle has been challenging for me. I see acquiring skill sets that can always be further built upon as fresh challenges. Then there is conquering obstacles and terrain, always fresh challenges. To me you are playing Chess with the skills and the terrain.

                      Much merit to the saying, "Don't go so fast, you will forget to smell the flowers." I would add, to enjoy the view.


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                      • #26
                        Kris Peck has published a restored version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkuh...&feature=share

                        Originally posted by Unisphere View Post
                        George Peck: "...I also knew that Stein Eriksen, the great down hill skier and now coach, advocated unicycling as a cross training activity for his skiers."
                        I've never heard that the norwegian olympic champ Stein Eriksen rode a unicycle. He probably got the idea from Ingemar Stenmark the famous sweedish skier who is the one with the most world cup victories (86) in the world. All the other alpine skiers copied Stenmark and learned to ride a uniycle. Stenmark himself laughed at the whole thing, and said he didn't think that unicycling helped him to become a better skier.

                        Ingemar Stenmark riding a unicycle: https://youtu.be/fHE9XgXNwf0?t=231

                        Stenmark also did high jumps. This clip is from 2011 (he was 55): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbZXprCUXo
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