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  • #16
    After reading this thread, I thought it was a good idea to really find out about how bike seats are designed and how they work exactly.

    I read Sheldon Browns Saddle article and it really cleared up a bunch of things.

    For one, you should probably never be using a bike seat without Handle bars.

    Two, choosing the right saddle is ridiculously crucial, look less at the buzz words and more at width, and the groove in the middle.

    Three, it is all about your sit bones, get your weight onto them and everything is good, have your weight on anything else, and you may as well just ride on a brick, in fact if you cut the right groove in a brick, it will probably be more comfy than a bike seat with the wrong groove for your junk.

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html

    Forgot the article.
    Last edited by ntappin; 2008-12-07, 03:54 AM.

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    • #17
      i'm wondering if a saddle more geared toward comfort bikes would be more along the lines of the needs of a unicyclist. these seats are still more streamlined than a uni seat, however they are designed for bikes with a much more upright seating position. generally they are designed to have most of the rider's weight placed on them at all times (and take it off of the rider's weak legs and wrists in the case if the intended demographic, lol)

      i have a hunch a saddle similar to one of the inexpensive ones made by bell would be closer to our needs. (i find these type of saddles way to soft and squishy for me on a bike, however much less of my weight is on the seat. on a uni it just might be close to what we are looking for.)
      an example:
      http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10400616
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      • #18
        Originally posted by OneWheelLess View Post
        i'm wondering if a saddle more geared toward comfort bikes would be more along the lines of the needs of a unicyclist. these seats are still more streamlined than a uni seat, however they are designed for bikes with a much more upright seating position. generally they are designed to have most of the rider's weight placed on them at all times (and take it off of the rider's weak legs and wrists in the case if the intended demographic, lol)

        i have a hunch a saddle similar to one of the inexpensive ones made by bell would be closer to our needs. (i find these type of saddles way to soft and squishy for me on a bike, however much less of my weight is on the seat. on a uni it just might be close to what we are looking for.)
        an example:
        http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10400616
        Yes, the comfort seat is where I might go next, though I hope my ass never loks like the type of ass that the comfort seats are designed to cradle/envelop/jiggle/wiggle and wallow around . . . can you say junk in the trunk? or how's that Queen song go about Fat Bottom Girls? .. . . . . they make the rockin' world go round, I hear . . . [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOnw1JMw7yA"]YouTube - queen photos-fat bottomed girls[/ame]

        Anyway, on a related topic, another local rider, Z. Boisei, wants to try cutting up the foam on a KH free-ride saddle to make it more bike saddle like.

        His three-part plan, which sounds interesting:
        -Carving/excavating an area for his family jewels
        -Removing foam from the front sides to narrow down the front of the saddle with out cutting into the actual seat base.
        -Its looking like he might also opt to dispose of the front lift handle as it is also pretty wide, designed around the seat contour that he is now changing and it appears to be in evolutionary terms an un-needed . . . "vestigial organ" when you use bigger hendlebars for distance riding.

        Thoughts, pics or anyone actually tried any of these seat mods for distance riding?
        B
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        • #19
          I'm thinking that you might actually be able to use a TT bike seat and a set of aero bars on a 36. It would take a bit of work to get the geometry right for the aero bar position but I think there may be some potential there.

          Check out Doper Landis he used a bit of an odd TT position with high hand position. I think if the rider is even more upright with similar arm position it might work.



          Now TT saddles are not know for being the most comfortable thing in the world is the true drawback of this argument.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by OneWheelLess View Post
            i'm wondering if a saddle more geared toward comfort bikes would be more along the lines of the needs of a unicyclist. these seats are still more streamlined than a uni seat, however they are designed for bikes with a much more upright seating position. generally they are designed to have most of the rider's weight placed on them at all times (and take it off of the rider's weak legs and wrists in the case if the intended demographic, lol)

            i have a hunch a saddle similar to one of the inexpensive ones made by bell would be closer to our needs. (i find these type of saddles way to soft and squishy for me on a bike, however much less of my weight is on the seat. on a uni it just might be close to what we are looking for.)
            an example:
            http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10400616
            So I went to the LBS and picked out three saddles that I can retrun if I don't like. They are all designed for comfort use like this one:
            http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqP...=42060&eid=348

            They all feel pretty squishy and soft, but I'm gonna install a couple of them and try them out this next week to see how my ass likes them.
            B
            Brycer1968,
            Mayhem on one-wheel since 1968

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            • #21
              Quick tip that I wish had been given me about 10 years ago:

              Learned this from Keith Bontrager (not personally, I say this for cred).

              Freaking SLATHER your chamois with vaseline ($4 a tub).

              As he put it, in The Tour, everyone uses a LOT of chamois butter, because the more the better. But average joe's don't do this, cause it's $25 for a modest amount.

              Try it, you'll like it.

              (And if you like "euro-style", throw in a little (unless you're VERY adventurous) Vick's vapor rub, or apply it directly to your skin where you want it, but expect some migration. FWIW, there is a good functional argument to be made about why menthol is good--relating to increased blood flow that is undeniable.)
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              • #22
                Originally posted by brycer1968 View Post
                For the saddle test, I just tried it out by its self on a rail type seat post on my 29er - with no handlebar, just around the block and it so completely and fully failed the comfort test in this state that I didn't even go on to trying to fit it on a proper handlebar set-up.
                B
                That would fail the comfort test in much the same way as riding a bike with no handlebars. If you use a bike seat (whether on a unicycle or bicycle), I think you need handlebars.

                Your bar looks like it's screaming for some support (it's really long)! Perhaps you could do what I did with the T7 and stick shorter poles front and back.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by brycer1968 View Post
                  Those of you with significant, larger handlebars or even aero bars that effectively hold you into the saddle and reduce the need for the forward part of the hour-glass shape of a standard unicycle seat, someone here (I think that Sasquach-Saskatchawanin?) suggested trying out a bike seat. I think this idea will only work well with a significantly forward leaning riding position.

                  B
                  As per my thread on Road Unicycle Set-up, I don't think your position is particularly 'forward leaning' or 'stretched' for a lot of people. I probably ride with my back at the same angle as you, or even lower.

                  Many riders ride in that exact posture, but with short stubby handles on their seat. So their hands are up against their crotch, not supporting anything with elbows locked in flexion.

                  Think about it less as body positioning as it is about hand/arm positioning.
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                  • #24
                    bike seat and idling??

                    Reviving this thread a bit. . . . .
                    I'm riding a modified KH Freeride saddle now It is narrower in the front and a little lower in the front too. The seat is feeling pretty good, but the funny thing is that I haven't been able to idle consistently since I installed this seat. Anyone else using bike seats for distance riding have this same idling problem - or maybe its just me and my slightly abused taint?
                    Brycer1968
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                    • #25
                      Bike seat with a T7?

                      I'm considering getting a bike seat for my 36'er with a T7 installed. Does anyone have any experience with such a set up, whether or not it is comfortable? When riding my 36'er I have at least 1 hand on the handlebar 99% of the time, although I don't usually put too much weight on it. I plan on doing some distance trips this summer, and would like to see if I can find anything that's more comfortable than the KH Freeride saddle.
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                      • #26
                        I have been experimenting a little with bike seats and handles and think that it would be the way to go for long rides on a 36er.

                        If you have not already I would check out this thread. it has lots of good info on the bike seat/handle setup.
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                        • #27
                          I would not recommend the T7, it is not a very good design and of poor quality. Maybe the KH handle that has been announced recently will be a better purchase. But that one only works for KH seats, so no bike seat possible then.

                          If you really want the bike seat (which I recommend) you may get better results by making your own handle bar from bicycle parts such as stems, seat posts, handles and bar ends and seat post clamps.

                          This is my handle bar construction, it works very well:
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by boisei View Post
                            Contrary to all expectations, 109 miles on a conventional unicycle seat did not make my wiener feel good.
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                            • #29
                              There's been a veeeeeeerrry long discussion about this here

                              My personal setup is on page 26

                              There's lots of neat setups in that thread.
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                              • #30
                                Totally forgot about that other thread. I'll probably just buy one and test it out. I guess there's no harm having a spare bike seat laying around. And I'm sticking with the T7 for now since I'm no welder and I don't feel like paying to get anything custom made just yet.
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