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  • #31
    Jen Jen;

    I am with you! If companies want to display their logos, they should offer a discount for that. I don't mind advertising for someone who makes a superior product and has classy logo's, but I take exception with those who place unremovable logos and promotion on their products.

    Nowadays, it seems that every company wants you to advertise for them, and for free.

    With very few exceptions, all logo's and promotions come off my purchased immediately. If they cannot come off I do not buy them! Now make that logo classy and with decent art and I may make an exception to the rule.
    Sit on the seat!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by GILD
      'caveat emptor' is one thing
      accurate/up-to-date catalogue pics are quite another
      I would like to see unicycle.com do a better job with their online catalog pictures. Many of the pictures do NOT match the item descriptions.
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      • #33
        Re: Unicycle.com and their shamless self promotional logos

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        <Checkernuts.1l9qgt@NoEmail.Message.Poster.at.Unicyclist.com>,
        "Checkernuts" <Checkernuts@NoEmail.Message.Poster.at.Unicyclist.com>
        wrote:

        > I for one do not like the idea that they are branding other manufactuers
        > goods. I mean what is next when you buy your KH Unicycle a tag from
        > Unicycle.com as well as Imported by Globex Shipping, Delivered to you by
        > UPS?



        Perhaps we could go the NASCAR route, displaying stickers in exchange
        for price reductions.

        Let's see... we could have Johnson & Johnson Band Aids and Ace bandages,
        Bactine, Bufferin, Gatorade, Powerbar, Vans, Pearl Izumi stickers ...
        ..[warning: bad unicycle joke] i suppose the case could made for Levitra
        sposorship...

        Thus, a nice KH MUni will always cost a lot, but a Coker will be nearly
        free. :-)

        --
        <blink>

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Checkernuts
          The biggest difference I see is that Unicycle.com for the most part is a distributor not a manufactuor
          Are we? I think I should go home then!

          Roger
          (in Taiwan, talking to the manufacturer sorting out the spec for next years unicycles.)
          ++++++++++++++++++
          Roger Davies
          Unicycle.com in the UK
          The UK's Unicycle Source
          www.unicycle.co.uk
          +++++++++++++++++++

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          • #35
            Originally posted by rogeratunicycledotcom
            Roger
            (in Taiwan, talking to the manufacturer sorting out the spec for next years unicycles.)
            A... HA!

            Come to think of it, Torker doesn't make unicycles either. They are a d-i-s-t-r-i-b-u-t-o-r. But they don't do much to promote unicycling or make information more accessible. They do not sponsor riders or events. They do not come to conventions. This is mostly because they are a b-i-c-y-c-l-e distributor. Unicycles are a tiny footnote to their business, as for most bike companies. This is why Unicycle.com, and Bedford, and The Unicycle Factory (who puts stickers on as well) are different.
            John Foss
            www.unicycling.com

            "Who is going to argue with a mom who can ride a unicycle?" -- Forums member "HiMo"

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            • #36
              Originally posted by theuniquecyclist
              ... but I take exception with those who place unremovable logos and promotion on their products.
              Yeah I really hate those tick/jumping cat/three stripes etc. that are part of their products

              Unicycle.com are not just a box shifter.
              Last edited by unicus; 2005-03-02, 05:53 PM.

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              • #37
                Who is or isn't a manufacturer is off the main topic.

                Is there anyone here who when they order their next unicycle from unicycle.com or Bedford is going to specifically request that it come without any stickers on it or that the seat not have embroidered branding? I'd be interested in the outcome.
                Raphael Lasar

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                • #38
                  Re: Unicycle.com and their shamless self promotional logos

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                  <rogeratunicycledotcom.1la1kr@NoEmail.Message.Poster.at.Unicyclist.com >,

                  > (in Taiwan, talking to the manufacturer sorting out the spec for next
                  > years unicycles.)


                  Merci!
                  vous le homme!

                  ..max
                  french-impaired.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by johnfoss
                    I get this all the time. Cars from car dealers. Computers. Most of what I buy in the supermarket (Kroger, or Kirkland, didn't make it!) Every bike I ever bought from a bike shop.

                    But Unicycle.com are not a bike shop. They are one of the few places people can order from a *selection* of unicycles. The main impediment to the growth of unicycling before the "Unicycle.com era" was lack of availability, and lack of choice for buyers. As well as lack of information. Unicycle.com has changed this.
                    John I believe you mis understood me. I was not trying to attack Unicycle.com in the way in which they bring over a large *selection* of unicycles and parts from over seas and domestically. I was however trying to point out that they brand goods in which they had to my knowledge very little input on the creative side of fabrication. Any one can reproduce a manufactured item in a warehouse given the proper tools. This goes to a large part with Cars, Bikes and every other product made. The only limits being placed on copy write infringement and there are very few from what I have seen concerning unicycles.

                    By importing goods they can introduce products that meet their criteria for manufacturing. This is what it sound like to me that Roger is doing currently and I support 100% for them to put their logo where ever they want on these products. This also goes with the Velo seats which are produced in a variety of different specifications to materials used for the covers. There is a difference between a KH seat and a Unicycle.com seat both made by velo if the seat covers differ in appearance, material used or by differences in design aka: the FUSION cover.

                    The other option is seems is that Unicycle.com can order from others who have the give (often the same) producers specifications for making a product of their own. Then these goods are sold to Unicycle.com as final products. Because there is a lack of creative input from unicycle.com I believe that they do not have the right to brand these products under their own name. This is what I was referring to with the Kris Holm Unicycles as well as Torker, Sun, and any other companies in which unicycle.com is the 2nd party.

                    Placing a discrete sticker on these products is one thing


                    But you bought your unicycle from Unicycle.com. They are proud of this, and want the world to know. I *like* having the Unicycle.com stickers on my unicycles. People ask where it came from, and the answer is right there. Nothing too hard to remember; when they get home they can type it into their browser and they're connected.
                    That is great John your proud to show that you bought your products from Unicycle.com, Kroger's or wherever. I must tell you though that that is not universal. I do not mind a discrete sticker on my unicycle saying Unicycle.com if you have problems please call XXX or something similar to what most bike shops place on the butted end of a down tube. I have rarely seen these stickers be larger than 1"x2" and they do provide useful information to novice buyers who may not know where to go for help when something goes wrong. The problem in lies with their gross abuse of sticker policy*. To give to give you an idea the last unicycle my club ordered from unicycle.com featured 4 ~ 1"x6" stickers on the legs. This was in addition to the Torker brands already on there.

                    In their defense I will also note that they do include stickers on virtually every photo that they have in their catalogue however it typically is one and not 4 as well as no mention of the *beautifully* designed badge.

                    Personally John, I feel that your argument represent a minority of cyclists who enjoy having stickers placed all over their stuff by multiple parties and enjoy taking the time to remove them if they do not like it. But like you said if you don't like it go somewhere else
                    and that is just what I did and Bedford Unicycles is more than accomidating.


                    *My comments on sticker abuse only apply to what I have recieved first hand from Unicycle.com USA and I have no ideas if these pratices are done across the board with all
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                    • #40
                      Also lets not forget here that John Foss is a Partner in Unicycle.com so his desier for people to know that he *Likes* the company might be a *little* Jaded.
                      No one said it was gonna be easy and I'm not afraid to try, with the odds stacked up against me I will have to fight, One Life One Wheel got to do it right. H2O


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                      • #41
                        I find you can get the logos and the model name of the back of your automobile using the steam from a kettle, getting the logo off the grill or hood often requires the use of a screwdriver.
                        But the amount of time I spend every day covering up the kellogs logo on my cornflakes the dairy name on the bottle of milk, in fact all the brand names and logo's on the packets of food Walmart are the worst they dont manufacture anything not even plastic bags but insist on putting their name everywhere. These people have no idea the touble they give us branding our world,.
                        Aparently in the Soviet Union they didn't have this problem as there was only 1 brand and it was state owned but that seems a long way to go just for a brand-free existence

                        Jim

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                        • #42
                          Wah, wah, wah. Just peel the stickers off, it's not a big deal. As it so happens we live in America and have a thing called advertising. I would be disappointed if they didn't take advantage of it.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Checkernuts
                            There is a difference between a KH seat and a Unicycle.com seat both made by velo if the seat covers differ in appearance, material used or by differences in design aka: the FUSION cover.
                            Yes, and newer versions of these products, such as the ones with the uni.com logo embroidery, are coming out all the time. It is understandable for some riders to be surprised, and even unhappy, if they didn't expect this. Though I think the coloring of the letters to black probably looks pretty cool, I can sympathise with the buyer if they were not expecting to get this.

                            The other option is seems is that Unicycle.com can order from others who have the give (often the same) producers specifications for making a product of their own. Then these goods are sold to Unicycle.com as final products. Because there is a lack of creative input from unicycle.com I believe that they do not have the right to brand these products under their own name.
                            There is definitely a distinction there. But the "right" to put reseller stickers on the product is surely something that is negotiated, in detail, before a deal is made to resell such products. So thought not everyone may like it, I doubt that Unicycle.com is stepping over any boundaries with the companies whose products they resell.

                            This is basically a question of taste, as some of us like more branding while others of us like as little as possible. Four stickers on a frame does sound excessive. I have also noticed a large amount of Kris Holm signatures on his new unicycles. I think it looks cool, but I'm sure others will consider it overkill. They are on the seat, the post, the frame, and even the rim!

                            I like some forms of branding more than others. For example I have no interest in buying an expensive Champion sweatshirt that says "Champion" on it. That brand means nothing to me. Other people like it and are willing to pay a premium to have the logo on there. I expect my Nike shoes to have a swoosh on them, and will stay away from any shoes that have too many swooshes.

                            Of course I buy those shoes in a store where I can see exactly what I'm getting. So there definitely is cause to complain if your order differens significantly from what you saw on a web site, or what you should reasonably have expected.

                            Also lets not forget here that John Foss is a Partner in Unicycle.com so his desier for people to know that he *Likes* the company might be a *little* Jaded.
                            Full disclosure! Yes, on a topic such as this I should have mentioned it in my own post. Thanks for bringing it up. I am indeed a Unicycle.com partner, though not a mindless booster. Most of what I do for them is in the form of consulting, not only to help them with products and idea, but also to help the world to undestand Unicycle.com. Surely not everybody should be expected to like an excess of stickers. I do, in part, because I'm a Unicycle.com partner, but also because I'm a Unicycle.com fan. I'm proud of what the Drummonds, and their other partners, have accomplished!

                            Objectively, I would expect any reseller in this market to brand what they sell. You can't buy a unicycle from Torker. I don't think you can ordinarily do so from Kris Holm either. You have to go to a dealer. The dealer wants to promote itself. But if you consider the branding to be excessive, do speak up and let the company know!

                            I kind of like the idea of a loose sticker or two (other than or instead of the bumperstickers) in the box. They could end up in good marketing locations as well. I'll pass this on.
                            Last edited by johnfoss; 2005-03-02, 08:34 PM.
                            John Foss
                            www.unicycling.com

                            "Who is going to argue with a mom who can ride a unicycle?" -- Forums member "HiMo"

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                            • #44
                              I am at school and couldent remember my password

                              Brock said: no this is not true my friend has a unicycle.com kh replica without comfy saddle. also I think the colors on the saddle is kinda fruity. but oh well
                              I acutaly said comfy handel, but I really have no idea when they started doing this.

                              Checkernuts: Like some other people said nimbus is unicycle.com's "brand" so they put there logos on it. But when you buy a KH unicycle from them its definitely not going to have the udc seat.

                              Even when I ordered my KH from Darren it came with 4 stickers on it. I left 2 on, but now there’s just one because the one on the seat tube got worn beyond recognition.

                              -Kaycee
                              Last edited by KcTheAcy@School; 2005-03-02, 08:32 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by johnfoss
                                I kind of like the idea of a loose sticker or two (other than or instead of the bumperstickers) in the box. They could end up in good marketing locations as well. I'll pass this on.
                                John, Some of us(be it a small number) buy from uni.com as resellers. If I buy a product for the bike store (we are a dealer for uni.com) with the intent of putting it on the show floor or as a direct sale the uni.com stickers are going to be removed. I feel it'd be a lot easier for the stickers to be in the box rather than already stuck on the product. Not a big deal really.........just my 2 cents.

                                I expect Kris Holm to brand the crap out of his uni, it's his product. I can even understand uni.com putting one small sticker on the frame. But 2+ is excessive as is the current size IMHO. When we sell a bike we put a small 1"x1" sticker on the frame.

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