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    Ok, so I have only been riding for five weeks now but I am totally
    addicted to my uni. I am level one and part way into level two now
    and particularily like riding on mulch, grass, gravel, moderately
    bumpy lumpy surfaces. I currently ride a 24 inch Sem XL and am in the
    process of upgrading my seat to a Miyata so that I can have more of a
    'grab' for my hopping practice.
    So, what I am dreaming about is a muni..... sigh. Maybe premature for
    my skill level though? what do you think?
    Also, I wonder if a 20 inch muni would be a good idea soon - beginner
    type muni, don't really imagine ever getting overly advanced in the
    muni realm (got to admit to myself once in a while that I'm 46 !!! ;-)
    ).
    Any ideas?

    Thanks,
    Erin

  • #2
    Unless you're after a bit of a change I'd not go for a muni with a tyre smaller than 24". I've gone up my local hill on my first 20" and my more recent 24", and the 24" makes it soooo much easier. The 24" has more rolling momentum so will go over lumps and bumps that threw me off the 20".

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    • #3
      Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

      rif raf wrote:
      >
      > Ok, so I have only been riding for five weeks now but I am totally
      > addicted to my uni. I am level one and part way into level two now
      > and particularily like riding on mulch, grass, gravel, moderately
      > bumpy lumpy surfaces. I currently ride a 24 inch Sem XL and am in the
      > process of upgrading my seat to a Miyata so that I can have more of a
      > 'grab' for my hopping practice.
      > So, what I am dreaming about is a muni..... sigh. Maybe premature for
      > my skill level though? what do you think?



      Hi Erin,

      I am very impressed that you're learning to Unicycle at age 46. Before
      I started, I thought perhaps I was too old at age 35. I posted to see
      what other people thought and everyone said go for it, and I'm glad they
      did!

      I went on my first MUni ride this weekend and I'm hooked! I'm thinking
      that in the spring I would like to by a MUni too. I definitely want a
      24" wheel. I think you need it to gain speed over bumpy terrain.

      How's your friend coming along? I haven't seen a post of her progress
      for some time.


      Cheers,

      Jason

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      • #4
        Skill levels and Muni are largely unrelated. I'm not the most experienced Munisto in the world, but I think I'm reasonably good, and do you know, I've never had to ride with my stomach on the seat, or idle one footed, or use more than about 2 or 3 methods of mounting. Nevertheless... before I get jumped on... I admit that learning a few simple 'tricks' has improved my general level of control and confidence when Muniing.

        I'm sure that the skill levels have their place in the broad church of unicycling, and good luck to anyone who takes them, but as for Muni: just get out there and do it.

        Muni is riding a unicycle on terrain deliberately chosen for its challenging nature. For a new rider, that could mean a river bank, an area of broken ground, or a path through the local woods. For an experienced rider, it might mean steep drops, deep mud, rocks and all sorts of stuff. Some people spend hours trying to 'clean' short sections of difficult stuff, others like to ride 20 miles of moderately difficult tracks with occasional diversions when the fancy takes them.

        Did you buy a unicycle because you have this deep urge to conform with society's expectations, to fit in with the herd, and to be judged by the standards of others? Or (as I suspect) did you buy one because you are an individual, not afraid to be different, and you thought it might be fun?

        Put simply: if you want to do Muni, just go out there and do it. You are the only judge and jury. Sentence yourself to some remedial fun.
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        • #5
          Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

          beandawg@direct.ca (rif raf) writes:

          > So, what I am dreaming about is a muni..... sigh. Maybe premature for
          > my skill level though? what do you think?


          I was in the same boat a couple of weeks ago. I learned on a 20" and
          found that my favourite riding was on dirt roads, lumber roads etc, so
          I bought a 26x3" Muni. I haven't regretted it, it is so much fun to
          bounce over obstacles on the big wheel. If you're a smaller person, I
          think a 24" would be better though. The 26x3" takes some effort in steep
          uphills and when turning. But it also rolls over almost anything. So I
          think if you can afford a muni, go for it.

          > Also, I wonder if a 20 inch muni would be a good idea soon - beginner
          > type muni, don't really imagine ever getting overly advanced in the
          > muni realm (got to admit to myself once in a while that I'm 46 !!! ;-)


          Your learning curve indicates that age is not an issue here...

          For learning freestyle type tricks and the skill levels a 20" would
          probably be a good idea. I haven't touched the 20" since I got the
          muni, I just want to ride in the woods. I also plan to learn the basic
          skills on the 26", because I feel it will be my main ride. For general
          muni riding, I'd recommend a 24" or 26".

          It seems that the more experienced muniers use a Coker when the
          terrain is suitable. It would be very interesting to try a Coker on
          some local lumber roads.

          Janne
          --
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          Great Outhouse 8?" +
          "We ate him. He was unspeakably +
          toothsome." +

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          • #6
            Re: Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

            Originally posted by Janne Himanka

            It seems that the more experienced muniers use a Coker when the
            terrain is suitable. It would be very interesting to try a Coker on
            some local lumber roads.
            +
            Depends what you mean by 'experienced' and 'muniers'.

            I have a 24, 26 and a Coker.

            The Coker has an incredibly flimsy wheel, it is difficult to mount in anything but ideal conditions, it is difficult to get going from a mount on an uphill, or on rough ground, and difficult to control on steep descents. On the other hand, it will blast over mud patches and unmade ground which would stall or trip the 26 or 24. I would not use it for anything more serious than forest tracks and riverbanks. No hopping, dropping or funny business of any kind. Others may disagree.

            The 26 has plenty of 'rollover factor' for the sort of obstacles you'll meet on footpaths, bridle paths, forest tracks, field boundaries, and unmade ground. Not as much rollover factor as the Coker, but I do know that if it doesn't roll over, it won't fold up instead. The disadvantage of the 26 is simply that for my preferred crank size, it can be a bit of a struggle up hill and a bit of a handful down hill.

            The 24 (Mine's 'only' a Nimbus with a cheap knobbly tyre) is way way way better uphill, loads more control downhill, much more manoeuvreable, and lighter. It feels under control all the time, whereas on the 26, I sometimes think 'if I make it through this bit here, I'll regain control just there' and on the Coker I sometimes think, 'Let's see how I go... I can always bail out!'

            And if I only had one unicycle? (i.e. which is, in some vague and undefined way, 'best'?) Probably the 24 for its versatility - it's big enough to Muni, but small enough to play on.

            (I also have a 20, and have ridden many miles 'off road' on a 20, in the days when it was called UMX, not Muni, and whilst there is fun to be had, the 20 is way to small and too slow for the sort of riding I enjoy most.)
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            • #7
              I think the uni you have is fine. Just keep upgrading. Get a good rim, good hub, and cranks. I ride Muni with a 2.6 tire and I like it a lot. Try a wheel with a Suzue hub and an Alex rim.
              For me the last thing I'm going to upgrade is the frame and I don't see that happening in the near future.
              Enjoy the ride

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              • #8
                Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

                On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:28:32 +0300, Janne Himanka
                <janne.himanka@spam.com.invalid> wrote:

                >It seems that the more experienced muniers use a Coker when the
                >terrain is suitable. It would be very interesting to try a Coker on
                >some local lumber roads.


                I'm not sure this is true. I think most experienced MUniers prefer 24"
                or 26" wheels. Most Coker heads keep their animals on surfaced roads.
                And then some - but not many - unicyclists are in the overlap area,
                cokering offroad at times.

                Klaas Bil

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                • #9
                  Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

                  On 5 Aug 2002 11:33:27 -0700, beandawg@direct.ca (rif raf) wrote:

                  >Also, I wonder if a 20 inch muni would be a good idea soon - beginner
                  >type muni, don't really imagine ever getting overly advanced in the
                  >muni realm (got to admit to myself once in a while that I'm 46 !!! ;-)


                  I'm 49, I started uni'ing almost two years ago. For me, too, MUni is
                  my favorite branch of unicycling. My UDC Max Traction 24" x 3" is on
                  order. I would not recommend buying a 20" muni. Also, if you can
                  afford it, buy a muni that is at least reasonably durable. It will
                  probably be cheaper in the long run since I'm pretty sure you won't
                  stay at beginner level forever!

                  Klaas Bil

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                  • #10
                    Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

                    Jason, thanks for your updates on your son's progress and congratulations to
                    him for freeriding - what an awesome little kid!!! (sounds like he has one
                    cool Mom, Dad and sister, too ;-) )

                    As for my uni riding pal (thanks for asking about her progress) she is
                    progressing as well. Now she can freeride for 100 metre stretches or so and
                    is on her second day of learning to freemount. Her learning curve is slower
                    than mine and because we started to learn to uni at the same time she feels
                    like she is 'falling behind' when really she is just learning nice and
                    steady and at her own natural rate.

                    I am a little more aggressive when I uni and I think have a slightly better
                    sense of balance than my uni pal but I'm sure that in another few weeks we
                    will be riding through the local woods bike paths together.

                    So you are keen on Muni too? It is so much fun to be off the road and
                    dealing with the little bumps and humps found in grass and along gravel
                    paths, eh? The terrain I ride on isn't really that challenging by 'real'
                    Muni standards I bet but it is Muni for me and I love it!!

                    Keep on one wheeling!

                    Cheers,
                    Erin

                    "Jason Neumann" <nospam@nospam.no.no.no> wrote in message
                    news:3D4ECA8C.48EBC45A@nospam.no.no.no...
                    > rif raf wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Ok, so I have only been riding for five weeks now but I am totally
                    > > addicted to my uni. I am level one and part way into level two now
                    > > and particularily like riding on mulch, grass, gravel, moderately
                    > > bumpy lumpy surfaces. I currently ride a 24 inch Sem XL and am in the
                    > > process of upgrading my seat to a Miyata so that I can have more of a
                    > > 'grab' for my hopping practice.
                    > > So, what I am dreaming about is a muni..... sigh. Maybe premature for
                    > > my skill level though? what do you think?

                    >
                    >
                    > Hi Erin,
                    >
                    > I am very impressed that you're learning to Unicycle at age 46. Before
                    > I started, I thought perhaps I was too old at age 35. I posted to see
                    > what other people thought and everyone said go for it, and I'm glad they
                    > did!
                    >
                    > I went on my first MUni ride this weekend and I'm hooked! I'm thinking
                    > that in the spring I would like to by a MUni too. I definitely want a
                    > 24" wheel. I think you need it to gain speed over bumpy terrain.
                    >
                    > How's your friend coming along? I haven't seen a post of her progress
                    > for some time.
                    >
                    >
                    > Cheers,
                    >
                    > Jason



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                    • #11
                      Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

                      klaasbil_remove_the_spamkiller_@xs4all.nl (Klaas Bil) writes:

                      > On Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:28:32 +0300, Janne Himanka
                      > <janne.himanka@spam.com.invalid> wrote:
                      >
                      >>It seems that the more experienced muniers use a Coker when the
                      >>terrain is suitable. It would be very interesting to try a Coker on
                      >>some local lumber roads.

                      >
                      > I'm not sure this is true. I think most experienced MUniers prefer 24"
                      > or 26" wheels. Most Coker heads keep their animals on surfaced roads.
                      > And then some - but not many - unicyclists are in the overlap area,
                      > cokering offroad at times.


                      I was thinking of the people who race in the Red Bull and similar
                      events. One person who has participated in MTB races in Finland said
                      he prefers a Coker to his 24" because it is faster and rolls over
                      obstacles better. One might argue that this not muni, but this is what
                      I had in mind.

                      Janne
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                      • #12
                        I agree with mike, a nimbus 24" wheel with a 3" tyre is an excellent muni and also for general purpose riding on streets etc.

                        I previously did a lot of off road on a 20", but even with a fat tyre and BMX high grip pedals, it is nothing compared to my Muni in terms of rollover, speed or sheer joy of riding!

                        The nimbus wheel is also pretty cheap and seems well capeable of taking minor abuse.

                        Buying this was one of the best things I've ever done!
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                        But you can make the Bastard work for it."

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                        • #13
                          (got to admit to myself once in a while that I'm XX !!! ;-)

                          just dont do it too often

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                          • #14
                            Re: 'Beginner' muni?!

                            > I'm not sure this is true. I think most experienced MUniers prefer 24"
                            > or 26" wheels. Most Coker heads keep their animals on surfaced roads.


                            What's a surfaced road? Does loose gravel count? Grass? Cokerable
                            terrain is just about anything that does not involve the nasty drops, big
                            rocks and so on that only a muni can handle well. I really struggled with
                            the Red Bull course (mostly because I could not mount the beast after a
                            UPD), but it's a long way from being a nice road. The other riders made
                            it looked pretty easy.


                            Arnold the Aardvark

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