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  • #16
    ...but I did today!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Canoeheadted View Post
      ...but I did today!
      Awesome! We'll see but I'm hoping both tire and muni will arrive by the weekend (both are listed as 2-4 days so should work out but you never know with shipping).

      However the fist few rides probably won't be so spectacular as our weather just changed from 4 weeks below freezing with nice snow to thawing, so my local trails will be a mix of slush, old snow, ice and mud. I'm about to head out for a short ride right now in about 30 minutes on my 26 so I'll see how the trails are (the last month was really great hard-packed snow).

      Which version of the DHR did you order? the 120TPI 3C/MaxxTerra (1110g) or the 60TPI Dual (1160g).

      I ordered the 120tpi. That's the one I wanted and the only one I could find in Europe as it's not officially released here yet: It's not even listed on the Maxxis Europe website but only on the USA website.

      I changed out my seat as I'm not a fan of the Zero (I've got one lying around in the garage).

      And I think some of the posted weights concerning the build-up KH were out of date on the German website, so I think the total weight will be more like 6.3-6.4kg, but still substantially lighter than my 7.2 26-Downhiller.

      I think I'll try mine first with a tube, but will consider setting it up tubeless later (probably ghetto-tubeless with split tube).

      We'll see who gets the first ride in!

      End of the month I will be going to Tenerife (one of the Canary Islands that belong to Spain in the Atlantic off the coast of Africa) so will get to do some warm weather mountain riding! And I'll get to see how the 29 packs up for flying (the 26 is easy as are the 24 and 19")
      36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
      29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
      Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
      26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
      19" Trials Impact Athmos
      20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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      • #18
        I couldn't get the 3" Minion from Municycle.ca so I have my local bike shop sourcing it for me. No news yet.

        I downgraded (upgraded) to a Fusion Freeride as well as I too have a Zero seat just hanging up in the shed.

        Also added a nice shiny new muni handle too.

        We have awesome conditions for riding as well. We have groups of people snowshoeing to pack fat bike trails at our local mountain bike park.
        So you have this perfect 20" wide and level packed snowshoe trail. As long as you stay away from the edges you can fly!

        This is with my 29" Oracle with a 2.5" Minion barely inflated.
        Can't wait for the KH and maybe an early Spring too!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Canoeheadted View Post
          I couldn't get the 3" Minion from Municycle.ca so I have my local bike shop sourcing it for me. No news yet.
          Makes sense. As I said above, this was the ONLY retailer I could find in all of Europe and I was a little worried that maybe it was a misprint or mistake or something...
          And I hadn't heard anything except that delivery would be 5 days, so maybe up till next Tuesday. I was thinking of calling my friend with the disassembled KH29 and asking to borrow his Knard for the weekend, but just got word that the tire was sent to shipping a few hours ago, so should be here by Saturday I think! So still not quite confirmed, but looking good.

          Originally posted by Canoeheadted View Post
          I downgraded (upgraded) to a Fusion Freeride as well as I too have a Zero seat just hanging up in the shed.

          Also added a nice shiny new muni handle too.
          Yeah, I'm putting my Fusion Freeride from my 36er on it and ordered a Nimbus Stadium, which will go on the 36er (it's a little flatter and harder).

          Although I tried one on the road, I'm still not yet a handle convert. Maybe try it again some day, but it made me less comfortable that I would get caught on it on a UPD...

          I did also order a Starfighter, as I've gotten used to mine on my 26er.

          Originally posted by Canoeheadted View Post
          We have awesome conditions for riding as well. We have groups of people snowshoeing to pack fat bike trails at our local mountain bike park.
          So you have this perfect 20" wide and level packed snowshoe trail. As long as you stay away from the edges you can fly!

          This is with my 29" Oracle with a 2.5" Minion barely inflated.
          Can't wait for the KH and maybe an early Spring too!
          Wow, I just looked up where Burns Lake, B.C. is: Holy cow, that's way up past Prince George! I guess you definitely have a winter to use the plus tire on the snow. Having lived in Portland for 3 years quite a while ago, I've been to far southwestern BC a lot. I also spent a week in Whistler summer of 2015 (awesome muni trails both in and out of the bike park). But you're quite a ways further north. Very beautiful I imagine.

          Sounds great with the snowshoe-packed trails! Even in the Alps around here I can't really think of anything like that. Sure, there ae lots of backcountry skiers as well as alpine skiiers in ski areas, but nothing much good for winter biking/unicycling that I've seen. A few years ago I used to mountain bike in the sledding/taboggan courses with heavy-duty spiked tires. That is way fun but pretty much only works at off hours like near dusk or at night with lights, as otherwise there are too many conflicts with sledders...

          Oh, on my ride yesterday (on my 26) the trails were awesome! Although many places were exposed there was no mud but more a ice/snow mix layer on the trail with pools of water on top of the ice. It was slick and I slid sideways a whole lot which was very fun and only wiped out on ice a few times (very challenging so pretty fun). Unfortunately today and tomorrow are +C temps with lots of sunshine, so I think it'll all be water/mud by the weekend.

          Muni should be here within the hour! (tire not yet but can still assemble it)
          36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
          29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
          Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
          26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
          19" Trials Impact Athmos
          20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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          • #20
            KH29 arrived and looks nice. Until the tire gets here the widest 700c I have is a 700c-40 (around 1 5/7" or so) in the Schwalbe Marathon. Looks like it would work on the rim, however the fat muni tube is HUGE and won't work. I found a normal 700c tube but it is way smaller...

            I halfway but up everything and it looks like I'm going to have to cut the 350mm seatpost down. My first measurement was by 10cm! And if I'm measuring correctly then the KH frame doesn't have much seatpost range. I measured 13.5cm total insertion, where the seatpost is marked with "minimum insertion" of 9cm, so that's only 4.5cm. But 4.5cm is less than the adjustment needed just to switch from 150 to 100mm cranks, so doesn't leave room for lowering the saddle for muni (and I'd like to be able to run 165mm cranks too). I remember having this problem with my Nimbus 36 Oracle and I think UDC said that you could exceed the seatpost minimum insertion (but I forgot what the recomended minimum was: I think 2" which would be 6cm).

            Haven't weighed the huge muni tube but it is hefty and feels heavy. I think I will have to look into ghetto-tubeless for the KH rim as I think it would save a significant amount of weight (and of course also be tubeless).

            Well, have to wait till later to continue...
            36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
            29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
            Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
            26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
            19" Trials Impact Athmos
            20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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            • #21
              just got notice that my Maxxis tire will arrive Friday afternoon! So just have to cut the seatpost and I can ride it this weekend!
              36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
              29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
              Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
              26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
              19" Trials Impact Athmos
              20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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              • #22
                6.5kg

                Originally posted by MUCFreerider View Post
                And I think some of the posted weights concerning the build-up KH were out of date on the German website, so I think the total weight will be more like 6.3-6.4kg, but still substantially lighter than my 7.2 26-Downhiller.
                So, cut 6.5cm off the 350mm seatpost and complete it's 6.5kg.

                Originally posted by MUCFreerider View Post
                I think I'll try mine first with a tube, but will consider setting it up tubeless later (probably ghetto-tubeless with split tube).
                Wow, the Maxxis 29x3 tube is massive and weighs 440g! I think converting to tubeless would probably save 300-400g. But I've read conflicting reports about converting the KH rim with cutouts to tubeless. Seems like the ghetto split tube method would work though as with a tube it's also only a tube over the plastic strip with the holes...

                Outside diameter measured to 764mm to the knobs (matches exactly an estimate I had found). So that's 30.08"! Actual rotating circumference probably then a little smaller with some tire deformation, but then right about 30".
                36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
                29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
                Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
                26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
                19" Trials Impact Athmos
                20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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                • #23
                  First test ride around the neighborhood was great! Feels fast both in tire size and low tire weight. Control was good and I could idle and do quick 180 turns plus hopping felt good.

                  As mentioned above I will try and convert to tubeless. I've ordered a 24" tube which is 165g. So even with a bunch of sealant (say 70g) and cutting some tube away should save 440-160-70=210g plus the other advantages of tubeless. However, going to leave the tube in for my trip to Teneriffe as it'll be easier without the sealant.

                  Cut another 1.5cm off the seatpost, so 350mm post shortened 8cm.

                  Wednesday I should get a ride on the trails and really see how it does off-road!
                  36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
                  29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
                  Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
                  26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
                  19" Trials Impact Athmos
                  20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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                  • #24
                    Would be interested to hear you feedback on the Minion DHR. I am looking for a new tire as well. As I ride 27,5 (plus) I can get the Minion 27,5 x 2,8 as DHF or DHR. From my (some time ago) experience on the MTB I was very happy with the Minion DHF, so I would tend towards the DHF. Any reason you went for the DHR for Muni? Or can anyone else compare DHR vs DHF on Muni?

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                    • #25
                      4 hour Muni ride: Minion DHR II was awesome!

                      Originally posted by kunstrasen View Post
                      Would be interested to hear you feedback on the Minion DHR. I am looking for a new tire as well. As I ride 27,5 (plus) I can get the Minion 27,5 x 2,8 as DHF or DHR. From my (some time ago) experience on the MTB I was very happy with the Minion DHF, so I would tend towards the DHF. Any reason you went for the DHR for Muni? Or can anyone else compare DHR vs DHF on Muni?
                      Just went on my first muni ride with the new KH29 and was going to report on the tire anyway.

                      Rode 24km in about 4 hours today on my local XC trails. Most of the snow has melted but there were some snow patches left, but mostly wet and muddy. The Minion has so much grip!! I didn't bring my gauge with me but lowered the pressure down and it rode fine and didn't roll, bottom out or feel funny, but then I actually decided the pressure was lower than what I needed for grip and added some more and was very happy with that pressure for the rest of the ride. Just checked now and I was running 12PSI, so I guess I was probably running about 8PSI before and also did well at that (oh, I weigh about 155lbs/71kg).

                      The grip was incredible and I rode a few steep wet and rooty sections and didn't slip in the slightest. The knobs seem very good at shedding mud as the tire didn't cake up at all (ok, it was not a lot above freezing, mid 40sF or about 3C, so the mud was probably a little less sticky). However, my 5.10 shoes caked up with mud really badly and the tire did not. Actually the only time I slipped was on a section where the trail was under ice and I misjudged where the trail was under the ice and got off the trail onto an angled shoulder section and skidded out sideways in the snow/ice. But that was rider error and the not the tire.

                      I've never really experienced autosteer so don't really know what it's like and my unicycle tire experience is limited to Duro Wildlife Leopard (24&26), my try-all on my trails and the Nightrider on my 36, ok also the 29 Stout on a borrowed 29er muni (something like 2.5" which felt too small, narrow and flimsy for my taste). Compared to the Duro the tire was very fast and nimble. It was incredible on the climbs and with the same crank length (150mm) with ease I made every single climb that I usually have to work harder to make on the 26 Duro but with more assurance and felt faster.

                      Not sure if it was autosteer or just that the tire is less "heavy solid straight ahead" like the Duro but I did feel that it did *not* have the go-straight-ahead feeling like the Duro. While this was different and requires mote effort, I didn't find this negative, merely that I had to concentrate on whether to go straight or turn and for me matches with the fast, nimble maneuverability of the Minion.

                      I didn't get to do any big drops but on many many small ones felt very stable. I guess the biggest was about 2ft/60cm and landed solidly, didn't bounce me off and didn't bottom-out to the rim. Hopping over things was of course noticeable easier with the lower weight of the tie and muni. Riding over stuff was also easier with the larger diameter.

                      Why did I pick the Minion DHR II? Because I wanted a tall large-volume plus tire that does well in wet and mud (so the Knard was out as I heard it's not so good in mud/wet), and I had heard not so stellar reports about the Surly Dirt Wizzard for muni (although the mtb reports all seem good), and the Minion is both slightly taller and wider although the DW is about 20g lighter.

                      With today's ride I am more than satisfied! For me the tire rolls really really fast, especially considering the big aggressive knobs (granted my comparison is to the Duro which weighs 1650g!). But I didn't feel like I was losing anything in grip compared to the Duro. On the contrary, because of the large volume I think the Minion handles the low pressure better than the Duro. I did feel some bounce at times but it didn't seem bad and I think I can get used to it. I think it's obvious that a tire that's almost a third lighter in weight while being taller has do ride differently.

                      I can't compare the DHR II to the DFR but looking at the treads and reading all the mtb forum posts, the DFR really seems to excel in high-speed cornering. I don't think this aspect is very relevant for unicycling as we don't have such high speeds (>20kmh is rare) and the cornering forces are different. The times when I don't have enough grip on the muni are usually braking down something steep or when climbing (slow speed). Although the DFR is supposed to be taller and wider as well as heavier. For me the DRH II with it's strengths more for strong braking seemed the best muni tire to me.

                      At 1110g (weighed mine inaccurately on a bathroom scale as 1.2kg) and huge volume as well as aggressive knobs but also strong enough casing to run low pressure, the DHR II seems like the best of both the grip of a tire like the Duro (actually felt stickier as I think the rubber is softer than the Duro) while being faster, lighter and more maneuverable.
                      36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
                      29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
                      Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
                      26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
                      19" Trials Impact Athmos
                      20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MUCFreerider View Post
                        I've never really experienced autosteer so don't really know what it's like

                        Not sure if it was autosteer or just that the tire is less "heavy solid straight ahead" like the Duro but I did feel that it did *not* have the go-straight-ahead feeling like the Duro. While this was different and requires mote effort, I didn't find this negative, merely that I had to concentrate on whether to go straight or turn and for me matches with the fast, nimble maneuverability of the Minion.
                        I'm glad you're happy with your new uni! It's always a great feeling to get a brand new unicycle.

                        Based on my experience with autosteer, you would know if a tire had autosteer problems. Maybe others will disagree (I'm pretty light on a heavy MUni, but I also love my Oregon). I also find the autosteer to be really fun because I have to rely more on technical ability than line choice.
                        Learn something new every day -
                        It's just that I needed what I learned today, yesterday.

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                        • #27
                          Thanks for the review, especially on the tire. Looks like my next tire will be a DHR iI as well.

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                          • #28
                            Finally received my KH29!!!

                            Was supposed to have a 3" Knard as stock but instead came with a 3 1/4" Duro Crux.
                            Took it out for a 3km spin on the local fat bike trail and it performed awesome.
                            Took several tweakings for the handlebar setup but I think I have it now.

                            I had one of my hardest rides last night on my 29 Oracle because of the fresh 2" powder on the hardpack trail. Very slick with any torque whatsoever on my 2.5 Minion.
                            Tonight with the 3.25 Duro the extra grip was noticable. I was running at 19-20psi. I had to be careful with my speed as I've got some extra bounce to deal with now.

                            With the 2" increase in diameter compared to my 29" Oracle this 29KH comes in at 31" diameter. I was amazed how it felt identical to the 29"

                            I still don't have the 3" Minion yet but with the performance of this tire in the snow I may just keep this as a winter tire and put the Minion on when the dirt's showing again.

                            Anyways, Whoo Hoo!!!

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                            • #29
                              So just a short update after a few more rides...

                              I'm really liking both the 29Plus size and the Minion DHR II Tire.

                              I've done one really good XC ride and the 29Plus was pretty much everything I was expecting: faster than the 26, climbs like a goat and really fun! The rolling resistance of the plus tire is really incedible! In short, the tire performs almost as well as the Duro for traction/cushion while being significantly lighter AND having much lower rolling resistance. I think the biggest adjustment is getting used to the very different feeling when doing hops and drops as the large volume tire with softer sidewalls reacts way different then the Duro with much stiffer sidewalls. I think in the end the capabilities are similar, but the feeling is way different. The Duro also dampens the landing much more quickly whereas the Plus tire has a lot more squish and bounce. I'm still getting used to it, but I'm thinking it's not better or worse just different and requires a different riding technique.

                              I just got back from a week trip to Tenerife (Canary Islands) and did 2 downhill rides on the 29 on steep rocky technical volcanic rock terrain and really liked it. As expected, on really steep and technical sections it requires way more skill and *courage* than a smaller 26 or 24 wheel size, but I was surpised that I was able to ride a lot of steep rocky switchback sections: I did one descent from the volcano plateau (2400m vertical!!) and it was awesome - I had to walk a lot of the higher elevation trails but not because they were too technical/steep but because the trails were too frequently used and the trail too narrow, hard to find (lost the trail at least 20 times) or overgrown (I crashed at least 10 times when catching my face/neck/shoulder on an overhanging tree branch). So I think there were only 2 or 3 sections (out of over a 100) that I couldn't ride that I would have been able to ride on the 26.

                              Oh, bought an accurate pressure guage and been riding the tire between 11.5 and 12.5 psi for downhill (0.75 to 0.8 bar I think). Still planning to convert to tubeless even though I don't think I need it for pinch flat protection (I rode lots of sharp rocks and no rim contacts), and at 11.5 PSI the pressure is almost too low for drops as the sidewalls squish and it's kind of hard to control. But should still give weight savings and reduce rolling resistance.

                              So really loving the KH29 Plus!
                              Last edited by MUCFreerider; 2017-02-28, 10:12 PM.
                              36" Nimbus Oracle, VCX 100/125/150, 200mm disc
                              29+ KH, Maxxis DHR II 29x3, 127/150 Spirits
                              Schlumpf (KH29) Duro Crux 29x3.25 137/117 Spirits
                              26" Nimbus, Maxxis DHR IIx2.8, 117/137 Sprt
                              19" Trials Impact Athmos
                              20" Qu-Ax Profi Freestyle, 89mm VCX

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                              • #30
                                If anyone's interested, I Posted a quick review of the Maxxis Minion DHR II 29x3.0 tire for sand riding with a Nimbus Oracle here:

                                http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/sho...=85894&page=27

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